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Kes; ....
Topic Started: Tue Feb 15, 2011 12:26 pm (1,876 Views)
Ltpondwater9
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In the history of Kes topics, they get pretty inflammatory. However, we're all civil here, so we can talk about it. :awol:

I neither like or dislike the character. I though that she was a bit Mary sue-ish though.

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CaptDennyCrane
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To quote Vizzini from Princess Bride....

"....Friendless, brainless, helpless, hopeless! Do you want me to send you back to where you were? Unemployed???...."

Add worthless and useless into the mix
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CaptDennyCrane
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Play this first then read below


[[ Voyager deflector dish thumping like a Marshall stack ]]
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[[ Run Delta-Q comes strutting off the ship ]]
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[[ Neelix on Drums with TALL spike hairdo, Tom on Rhythm wearing chaps ]]
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[[ Harry on Lead with opening riff ]]
[[ Janeway, B'Elanna and Seven all Pole-Dancing ]]

[[ Doctor on lead vocals ]]
With a prosthetic earpiece and a terrible sound,
she screams the higher harmonic shields down.


[[ B'Elanna Pole-slide ]]
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Helpless crewmen in Jeffries Tubes
Scream MY GOD! as she sets fire to them.


[[ 7/9 Spinning leg, pole-helicopter ]]

She melts up your brain and throws you all around,
as she walks through the hallways and blows them all down.


[[ Janeway Floor-crawl towards camera with pyrotechnics going off behind her ]]

Oh no, they say she's got to go,
Get out Ocampa! wooo-ooo-oooooo.
Oh no, there goes Tuvok's 'fro,
Get out Ocampa! wooo-ooo-oooooo.


[[ Harry Riff in the Holodeck ]]

Oh no, you're not helping the show,
Get out Ocampa! wooo-ooo-oooooo.
Oh no, renew your contract? NO!
Get out Ocampa! wooo-ooo-oooooo.


[[ Tuvok Bass Riff in the multi-colored warp core ]]

[[ Chuckles DJ'ing, in the messhall with headphones and mixing table ]]
O-campa!O - campa,O - campa,O - Fury
O-campa!O - campa,O - campa,O - Fury
O-campa!O - campa,O - campa,O - Fury
O-campa!O - Fury,O - campa,O-CAMPA!

[[ Doctor voice mix ]]
She only lives to be 7 years old!
She only lives to be 7 years old!
Caretaker pulled Voyager into the Delta Quadrant!
Neelix and Kes became glorified stowaways!
Neelix and Kes became glorified stowaways!


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Oh no, you're useless so you go,
Get lost Ocampa! wooo-ooo-oooooo.
Oh no, there goes the cargo hold,
Get lost Ocampa! wooo-ooo-oooooo.


[[ All separate sections coming together and crew all doing their thing ]]

Tom Paris shows again and again...
Anyone can nurse like Jenni Li-enn......
Ocampa!

Neelix shows us again and again...
He don't really need Jennifer Li-enn......
Ocampa!

Fury shows us again and again...
How chuncky, became Jennifer Li-enn......
Ocampa!

History shows again and again...
How uneeded was Jennifer Li-enn......

Ocampa!
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wissaboo
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wow denny. Multi media.


I think joy was right. Having her play out her life cycle would have been far more interesting than what they did with her.
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that's probably why they gave us the episode before and after
(that showed a possible future for kes) that was the 21st episode of
season 3 & she left in the second episode of season 4
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VioletCloud
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I didnt mind kes at all.
the wig was a bit odd...

I was far more annoyed by neelix .. but I still like him too.

I will never understand the hate that people seem to have for her...

I too would have liked to see her live out her life.... many main characters have died.. they should have let her die too. It was a story line they were building too for years... but never properly finished.
She should have had a baby... a fast growing baby.. and then grew old and passed. Then we could have followed her child... who.. within a small amount of time.. would have been able to replace her character.
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magentastorm
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I don't hate Kes as much as many seem to, but she's certainly crap compared to Seven.

I think she probably wouldn't be so unpopular if she hadn't been replaced by a much better character.
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Alisium
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I loved Kes. Hate Neelix and just about everyone else. Kes is love.
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Alisium
Tue Feb 15, 2011 10:52 pm
I loved Kes. Hate Neelix and just about everyone else. Kes is love.
Hey, it works for me too, bro. :wub:
R.I.P. Gummy, we'll miss you bro
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VioletCloud
Tue Feb 15, 2011 5:10 pm
I didnt mind kes at all.
the wig was a bit odd...

I was far more annoyed by neelix .. but I still like him too.

I will never understand the hate that people seem to have for her...

I too would have liked to see her live out her life.... many main characters have died.. they should have let her die too. It was a story line they were building too for years... but never properly finished.
She should have had a baby... a fast growing baby.. and then grew old and passed. Then we could have followed her child... who.. within a small amount of time.. would have been able to replace her character.
We actually did see her entire life, including (I believe) having a baby. The ep (can't remember title, sorry) where her life was running backwards. And tbh I thought she looked better after that ep (hair, etc) than she did before, less like a child and more like a woman.

The writers/producers ran out of story ideas for her, and wanted to bring in a sexier character to keep adolescent kids interested in the show. I agree that they never really gave her a chance.
R.I.P. Gummy, we'll miss you bro
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K#s....CRUSH! KILL! DESTROY!
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spocklet
Wed Feb 16, 2011 5:48 am
VioletCloud
Tue Feb 15, 2011 5:10 pm
I didnt mind kes at all.
the wig was a bit odd...

I was far more annoyed by neelix .. but I still like him too.

I will never understand the hate that people seem to have for her...

I too would have liked to see her live out her life.... many main characters have died.. they should have let her die too. It was a story line they were building too for years... but never properly finished.
She should have had a baby... a fast growing baby.. and then grew old and passed. Then we could have followed her child... who.. within a small amount of time.. would have been able to replace her character.
We actually did see her entire life, including (I believe) having a baby. The ep (can't remember title, sorry) where her life was running backwards. And tbh I thought she looked better after that ep (hair, etc) than she did before, less like a child and more like a woman.

The writers/producers ran out of story ideas for her, and wanted to bring in a sexier character to keep adolescent kids interested in the show. I agree that they never really gave her a chance.
Year of Hell.


that should have been an entire season. Not just one 2hr episode.

yeah.. I know why they had 7of 9... I liked her more.. she was a better charcter.

It wouldnt have changed anything... instead of flying away from the ship.. kes would have passed.. seven would have became the main character.
and any children Kes had.. would become secondary characters to be seen every now and then.

but yeah... seven was much better
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CaptDennyCrane
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Seven was FAR superior in just about every way by comparison.

And even though I enjoyed it, and while TECHNICALLY it would have made sense, I doubt that Year of Hell could have literally carried an entire season - yes it seem rushed in some parts, and there were aspects of it that I would have liked to have been touched on and expanded in more detail, but to take that idea across an entire season.....for them to still be on their original challenge of getting home from the DQ....AND....for it to simply nullify the entire year at the ending like they did......

....By the end of the season to have that happen would just have been the SINGLE MOST HUGEST :wtf: and fan-piss-off, that I think it would have hurt VOY more than helped it.
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also.... no reset at the end. Forgot that part.
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Live long and prosper.....!!

I was gonna go into a lengthy post about time, but I can already hear snoring from the back so I won't bother.
R.I.P. Gummy, we'll miss you bro
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spocklet
Wed Feb 16, 2011 5:48 am
VioletCloud
Tue Feb 15, 2011 5:10 pm
I didnt mind kes at all.
the wig was a bit odd...

I was far more annoyed by neelix .. but I still like him too.

I will never understand the hate that people seem to have for her...

I too would have liked to see her live out her life.... many main characters have died.. they should have let her die too. It was a story line they were building too for years... but never properly finished.
She should have had a baby... a fast growing baby.. and then grew old and passed. Then we could have followed her child... who.. within a small amount of time.. would have been able to replace her character.
We actually did see her entire life, including (I believe) having a baby. The ep (can't remember title, sorry) where her life was running backwards. And tbh I thought she looked better after that ep (hair, etc) than she did before, less like a child and more like a woman.

before and after, like i said somewhere above
All that I am, or hope to be, I owe to my angel mother.--Abraham Lincoln
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Lus
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Sherlock... I mean... KHANNNNNNN

Mum wanted to do a Voyager rewatch since Sky Atlantic are showing the from the beginning. We've got the "Phage" on now but the episode before we basically spent most of the time talking about how much Kes annoys us.

Mum thinks she pulls some funny faces when she cries & that she's a bad actress.

We are both Seven fans, so were glad when Kes went & Seven came.
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I had heard that they were going to kill off Kim. They knew they wanted a new character and had come up with the basic outline for 7. Garret Wang was not well respected by others in the cast. He was late often, always bringing some new piece of ass to the set to show off and basically had a big head.

Kate still jabs him at conventions, often mentioning that "you couldn't pull him away from the roulette table". I think he did eventually grow up and his peers became fond of him, but you can still tell they don't remember his time there as professional. There was some public squabbling when he asked to direct a show and was told no. This was after McNeil and Dawson had directed. It was pointed out they came in on their own time to learn, including time with editing, music and other departments. He was barely able to show up on time for his lines.

You can tell by Scorpion part 1 he was toast and they had a way to kill him off. 7 would have took his place at ops on the bridge. Then People magazine had him as part of their 50 most beautiful issue. Now the studio panicked and decided to keep him and ride the free publicity wave.

Instead of adding another character to help with ratings, such as they did with Worf on DS9, they replaced a character on Voyager. With Kim off the table im sure the choices came down to Neelix or Kes. Cant imagine any of the other regulars on the chopping block.

Not sure what they would have done with Kes should she stayed, but cant stay they fully utilized Neelix over the remaining seasons. His character and story lines added to the less serious tone this series had as opposed to the rest. I felt he was envisioned as their version of Guinan. Where as she was old and wise, he was the crusty rouge. Both were sources of information and solace to the captain and crew. Guinan worked, Neelix didn't. She offered perspective, he pointed out the obvious and served hors'dervores on the bridge. Though I will admit his departure was defiantly emotional.

Also, had Kes stayed, the show would have had the most proportion of female cast members of any trek. TNG started out with 3, but then Crosby left (and has been trying to work her way back in ever since). As it began and ended up, it still had the most with 3 female regulars throughout all 7 seasons.
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I always liked Kim, I like Kes but I thought Seven was a better character.
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Live long and prosper.....!!

Yeah agreed, would have been nice though if Kes had stayed one season longer, to see how she and Seven would have got on !!
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