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Distant Origin Review; Another Over-rated Classic
Topic Started: Sun Nov 15, 2009 11:53 pm (500 Views)
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Sometimes, a movie or TV episode will come along that will make you question the very essence of the universe. It will expand your horizons and open you up to ideas that you never considered, and theories that will engage your interest and make you toss your old beliefs aside.

And on the other end of the bell curve lies Distant Origin.

Distant Origin attempts to do something very unique and creative; It attempts to be a re-telling of the story of Copernicus in a science fiction setting, and attempts to make us sympathise with the protagonist by offering us a radical and borderline offensive theory that is shown to be true through logic and reasoning, and have him persecuted for that theory while all the time the truth is right in front of him... Unfortunately, it doesn't do that. What it does instead is make me look at him as a crack-pot conspiracy theorist who doesn't have a claw to stand on.

The episode begins with what starts as a very effective teaser. Two reptilian aliens are scanning bones on a desert planet, talking in clicks and gestures. It piqued my interest, and should have been a great opening... and then they talk. Ok, first of all, why? They obviously communicate through clicks. Second, this completely gives their intentions away. Why make it clear they are scientists? When I first saw this, I thought there was some sort of evil purpose behind their scans. Maybe they were bounty hunters chasing Voyager down, or hell, maybe they just wanted to ask Neelix the proper way to boil leola root. Whatever mystery we might have about this is killed right away, and instead of a slow build-up where we receive clues as to their intentions, it's just blurted out after the credits.

Speaking of the credits, this episode is written by Joe Menosky and Brannon Braga, the writers of another great idea that never went anywhere - Blink of an Eye. Braga and Menowsky are where good ideas go to die.

Anyway, we're now onboard the scientist's ship, where they do some theorizing about the bones, which fans of Basics will remember are Hogan's from when Neelix got him killed. I'm not sure why they decayed so much in just a year, or more importantly, why they are there at all! You'd have thought that the Voyager crew would have transported his remains back to the ship for a proper service. I guess they just really didn't like him, or something. Anyway, they're looking over the bones, but what undermines this scene is that the way the skull is shaped and the way the light shines on it, it looks like the skull is wearing an eye patch - It's too funny to take seriously.

It should be noted that the first act of this episode is told through these two scientists and not the Voyager crew. It's an interesting twist that could have worked... could have worked. Unfortunately, all it does is take any mystery away from the episode and instead weigh it down with endless paleobable.

The other problem with this scene comes in the middle of it, when they determine the bones come from a mammal and not a reptile and it is now made clear what these scientists are after - They believe humans are related to them somehow. However, when the younger scientist, named Veer, mentions that his being a mammal weakens the case, the leader, named Gegen, states that their DNA is too similar, and they must be related... Er... Ok.

First of all, this shows a complete lack of objectivity on his part. He is not willing to listen to anything that disputes his theory. This alone makes me wonder how much evidence he casually discarded simply because it didn't fit what he believed in. Honestly, he seems more close minded here and through the rest of the episode than the ministers that are supposedly persecuting him.

Second, this is a pretty big leap in logic. There are 220 million basepairs in just the first human chromosome alone - How many would we actually have in common with an animal that evolved along a completely different tract? Well, I was surprised to discover some time ago that there's actually a lot. See, we're actually 95-98% the same geneticly as many apes, and a recent theory actually suggests that we aren't descended from them at all, that we actually come from smaller creatures, and that we have more in common with lemurs than apes. Surely, about 200 million of those base pairs must be the same to make such a radical claim as this... Let's see where it goes.

Anyway, they share some more talk, and then Gegen goes all hamlet on Veer and talks to the skull. On second viewing, I actually find this scene kinda funny. I almost think he really believes he's talking to someone based on how batty he turns out to be.

Anyway, the upshot is that they decide they need a major expedition, and the only way to do this is to go to the council of ministers. Ooo, ominous...

So Gegen gives a little speech to the ministers, and they aren't pleased. Seems they have the same problems I do with the theory. Again, it's hard to think that he's being persecuted when the minister is only channeling my skepticism.

But Gegen has proof, he says we have 47 genetic markers in common and... um... wait, go back a minute. He must have said 147 million, right? Maybe 4.7 billion? I couldn't have heard that correctly, let me rewind.

"...we share 47 genetic markers with this being..."

What. The. Hell?

So let me get this straight... We have less in common with this species than we do with a flea, and he thinks this is proof?

Now, I've been talking about genetic markers, so let's briefly go into what a genetic marker is; A genetic marker is a sequence of DNA within a chromosome that combine to create certain traits in the host. The more obvious ones are things like number and shape of limbs or different senses, and these days we are discovering many more that effect our behavior and even some that may unlock hidden secrets about our future tendencies. There are millions upon millions and probably billions of these markers... It would take more than 47 just to tell our DNA we're supposed to have five fingers! Could they have done a little research?

"Let's talk about your discovery," the minister tells him, and suggests that because of the money involved in finding this, he was probably just victim of a hoax, which sounds pretty accurate, actually, since it's very possible, but he refuses to even entertain the possibility.

Eventually, a reason for the council's unwillingness to go forward is given - It would challenge their power and the minister's right to rule because it would contradict doctrine. Personally, I think the idiotic nature of the theory and the lack of evidence is enough reason, but alright, I'd indulge the episode on this one if only I could see them actually doing this. It seems more like genuine logic for the minister to refute this theory. I just don't see the problem with them at all.

So they are far nicer than I have been and tell him they'll consider it. He is doubtful (with good reason) and decides to go out on his own. Before the scene closes, Gegen's daughter comes in and basically reflects what the audience is thinking right now - You're not being objective, and you're putting everything on the line for a crack-pot theory. "Mathematics was never your strong point," she tells him, and I can't help but think that genetics obviously isn't either.

Now onboard his ship, Veer comes to tell Gegen he needs to leave, that they are coming to get him. The two set off on their expedition. My only thought as to why they were let go this long was so that they could get away and lead them to Voyager, but considering Voyager wasn't anywhere near the Voth, that is a pretty stupid plan. It would probably be better to just let Voyager wizz by and not say anything.

I should mention now that I am really disappointed in one thing; The Voth aren't really very advanced. Yeah, they have transwarp drive (which puts them on par with two academy washouts and an ensign a year out of basic), but that's about it. It's not just technology, but physiologicly and sociologicly, they are very basic, even less advanced than humans, it seems. They don't seem any smarter or more capable of doing anything more than what we can do. Voyager even manages to break their cloak and trap them later. Considering they've had a 400 million year head start on us, this is pretty pathetic.

Anyway, they're now off, and we are treated to a purple prose letter Gegen is sending to his daughter, and then a little playful banter with Veer about how he and his daughter are obviously romanticly involved, all while he eats off a large phalic symbol. The biggest problem comes during a little montage of what they have been up to; Their big piece of evidence on where to find Voyager came from the warp plasma the Tak Tak had from a previous Voyager episode... an episode in which the warp plasma had been destroyed... and wasn't actually from Voyager at all but was in fact part of a trap. Yeah, great to see these scientists are doing objective research that can't possibly be wrong...

Anyway, they find Voyager and cloak. Cute move on the cloaking device being out of phase instead of a subspace illusion, but it's the same technology used by the signifigantly less evolved species from Year of Hell, the Dividians and even Starfleet (used in Time's Arrow). I again need to ask what makes these people more evolved.

So they come aboard Voyager with personal cloaking devices and look around. They comment on the smell, which is a typical Braga joke, and then access the computer. "Simple binary system..." Um... We haven't had binary systems since at least Duotronics back in the 23nd century. Why is Voyager back to using binary sequences? Again, this guy just comes off as a nut.

So we get into the one genuinely fun moment of this episode where Tom and B'elanna argue over a maintenance problem, and the result is Tom being correct and B'elanna owing him a sparring match in a Klingon Martial Arts program, all while the Voth watch this "courting ritual." It was a nice diversion from this otherwise disappointing episode.

Anyway, what comes next is amusing, but a moment's thought shows it to be stupid. They stand on the bridge and observe the crew. They soon come to ridiculous conclusions on human society that show the same lack of logic as their theory of distant origin. I can't really understand why they would make such obvious errors other than this being an attempt at comedy from the writers, and while I will admit it's funny, it's too stupid to hold up, and futher undermines this episode.

So Harry the Wonderkin detects them and Tuvok starts entraping them in a forcefield. They escape to The Mess Hall (where the contents of Neelix's kitchen undoubtably caused panic about human hygene habits), and a security team fires a phaser that disrupts the cloak. Veer panics and shoots Chief Wild Eagle, and then stands there in place as he is shot, and Gegen escapes with Chakotay, leaving Veer at the mercy of Janeway.

So Veer is brought to sickbay and can't communicate with her for some reason, clicking instead of talking. It's been shown that they can talk, so why isn't he just explaining himself in the same way that he suggested doing a scene earlier? I know continuity isn't important to these people, but can we at least have it from scene to scene? Anyway, a few seconds of our mad leader and he puts himself into a sort of hibernation (wish I could do that for the rest of this episode).

So we now find ourselves on Gegen's ship, and he has completely abandon his partner and left him at the mercy of a species he doesn't know he can trust and is obviously primitive.

Chief Wild Eagle tries to reason with him, and Gegen explains his case.

Back on Voyager, The Doctor shows he's just as stupid as Gegen because he finds the same 47 markers and Janeway also buys the idiocy.

So they 'take a stroll through primevil history,' in the holodeck, and find someone they think is a common ancestor, an Aereop. I don't know what an aereop is, but the common ancestor of a hadrosaur and a human would be a member of the Pelecosaur order, which have a lot of markers in common with rats and opposums, but not much in common with humans (still, a lot more than 47 markers). The biggest problem is that they came about 200 million years after the Devonian period, which was a period where almost all animals were just small fish. Pelecosaurs aren't mammels, but they aren't really pure reptiles either. We could make a reasonable guess that these are our ancestors just based on the logic of the situation, but actual DNA would never be conclusive, since so few genetic markers would be in common that it could just as easily be random chance that brought them there (still a lot more than 47). Therefore, there can be no proof of the distant origin theory through DNA. Through other means maybe, but the limits of DNA come well before proving this theory, and show yet again that this entire thing is just a ridiculous leap in logic.

So she asks for the most evolved ancestor of the aereop (um, wouldn't that be a human? ), and gets a hadrosaur. I hate to insult bad effects, but this is such an awkward scene. They apparently couldn't afford a model of a hadrosaur, which is fine, but they apparently couldn't afford a 3d CGI model either. Instead, they have a two dimensional picture super-imposed on the scene. It looks terrible, and all I can think of during this scene of neccissary exposition is how dumb everyone looks.

So Janeway asks the computer to compute what a harosaur would look like if it continued to evolve over 400 million years and logic just flew out the window. How in hell could the computer know what it would evolve into? Evolution is not a strict direction; it's a complex form of adaptation that involves reaction to stimuli and enviroment, and weeding the weak out to make room for the strong. There is no direction of evolution. I've said before that master athiest Brannon Braga has accidently proven intellegent design a few times in his Trek career, and this is another one. Apparently everyone is evolving in a straight line and there is a master plan to the universe. Good to know.

So, surprise surprise, it evolves into a Voth.

In a rather nice transition, we move to Chakotay explaining a reason why we wouldn't have known about this before; that the remains of the Voth civilization may have decayed or been buried under the oceans. I'm wondering why we haven't scanned the bottoms of the oceans yet, but whatever. I could probably buy this as a possibility had there not been a million better theories using the same evidence, but I'll get to that later.

So back on Voyager, a small Voth ship appears, which suddenly becomes hundreds of times larger through bad CGI. They quickly make Voyager their bitch and take them hostage. From here we get our tithing of action as the Voth take over the ship. Very little can be said about this rather basic sequence, other than Tom playing his usual commando role and being the only competent member of the crew, evading capture. It seems that even though the Voth earlier could tell how many people were aboard Voyager from 90 light years away, they can't detect Tom from within their own ship.

So they do a little talking to Janeway, and Tom comes out of nowhere, incapacitates a Voth soldier and tries to fire weapons... Damn! Tom is a badass in this episode. Take that you psychotic dinosaur! Unfortunatly, The Voth take the weapons offline through an unknown meathod, thus making this entire sequence entirely pointless.

So they're about to torture Janeway for information when Gegen returns to face the ministers.

So now we come to the big scene. The minister lays her case on the table; That all Gegen cares about is bringing the ministers down. Honestly, it's hard not to see her point; It's such an obvious case of obsession and leaps in logic that it seems like that's all he's trying to do. If we didn't know any better, we'd probably have thought the same as the minister. In fact, the minister comes off as very forgiving, offering him complete forgiveness if he even just admits that it is possible he is wrong... Now any scientist - ANY SCIENTIST, WITH ANY THEORY should always admit that he may be wrong. Even theories that seemed self-evident have been proven wrong over the years; Newton's laws of motion have been proven wrong based on the fact that there is no absolute rest. The theory of an ether has been competely rejected, absolute time is now accepted as a fiction... So why not even admit the possibility? Especially when there's no good evidence? Copernicus was threatened with torture and death if he didn't come out 100% against his theory; This is nothing compared to that! Galileo got the crap kicked out of him, had all his writings banned and died pennyless and blind because of his theory. Why is she being so easy on him? Well, because this isn't a very evil regime. That's all I can take from this. In fact, she seems genuinely concerned with the impact this would have on her society. She actually comes off far better than the aliens from First Contact, whom The Enterprise was trying to convince to join the Federation. So where's the problem?

On the one hand, I have a scientist who is an obvious conspiracy nut, and on the other I have a minister concerned for her species. Who am I supposed to sympathize with?

Her scientists, in fact, say exactly what I've been saying all along, that the connection is so minor it was just random convergence. She doesn't dispute the data at all, only the interpretation, which is exactly what I've been saying. She again tries to talk sense into him, and have him admit he might be wrong. She brings Veer out, and he says the theory is flawed and they were overzealous. I know I'm supposed to think he was threatened or something, but all I can think of is that he finally saw reason. There's such a leap in logic here that I would have said the same thing. She then praises Veer, and again acts very fair.

Again, she tries to be merciful and asks if he'd just admit the possiblility he might be wrong. Gegen goes on again with his conspiracy theories, and seems to want to become a martyr, asking to be sent to prison. But Chakotay, speaking out of turn, tries to convince her that this would be a great boone to The Voth, that they could spin this into a positive.

Now here's another major flaw - If she were only interested in holding on to power, then maybe this would have been a good idea... And then, she decides not to. All this does is show her as truely not believing this theory. She's not just holding on to power, she's really trying to show she doesn't believe in this theory.

But then, all of this comes crashing down and for no reason whatsoever, she completely backtracks and starts threatening Gegen with prison, sentencing him to a lifetime of incarceration. He seems rather happy with this, actually. Only when she decides the Voyager crew will join them does he finally retract, and the minister lets Voyager go and reassigns Gegen to a different field of study.

This entire outburst counteracts everything that came before and really has no possible reason except to make it so that Gegen had a reason to retract.

The episode ends with Chakotay giving Gegen a small globe and Gegen saying that the Voth will one day see it as home. This would have been a great ending had I still any interest in this episode.

Anyway, now that this is over, let's talk about this episode. I've been going on and on about how 47 genetic markers is almost nothing, but it's not fair to say that bad science is why I don't like this episode; In fact, it's the impact that science has on the episode that is the problem. It shows Gegen to be an idiotic conspiracy theorist, less like Copernicus and more like a 9/11 truther. His theory holds no water, and the minister seems to be rather fair and gives him ample opportunity to explain himself. I almost thought while watching this episode that we were being set up to see that Gegen really was wrong and that his house of cards would come crashing down. I think this was actually why I kept my interest for so long in this episode, because I kept thinking this was coming.

But it didn't come, and the episode just blows.

Before I go, I want to discuss more logical explinations for the Voth;

OTher Reasons For Voth Similarities

Now, I made it clear earlier that there's really nothing in common between humans and Voth that humans don't have with species like the Klingons, but let's assume for the sake of this section that Braga and Menowsky had actually done some research and gotten the genetic markers correct.

I'm an Occum's Razor guy; Whatever is the path of least resistence is probably the right path. Whatever theory has the least moving parts and leave the least to chance, that's the one I like. So when I see one with this many moving parts I'm sent for a loop. So let's talk about far more logical theories (again, assuming humans and Voth actually have commonalities);

The Preservers

The preservers visited Earth many milenia ago and took with them many species of animals, spreading them across the universe. They returned several times and once even managed to take humans along. Who is to say they didn't take some Hadrosaurs along? Those hadrosaurs then evolved into The Voth. For all we know they just took an Aereop along (seriously, is that even a real creature or did they make it up? ), and The Voth would have evolved from that.

The First Race

The nameless first race from The Chase seeded their genetic code into several planets throughout the galaxy. When several of those genes came together, it formed a message explaining this to many of their child races. There is certainly enough genetic matierial there to have 47 markers in common with another race that also recieved the seeding. Perhaps they dropped their matierial on The Voth homeworld?

Random Conversion

In the famous words of Dr. McCoy; "In this galaxy there is a mathmatical probability of three million Earth-like planets. And beyond that, three million, million galaxies like this one."

The galaxy is a big place. It just figures that there would be similar life forms evolving around it. This could have very easily been a coincidence, especially since we evolved in such a similar way.

Hodgekin's Law of Parallel Planetary Development

We have seen Hodgekin's Law in action many times over the years. We've even seen worlds so similar to our own that they had the exact same wording in their legal documents and the same number of stars on their flags! Since all genetic markers do is tell your body how to develop, a species physically identical to humans will have most of their genetic markers in common. Even assuming there is a similarity between Humans and Voth, The Voth may have simply evolved as if they were from Earth because the world they came from was subject to this principle.

I encourage others to offer your own ideas for what could have happened, but the fact that there are so many possibilities just goes to show that admiting the possibility that Gegen was wrong isn't a bad thing and isn't just denying the truth. He needed to really prove himself and failed miserably, and this is the great flaw of the episode. Why should I care about him when I don't see his point? Why should I think he's anything but a nut? Why should I side against the ministers who seem to be doing what they can to keep their species together? I'm sorry, but this isn't the story of Copernicus; Copernicus had a sound and logical theory that had a clear path of evidence, and was forced to recant because his theory contradicted what a few people in robes claimed was God's will (when in fact there's no reason to think the Earth is the center of the universe from the bible). He was a man persecuted for his beliefs and forced to live his life in disgrace. Gegen is not Copernicus. He's not even Jerry Fletcher. Speaking of which, that was a good movie. I think I'll go watch it to wash the taste of this out of my mouth.
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wow. That is in depth. Wish I'd seen the episode :lol:

Love to see that kind of analysis though. You put my reviews to shame.
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Once again I must tell you about Digestive acids. Remember that beast in the cave had Hogan for It's dinner(or lunch..possibly it's breakfast). He went through the belly of the beast and was digested and pooped out. Digestive acids, Acids in general will decay skeletal tissues a lot faster.

What I already said at ST :lol:
 
I love dinosaurs and I actually liked this episode. I thought it was funny how they complained about the smell of the Voyager crew.
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So, to sum up all SLagonia wrote; not one of Voyager's best episodes.
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Me in 10 years^^^

I usually don't delve into the logistics of the episodes. I watch them to be entertained, not educated.
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Nov 16 2009, 04:37 AM
So, to sum up all SLagonia wrote; not one of Voyager's best episodes.

my brother & i skipped that in our
VOY rewatch. most tv show fail with
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Nov 16 2009, 12:37 AM
So, to sum up all SLagonia wrote; not one of Voyager's best episodes.

Wow, you did in one sentence what I did in 12 pages :blush:
"How did you make it to captain without understanding warp theory?"
"I order the helm to go and the ship moves."
-Chief Wildman and Captain Winters in episode 6 of Cardinal

"Our lives begin to end the day we become silent about things that matter"
-M. L. King; Inscribed on the dedication plaque of USS Cardinal

"If it doesn't work, paint it"
-Unofficial motto of the Starfleet Border Patrol

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Nov 16 2009, 03:22 AM
I usually don't delve into the logistics of the episodes. I watch them to be entertained, not educated.

Believe it or not, I agree. That's why things that interfear with that good time are what I focus on. It's one thing to get a fact wrong, it's another thing entirely to have that incorrect fact weigh heavily on the episode.

For example, do I really care that they got the dates wrong when it came to when lizards began to form? No. Ok, so it was 200 million years off, but whatever. If they get it right, the episode doesn't change. Am I upset that they were led to Voyager using something that never actually came from Voyager? A little, but it could have just been random chance. I can live with it. Am I upset that he is not at all acting like a scientist and is instead acting more like a conspiracy theorist? Hell yeah! Am I upset that I identify more with the minister than the protagonist? HELL YEAH!
"How did you make it to captain without understanding warp theory?"
"I order the helm to go and the ship moves."
-Chief Wildman and Captain Winters in episode 6 of Cardinal

"Our lives begin to end the day we become silent about things that matter"
-M. L. King; Inscribed on the dedication plaque of USS Cardinal

"If it doesn't work, paint it"
-Unofficial motto of the Starfleet Border Patrol

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I see your point. :yes:
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Good point, well made.
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Maybe they came from an identical Earth from an Alternate universe.
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Maybe they came from an identical Earth from an Alternate universe.

Another good possibility. Far more logical than Gegen's theory.
"How did you make it to captain without understanding warp theory?"
"I order the helm to go and the ship moves."
-Chief Wildman and Captain Winters in episode 6 of Cardinal

"Our lives begin to end the day we become silent about things that matter"
-M. L. King; Inscribed on the dedication plaque of USS Cardinal

"If it doesn't work, paint it"
-Unofficial motto of the Starfleet Border Patrol

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Ltpondwater9
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Maybe they came from an identical Earth from an Alternate universe.

Another good possibility. Far more logical than Gegen's theory.

They could of gotten through between Universes by an Ionic storm on a planetoid in a desolate nebula and continued on their way without them noticing.
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Mostly agree with you. This episode has never sat well with me. The science made me cringe right from my first viewing at 12 and I agree, Gegan was a nutcase. Not a sympathetic character at all.

Nevertheless, I can still (somewhat) enjoy the episode if I'm the mood to suspend disbelief.

But in all honesty, nearly every episode of Trek require some suspension of disbelief, so I try not to pick them apart too much, so long as they're not completely ridiculous.
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