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Jon & Kate & child labour laws
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Topic Started: Fri May 29, 2009 4:35 pm (310 Views)
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Fri May 29, 2009 4:35 pm
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Pennsylvania labour officials probing 'Jon & Kate' complaint Module body
By Michael Rubinkam, The Associated Press
WERNERSVILLE, Pa. - Jon, Kate and their eight have attracted a huge TV audience, screaming tabloid headlines and, now, a state labour investigation.
In a possible wake-up call to reality TV, the Pennsylvania Department of Labor says it's looking into whether the hit show "Jon & Kate Plus 8" is complying with the state's child labour law. TLC said Friday it "fully complies" with state laws and regulations.
The TLC series follows Jon and Kate Gosselin as they raise their eight young children, including eight-year-old twins and sextuplets who just turned 5.
The show drew nearly 10 million viewers for its fifth-season premiere Monday - more than double the audience for its fourth-season finale several weeks ago - following media reports that the couple had cheated on each other. They denied it, but conceded their marriage is in trouble.
The Labor Department received a complaint against the show and is "gathering information" from its representatives, department spokesman Justin Fleming told The Associated Press. Fleming would not say when the complaint was filed or who filed it.
The fact a complaint is being investigated doesn't necessarily mean the department believes the show did anything wrong.
"Any complaint we get, we investigate," Fleming said.
Child actors and other young performers are protected by Pennsylvania labour law, but it's not clear whether the law applies to reality TV. Investigators will have to decide whether the Gosselins' house in southeastern Pennsylvania is essentially a TV set where producers direct much of the action - in which case the law may apply - or a home where the kids aren't really working but are simply living their lives, albeit in front of the cameras.
Kate's brother and sister-in-law made waves this week by saying the Gosselins are exploiting their children for financial gain. Jon and Kate Gosselin are reportedly paid tens of thousands of dollars per episode.
"Unfortunately, I think it has come down to all about the ratings," sister-in-law Jodi Kreider told CBS' "The Early Show." "And no one is looking at these children as what they are going through and the life consequences they are going to have as they get older."
Kreider said the children have told her they don't like the cameras.
Her husband and Kate's brother, Kevin Kreider, said in the same interview: "You can't imagine as a child realizing that my birthday party, that all the outings that my parents took me on were ... for ratings, and all organized by production companies."
TLC spokeswoman Laurie Goldberg said in a statement Friday that the network "fully complies with all applicable laws and regulations" for all of its shows.
"For an extended period of time, we have been engaged in co-operative discussions and supplied all requested information to the Pennsylvania Department of Labor," Goldberg said.
Child labour laws vary by state. Other reality shows featuring children include TLC's "18 Kids and Counting," set in Arkansas, and "Table for 12," set in New Jersey.
The Pennsylvania investigation recalls a 2007 controversy surrounding "Kid Nation," a CBS reality show about 40 children given the task of organizing and running their own lives in New Mexico.
The Screen Actors Guild and others suggested the children were being exploited and one trade magazine said the show was skirting New Mexico labour laws by declaring the production a "summer camp." Producers denied the accusations; the show lasted 13 episodes.
Seeking more space for their brood, the Gosselins moved in October into a $1.1 million house on nearly 10 hectares with a white picket fence and gated, tree-lined driveway. The show tapes year-round, three or four days a week.
A few kilometres away, in the small town of Wernersville, everyone seems to have an opinion about the sharp-tongued Kate and her long-suffering husband.
Amanda Baez, 32, an assistant at her mother's Wernersville hair salon and an avid watcher of the show, said she's not concerned about the children's welfare.
"This is all the children know, especially the sextuplets since they were babies. They grew up with cameras in their faces. They grew up with the production. ... It's probably like having their aunt and uncle with the family video camera just watching you," she said.
State law permits kids who are at least seven to work in the entertainment industry, as long as a permit is obtained and certain rules are followed. The law also allows performers younger than seven to have "temporary employment ... in the production of a motion picture."
George Voegele, a labour lawyer at Cozen O'Connor in Philadelphia, said the Labor Department might well decide it doesn't have jurisdiction over the show, especially if investigators determine the cameras are there to document the kids, not direct them.
"The fundamental question I see here is whether or not they're employees, whether they're working, and whether the Pennsylvania child labour law provisions would even apply to this situation," he said.
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AP Television Writer Frazier Moore contributed to this story from New York.
http://ca.news.yahoo.com/s/capress/090529/...e_investigation
kinda brings up an interesting issue. Are family style reality shows exploiting the children. I hadn't really thought much about it but I guess they are. Even worse then child actors. They at least get to go home at the end of the day.
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Fri May 29, 2009 4:38 pm
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Interesting question. How many reality shows have had families as the subjects? Going back to the Loud Family that was on PBS back in the 70's, I would say quite a few. I don't think that I would want cameras in my home recording my family's every move.
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Fri May 29, 2009 4:43 pm
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and what if you are a child who is too young to consent?
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Fri May 29, 2009 4:46 pm
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I would hope that my parents aren't greedy and tell the producers "NO".
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Fri May 29, 2009 5:41 pm
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Brings into question shows like "the super-nanny" too
its not technically a "reality show", but kids have intimate parts of their lives put on tv
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Fri May 29, 2009 7:51 pm
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Screen actor's guild whining.
Oh no, the producers want us to go to the zoo and we're going to actually get paid to take care of our big family.
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Sat May 30, 2009 7:52 am
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Is this really getting out of hand? If the children don't like the camera at them, should this be stopped? What about their feelings? In my opinion, I think it is getting too far. I noticed Jon's expression on his face and know what he is going through, I can tell Kate is a bit commanding or demanding. See, I can analyze people by their expressions and actions.
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Wed Jun 3, 2009 10:15 pm
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They actually make tv shows about this? I should have become a therapist. Looks like there will be a growing need for it in the next decade or so
You teach & mold your children in ways you never even realize, by the actions you choose, by the example you set. How will these children mature, under these circumstances? What stimuli are you subjecting them to, & how will it effect their personalities?
They are purposely teaching their kids to be prostitutes, imo
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Mon Jun 8, 2009 9:58 pm
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so I was talking to a client at work about this today. We were wondering if the kids are getting paid for this. And if it's being held for them like a child actor's is.
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Mon Jun 8, 2009 11:07 pm
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so I was talking to a client at work about this today. We were wondering if the kids are getting paid for this. And if it's being held for them like a child actor's is.
Supposedly, Jon and Kate have split up.
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Tue Jun 9, 2009 8:33 am
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Did they?
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