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how differnet would VOY be; with a male captain?
Topic Started: Thu Feb 3, 2011 3:50 pm (496 Views)
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the producers had a hard time finding a female for the
role of janeway and were considering casting a male.
especially after their first choice quit. the rest of the cast had already
been in place and if they had gone with a male captain, the roles
of kim and chakotay would've been recast with women.

so the question is; how would've the series been different with these changes?


discuss.

possible topics;
1. a paris/female kim romance instead of a paris/torres one?
2. would the series have had less criticism with a male captain?
3. more UST (unresolved sexual tension) between male janeway/female first officer?
4. possible torres & female kim buddy stories instead of paris & male kim ones?


i think there's good chance the series would've had
less criticism with a male captain. it would still be different
(being out in the delta quadrant) but not so "radical" of a departure.

and i think a paris/female kim romace would've developed.
they would start our as friends at first (as opposed to the
sort of animosity paris & torres had) then the romance would develop.
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I don't know if the tenor of the show would have changed a lot. Mulgrew played the role much the same way as a man would have. It's not like there were a whole lot of feminine issues that were different then how a man would have handled it. I think there would have been less sexual tension though between a male captain and a female first officer. That would have been a whole lot trickier to portray then with a female captain and male first officer.
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Captian Rudy Ransom was an example of a male captain that things went wrong.
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2. would the series have had less criticism with a male captain?


definitely.



I bet 7 of 9 would have ended up being a dude! lol Hopefully a dude with a big cod piece.


wow! two roles would have switched to female... so there would have been kim, Chakotay, Kes and Torres!
thats got to be the most chicks in one show! I think I might have liked that.
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No, wouldn't work with a male captain. It would have been compared with TOS, TNG and DS9 as 'just another Trek series', rather than be accepted on it's own merits as a stand-alone series. And Kate Mulgrew brought enough 'strength' and 'charisma' to the role, to be convincing that she deserved to be in that role.
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You think ds9 and tng are just another trek series? Each of the series were unique in some way. It was the premise of being lost in space that made voyager unique not the gender of it's captain.
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I don't think a male captain would have diminished the criticism in any way because Janeway was one of, if not the, main strengths of the show. Kate Mulgrew made that a strong role.

IMO, the rest of the cast is the problem. I've only watched a handful of VOY episodes because I don't like half of the main characters. Chakotay, Neelix, Kes, Kim, and Torres just don't interest me.
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wissaboo
Thu Feb 3, 2011 11:42 pm
You think ds9 and tng are just another trek series? Each of the series were unique in some way. It was the premise of being lost in space that made voyager unique not the gender of it's captain.
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Fri Feb 4, 2011 8:55 am
I don't think a male captain would have diminished the criticism in any way because Janeway was one of, if not the, main strengths of the show. Kate Mulgrew made that a strong role.

IMO, the rest of the cast is the problem. I've only watched a handful of VOY episodes because I don't like half of the main characters. Chakotay, Neelix, Kes, Kim, and Torres just don't interest me.
Logically you are correct, and I agree with you on most of your statements (I like Torres :pfft: )


but there are alot of people who critise the show.. just beacuse they dont like Janeway being a chick. Or they call her to manly.. whateve,r they are never satisfied.
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giving the ship the same name as a minivan was a bit of a blunder :teehee:
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that made me want that Mivi Van... but my parents wouldnt buy one.
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I had one :p
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well.... Im glad someone got to have one.
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but there are alot of people who critise the show.. just beacuse they dont like Janeway being a chick. Or they call her to manly.. whateve,r they are never satisfied.
it seemed to me that there were two main issues when
they first announced the series;

1. the captain was a woman. would she be "commanding"
enough or would she want to "mother" the crew?

2. it was a ship lost in an unknown (to us, the viewers) part of space.
our of contact with starfleet and none of the usual species; klingons,
vulcans, etc. (except for those on the crew)

garret wang said the studio (producers, one assumes) got death
threats over having a female captain. in the 1990's you'd think people
would be used to having women in positions of authority.
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I remember a review at the time talking about how "crowded" the universe had become in TNG. You couldn't throw a meteor without hitting a star base or a federation ship. And species we had already encountered were everywhere. I think that was the beauty of the premise of voyager. New space where the federation wasn't there to provide backup.
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I think that having a male captain would have increased criticism that the Voyager was just TNG 'lite' rather than its own show, but would have decreased criticism over Janeway's actions and decisions as a captain.

I think that male Janeway would have lost more disagreements with female Chakotay, especially in Scorpion and Year of Hell. I think they wanted her to stand up to him to prove her as a strong woman and went a bit overboard, considering some her decisions (particularly in YoH) were a bit stupid.

I also think that male Janeway would probably have ended up in a relationship with Chakotay because, forgive me for generalising, but males tend to be a bit 'sluttier' and probably wouldn't care as much about the fraternization regs.
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Well, Kirk certainly didn't care about 'em !! :lol:
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Kate Mulgrew rocked as Captain Janeway, so without her there would be no Voyager.
What's more, this is still a man's world, and as long as that is, there will always be issues with women being in a position of authority.
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They tried too hard in the beginning to separate the captain from the woman. When she was on duty, it was all professional. Hair in a bun, total authoritarian in commands and almost devoid of gender in the presence.

Off duty the hair was let down, literally, and we were introduced to the pink nighty. It was like two separate people.

Kate has referred to the early days as a constant examination of her gender. They tried multiple hair styles. They put heels on her boots. They told her to raise the pitch of her voice. Most interesting to me was them taping her boobs down. The producers said that was for the young male demographic.

She expressed confusion, as her experience had been most men, especially young ones, like boobs. The reasoning had to do with the fact that these young men's mothers also had boobs. And seeing hers, they might start to associate the captain with their own mother. Apparently the didn't want the mommy vibe.

Interestingly enough a few years later they realized these young men's girlfriend's also had boobs. Since now it had been established that young men could differentiate between nursing and foreplay then they drafted up the caricature that would become 7 of 9.

Now with Jeri Ryan on the show they gave up on presenting Janeway as an attractive female. First they gave her a little boy's haircut. Then they kept her in uniform for the rest of the series. I swear she lived in that thing.

While the physical manifestation was now asexual, Kate had taken more ownership of the role and it started to show through. She became more relaxed and the female empathy and inflections were part of her delivery. There was also a strong maternal element to her interaction with the crew.
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I 'will' remember.

I do agree with wissa that Mulgrew played 'captain' as a captain rather than a gender.

Now the relationships with the crew women might, no, 'would' have played differently. The bonding, comforting, counseling, nurturing of the women crew that played so particularly appealing to me in this series would have been a bit off-putting (I think) to me if that much care and energy came from a male captain to these female crew members.

But the show could have played well for me if a male captain used the guidance card for errant or challenged male crew members. The father/leader as opposed to the leader/mother would, I'm pretty sure, have worked equally well had it gone that way. As a matter of fact, since the new movies began in 2009 (which I like so much and see in them the core tenants of message/ethics/social discussions that I prefer in my Trek) I have been considering what it would be like for me to see a re-boot of myVoyager some place down the line with some gender switching in my characters, like Starbuck did in nuBSG. So I 'have' thought a bout a gender switch on the captain.

My taste is that as long as it retains the feeling that the Voyager becomes another family-esque group, and as long as it keeps the approachable leader/head of family flavor for the captain, and as long as the series keeps the original tenants of message/ethics/social discussions of TOS like Voyager does.... then I'd be up for it. I'm not married to Janeway or any of them being a certain gender. I AM married to the attitude of the series though. :lol:
I will remember.
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