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| Tweet Topic Started: Sun Dec 1, 2013 4:27 pm (823 Views) | |
| CaptainJaneway | Sun Dec 1, 2013 4:27 pm Post #1 |
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Seems everyone is offended now a days. Also, no one has a sense of humor any more. The pronouncements are become so rampant I felt there was enough to make a thread about it. First up is the K Mart Christmas ad. They probably garnered their death sentence by using the word Christmas because as you know, Christmas is offensive to some so now no one is supposed to refer to it. Happy Holidays is the term the PC Police insist on. Merry Christmas!So K Mart makes this Christmas ad promoting their Joe Boxer line. I have linked the ad below. There used to be a time when you could see something like this smile, and laugh at the humor. Then you could explain it in whatever terms were appropriate to your children. However those days are past. Some will no doubt find jingle balls inappropriate and that is to be expected as not everyone has the same tastes. But should everyone have to abide by the feelings of some? That's the world we are now living in. The "I don't like it and don't want to see it so no one should" mentality is everywhere. Things like manners and parental discretion have been replaced by political correctness. No wonder there is more segregation and racial tension building up. So many things are being taken away and then the justification is that it offended -----<- fill in the blank. Whereas many of different backgrounds used to cross mingle everyone is keeping to themselves in fear of offending anyone. |
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| CaptainJaneway | Sun Dec 1, 2013 4:34 pm Post #2 |
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Then we have Katy Perry's AMA performance. It was deemed culturally insensitive by the PC Police. Her crime? Mixing Chinese and Japanese elements. you would swear she walked out there in black faceSo if she is insensitive, does that make her critics of Asian descent intolerant? Or does that term only apply to white, male, heterosexual, Christians? Cause they get called that a lot. Here is her offensive performance |
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| AWOLangel | Sun Dec 1, 2013 5:19 pm Post #3 |
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i don't get the stink over the katy perry thing. she wasn't doing bad impressions or mocking in anyway. did you ever see the old comedy movies from the 1950s, where someone pretends to be chinese or japanese they squint, have thick glasses & buck teeth? that's offensive, not what she did. IMHO. also if you want to wear the native outfits, or listen to the music or have art from some country some consider it cultural appropriation & get their shorts in a bunch over it. |
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| Alisium | Sun Dec 1, 2013 10:19 pm Post #4 |
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Read, The Giver. Totally where we're heading. The "I'm offended" crowd, are the same people who acted out as kids because they want attention. Then you have the vapid-pelosi-ites that don't have an opinion of their own, so the graft on to whatever political band-wagon they find an learn what's their supposed to be offended by and become gluten intolerant vegans. (BTW... has anyone ever heard of a vegan diet for dogs and cats?) |
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| wissaboo | Sun Dec 1, 2013 10:47 pm Post #5 |
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Sorry, the whole everyone has to say Merry Christmas thing just drives me insane. It's not one holiday it's many all around the same time and pretty much for the same reason and it always has been. People where saying season's greetings when I was a child. FYI that was a long time ago. Whenever I hear someone complain about how store clerks don't say merry christmas to them this is what I hear. " whine whine I'm so insecure in my belief system that random strangers in stores and every single tv ad must specifically say merry christmas to me or else I am being discriminated against whine whine whine" |
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| wissaboo | Sun Dec 1, 2013 11:16 pm Post #6 |
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I saw a male stripper once who tied a bell to it and danced to Ring my Bell. Not the greatest memory.
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| Alisium | Sun Dec 1, 2013 11:21 pm Post #7 |
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That works if an only if you have Kwanzaa, Hanukkah, Winter Solstice and Christmas decorations all together up... or you have no decorations at all. But, if your store showcases Christmas decorations only, and goes out of its way not to offend anyone by not saying Christmas is very much on the huge side of asinine. Especially when you're relying on the traditions of one holiday in particular to generate massive amounts of sales for you. So what you're really doing is saying to everyone, we're not excluding you, we're just not going to acknowledge the one holiday that we're exploiting to make money. Which, yes, is kind of insulting, if it's your holiday. I don't care if it's Christmas, Kwanzaa, Ramadan or Veterans / Remembrance Day. That holiday means something to someone in to treat it in such a fashion is just classless. There's also the tail wagging the dog issue. No, I am not so insecure in my traditions that "I need everyone to acknowledge them" (very simplistic argument), it just that they're acting like an ass and that's stupid, annoying and yes, insulting. One could turn that very argument on its head and reply, "Are you so insecure in your beliefs that you need me not to acknowledge mine?" I'm fine with "happy holidays" and "Seasons Greetings". I'm also fine if someone came up to me and gave me a Winter Solstice blessing or a "Happy Hanukkah." The point is to be more inclusive, not less inclusive. After asinine and hypocritical it becomes bland, generic and boring. "Multiculturalism" has transformed into "monoculturism" of the worst kind. |
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| VioletCloud | Sun Dec 1, 2013 11:32 pm Post #8 |
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I think the whole "happy holidays" thing is getting crazy too.... To me.. if someone says that.. they are covering the entire season... from Thanksgiving to New Years.. and everything in between. Whats wrong with that?? nothing. However.. I work in a call center. They put out "verbiage" if someone says "happy thanksgiving" we aren't allowed to say that back to them.. we have to say.. " enjoy your holiday as well" or something like that. seriously? If they said it to me first.. how am I going to offend them? I can see how I might be startled.. if someone was like.. Have a great Ramadan... but I wouldnt be a bitch about it.... Id be like.. oh yeah.. you to man! and go about my day. People have said Happy Hanukkah to me... I didnt freak out. We are supposed to except diversity.. but stamp it out at the same time.. I dont get it |
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| stigmata | Mon Dec 2, 2013 3:18 am Post #9 |
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Yeah I don't think that's the reason... |
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| spocklet | Mon Dec 2, 2013 4:59 am Post #10 |
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There's always somebody who'll get their knickers in a twist over it, but that's cos they're the kind of person who likes to complain, about whatever !! Madam is of Jewish descent, though we're both Buddhist. But if someone wishes her a happy Hannuka, she'll smile and wish them it back, and what's wrong with that ?? We wish and get wished a Merry Christmas, happy holidays etc etc. It's just polite, no need to mobilise the troops !!! |
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| jespah | Mon Dec 2, 2013 7:55 am Post #11 |
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NOTE: Rant commencing in 3...2...1..... I'm a Chanukah gal (although - ewps - we still haven't lit candles yet this year). {insert ethnically-appropriate face palm here} I like Happy Holidays as it covers a wide range and also kinda implies the British meaning of 'holiday' as being a day off. And who isn't happy about a day off? I've seen, already, 'put the Christ back in Christmas' rants, at the same time by people screaming to only say 'Merry Christmas' and who also have huge likes on their FB streams for deals at Target, etc. No. I'm sorry, folks, but you don't get to have it both ways. If you want to rail against the overcommercialization of your holiday, have at it, but don't go around assuming that everyone wants to hear 'Merry Christmas'. Because, you see, if you want to reserve Christmas for your belief system, you need to get off your high horse and read a little of the US census (I don't think this happens in other countries as often as it does here; please feel free to correct me if I'm wrong) and you'll realize that not everyone believes in Christ. So if you want to reserve the holiday for Christ, you need to stop with the universalizing bullshit. Not everyone is a Christian. And you also need to stopping feeding the overcommercialism. Personally, I hate it, and it's not just because it's not my holiday. I hate it because it trivializes everything in the name of the almighty buck. I don't need to see A Very Special Miley Cyrus Twerkadelic Christmas or whatever kind of pap you're going to try to shove down our collective throats this year. And I don't need to hear Christmas music before Thanksgiving, either. I am not saying that you can't give gifts or enjoy The Grinch or whatever, but this is fed by consumerism. Folks who bitch about the holiday losing its meaning should stop stripping it of its meaning by staying away from the garbage specials and not giving them ratings, not buying A Gagnam Style Christmas album and also not pretending that the holiday is universal. It's not. Get over yourselves. Not everyone is Christian, or wants to be. Open your eyes and see that the world is not just one big ball of homogeneity. Rant over. |
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| wissaboo | Mon Dec 2, 2013 8:07 am Post #12 |
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I'm afraid I really don't know what your point is now. That they decorate their stores? that they say happy holidays and decorate their stores? what is it exactly that they should do that wouldn't offend you? |
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| Mojochi | Mon Dec 2, 2013 4:30 pm Post #13 |
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I think in general, a sane person should have no problem with saying or hearing someone say Happy Holidays. For fuck sake, I say it all the time, whenever there's a holiday... any holiday. It's a NICE thing to say to someone. "Have a happy holiday" See how nice that is? If someone can hear that & twist it into some subversive plot, when all they should think is "Gee they wished me happiness on the holiday. How nice of them" then they have issues going on that got nothing to do with me & I couldn't care in the least . If my being polite to you causes offense to you, you got your knickers in a twist & your head screwed on wrong, & you should get yourself sorted However, I can see the point of having some issue with a business which has a policy of evading the mention of Christmas, when in fact they profit on the gift giving of Christmas as a commercial tactic, but even then the commercial world has always been a bunch of mealy mouthed weasels & this really is no worse an offense than the weasels renaming French Fries "Freedom Fries" because the idiot political social band wagon is pissed at the French that week. It's commercialism that you're really pissed at, & what you should really be taking issue with, not the business that makes people say "Seasons Greetings". Take the commercialism out of it then. Don't GO to stores & shop the big Christmas shopping game. Frankly, that isn't even what your damn holiday is about anyway. Go to church & pray to your god for having been born, but don't take it out on all of us because you yourselves, years & years ago, decided to "Jazz" up your holiday by making it a commercial tool, with trees & Santa & tinsel & lights & crap All of it is bullshit that has nothing to do with your actual holiday. So adding another morsel of bullshit to the heaping pile of bullshit & then whining that this particular morsel of bullshit is offensive... is bullshit. Is it really any worse than what they did to Easter? The President has kids picking eggs off the White House lawn... WTF? Get some perspective & Lighten up, because I, as an atheist, only care about Christmas in that it's supposed to be a celebration of peace & brotherhood, which is truly an important necessity for humanity, & this crap ruins that for us. The End
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| wissaboo | Mon Dec 2, 2013 6:52 pm Post #14 |
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| Alisium | Mon Dec 2, 2013 8:17 pm Post #15 |
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What bother's me is any entity that pushes a holiday in order to make a buck, then refuses to even identify said holiday by name because it may "offend" someone. It also bothers me that there are people out there who do everything they can to white-wash culture and push some kind of universal unitarian utopia on all of us. I would never open a store in Vancouver, push the Hindu holy-day of Ganesh Chaturthi, have a prominent statue of Lord Ganesha and call it a "holiday person". Because that would make me a fucking asshole. When you put this in your store: ![]() And tell everyone to call it a "Holiday Tree", you are a low-brow, nit-witted, unimaginative fucking asshole. It's too easy and inaccurate to blame it on mere greedy commercialization. It goes far beyond the department store doors, and the message people like me get is, "Hey asshole, your culture is worthless and offensive." If it's not okay to do this to some, why is it okay to do this to anyone? Why not a little consistency? The tail wagging the dog bullshit is just that, a stinking pile of bullshit. When 96% of a population celebrates a holiday and when only 76% of that same population is even nominally "Christian", it illustrates that holiday as a cultural phenomenon rather than just simply religious. The best way forward, is for all of us to get a chance to share our backgrounds, beliefs and cultures with each-other. Not constantly fret about who's offending whom. |
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| AWOLangel | Mon Dec 2, 2013 9:04 pm Post #16 |
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All that I am, or hope to be, I owe to my angel mother.--Abraham Lincoln | |
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| CaptainJaneway | Mon Dec 2, 2013 9:32 pm Post #17 |
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you make it sound like you were conceived during the Victorian era
...and this is what I hear: " whine whine I'm so insecure in my belief system that random strangers in stores and every single tv ad must specifically say happy holidays to me or else I am being discriminated against whine whine whine" you and I are making the same point, we are just coming at it from opposite ends |
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| CaptainJaneway | Mon Dec 2, 2013 9:51 pm Post #18 |
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Next time someone says that to you inform them that we are a multicultural nation and that they are being culturally insensitive and should say happy holdays instead. Then you will see a freak out. BTW I was making a smug point there Violet. Point being that kind of criticism usually goes only one way as per the PC Police. And I know you wouldn't say anything like that as you are a nice considerate person. I wouldn't say that either. I wish my Jewish friends a happy Hanukkah. They wish me a merry Christmas. We do so because we know that's what each of us believes in. We respect and are supportive of each others feelings and we do not feel the urge to try and correct or change such feelings. I say happy holidays to someone I don't know. I say that out of respect as I don't know their belief structure. I have no problem with people saying happy holidays. I do get annoyed when someone is wished a merry Christmas and the person they are speaking to looks back at them like they just called their mother a douche bag cock sucking whore. Everyone is quick to get offended. Then ramble on and on about it. To few people sit back and think to themselves that person just wished me well, it wasn't articulated the way I would have chosen myself but nonetheless the sentiment was there. |
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| CaptainJaneway | Mon Dec 2, 2013 10:11 pm Post #19 |
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I think your right, it does not happen elsewhere as much as it does in the US. Most other countries have established beliefs and traditions that are time honored and are considered part of that cultures identiy. That is getting less and less here in the United States. As we become more of a melting pot of peoples of the world what was once know as the America identity is dissolving. While parts of that culture needed to be abolished I find it a shame that the other remaining elements are fading away. Christmas has been traditionally celebrated by Americans for generations. It still is a federally recognized holiday. Folks getting their undies in a bunch over Christmas being promoted in America makes about as much sense to me as folks in Israel getting equally tiffed about the celebration and promotion of Hanukah over there. When in Rome do as the Romans. And if your not a Roman, don't be annoyed when the Romans do what the Romans do. |
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| AWOLangel | Mon Dec 2, 2013 10:17 pm Post #20 |
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All that I am, or hope to be, I owe to my angel mother.--Abraham Lincoln | |
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Merry Christmas!




you would swear she walked out there in black face












Get some perspective & Lighten up, because I, as an atheist, only care about Christmas in that it's supposed to be a celebration of peace & brotherhood, which is truly an important necessity for humanity, & this crap ruins that for us. The End

you make it sound like you were conceived during the Victorian era

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