LOST *SPOILERS*

Wanted: New forum members!
Do you have the right stuff to be an arch-angel member?
Must be:

willing to talk trek
able to have fun
open to geekiness in all it's glory
willing to make new friends and be overwhelmed by our welcoming members
open to particpating in lots of activities and contests

Do you have what it takes? Then what are you waiting for? Register now and start posting right away! Register Now!

Pages:
1
…
60
61
62
…
84

LOST SPOILERS; the OFFICIAL thread
Tweet Topic Started: Tue Nov 6, 2007 5:48 pm (17,075 Views)
Mojochi	Wed May 27, 2009 10:27 am Post #1201
........................... Posts: 13,333 Group: Movie Era 10000 post spammer Member #1,478 Joined: November 14, 2007	wissaboo May 27 2009, 12:26 PM right it's all coming back to me. I'm still disapointed that richard doesn't know anything. I think he does know some things, just not everything we'd like him to know Richard is still an unexplained X factor. I'm sure they'll clear that up in the final season



wissaboo	Wed May 27, 2009 10:30 am Post #1202
Posts: 25,676 Group: Admin Member #1 Joined: November 16, 2005	I really wanted him to be the one who was all knowing and all controlling.



Mojochi	Thu May 28, 2009 2:11 am Post #1203
........................... Posts: 13,333 Group: Movie Era 10000 post spammer Member #1,478 Joined: November 14, 2007	No, Richard is not the Oz. I think Jacob was the Oz. Richard seems more like the prodigal son, or the chosen one or something like that



rab24	Fri May 29, 2009 8:38 pm Post #1204
Posts: 5,349 Group: 5000 post Angel Member #7 Joined: November 17, 2005	Seems almost certain Richard came with the boat now. Since Richard is the one that needed to be shown Locke's body, I take it Richard can wield some power over new Locke.
	Your money is best spent by you. http://www.Fairtax.org


Mojochi	Sat May 30, 2009 9:11 pm Post #1205
........................... Posts: 13,333 Group: Movie Era 10000 post spammer Member #1,478 Joined: November 14, 2007	Yeah, he & the Black Rock crew seemingly were the beginning of this whole disagreement between Jacob & the other guy, at least in this incarnation, upon the island The New Locke is undoubtedly an extension of the black smoke monster, which is likely a vehicle of Jacob's nemesis. that much was obvious, just from the Loophole conversation he had with Jacob, at the end



rab24	Sat May 30, 2009 9:28 pm Post #1206
Posts: 5,349 Group: 5000 post Angel Member #7 Joined: November 17, 2005	Why is it obvious from the loophole conversation?
	Your money is best spent by you. http://www.Fairtax.org


Mojochi	Mon Jun 1, 2009 10:47 am Post #1207
........................... Posts: 13,333 Group: Movie Era 10000 post spammer Member #1,478 Joined: November 14, 2007	The conversation, as I recall it, was a conversation that began between Jacob, & his rival, in the flashback at the beginning of the episode, as they stared out at the pirate ship assail (Presumably the Black Rock) He says to Jacob "Do you have any idea how badly I want to kill you?" To which Jacob answers yes. "One of these days, sooner or later, I'm going to find a loophole, my friend" Was how he responded to Jacob When The New Locke takes Ben to meet Jacob, for the first time, in his life, the first thing Jacob says to Locke is "Well, you found your loophole" as if he were talking right to his rival from the beginning, & continuing the same conversation with him. Locke is just an image of Locke, an image which is very much similar to all the images the black smoke monster has made throughout the five seasons, the most recent of which was Alex, Ben's daughter, who forced Ben to obey the false Locke to begin with. Ben has been consistently led astray from Jacob's fold (Of which Richard is probably an original member) nearly all his life, by this rival, who was probably imprisoned in the cabin, with the ash ring around it The loophole of which they speak is Ben. Ben is the loophole, because he is probably the first leader of Jacob's fold to have never actually laid eyes on Jacobs, nor felt his influence in any way, which made him the most corruptible, & the easiest to turn against Jacob, which he does, & stabs him



VioletCloud	Mon Jun 1, 2009 3:17 pm Post #1208
Water Tribe! Posts: 18,370 Group: Admin Member #1,331 Joined: October 14, 2007	we understand the loophole.. I think its how the smoke monster is involved that was the question.
	All my posts are done from my tablet. I apologize for all strange errors in my posts... as swype hates me.


Mojochi	Mon Jun 1, 2009 6:08 pm Post #1209
........................... Posts: 13,333 Group: Movie Era 10000 post spammer Member #1,478 Joined: November 14, 2007	Well, it can't be a coincidence that there is an image of the recently deceased Locke roaming around the same island that the image of Ben's daughter, Eko's brother, & possibly Jack's father have been seen on. The first two, I can say with certainty are related to the Black Smoke Monster. Eko was killed by the monster immediately after admitting no remorse or repentance to something, which ended up not being his brother, & I'm pretty sure Ben saw the monster & then Alex at the bottom of the same hole that Locke nearly escaped being dragged into, by the monster, in season one. Ben repented, & lived, Eko didn't & died. I'm pretty sure the dead people images are somehow related to the monster, & False Locke was definitely Jacob's Rival. Perhaps the black smoke monster is a tool of Jacob's rival, that's purpose is to divine whether someone has goodness in them, because their whole argument seems to be about the corruptible nature of Man. So the person Jacob's rival needs has to be inherently good, such that they can be corrupted from that



Mojochi	Mon Jun 1, 2009 6:17 pm Post #1210
........................... Posts: 13,333 Group: Movie Era 10000 post spammer Member #1,478 Joined: November 14, 2007	Sending an unrepentant murderer to kill Jacob hardly proves any point. Corrupting someone good to do the job, wins the argument, that Man is incorrigible



VioletCloud	Mon Jun 1, 2009 7:21 pm Post #1211
Water Tribe! Posts: 18,370 Group: Admin Member #1,331 Joined: October 14, 2007	The theory is logical.. Imo
	All my posts are done from my tablet. I apologize for all strange errors in my posts... as swype hates me.


rab24	Mon Jun 1, 2009 9:12 pm Post #1212
Posts: 5,349 Group: 5000 post Angel Member #7 Joined: November 17, 2005	Mojochi Jun 1 2009, 08:08 PM Well, it can't be a coincidence that there is an image of the recently deceased Locke roaming around the same island that the image of Ben's daughter, Eko's brother, & possibly Jack's father have been seen on. The first two, I can say with certainty are related to the Black Smoke Monster. Eko was killed by the monster immediately after admitting no remorse or repentance to something, which ended up not being his brother, & I'm pretty sure Ben saw the monster & then Alex at the bottom of the same hole that Locke nearly escaped being dragged into, by the monster, in season one. Ben repented, & lived, Eko didn't & died. I'm pretty sure the dead people images are somehow related to the monster, & False Locke was definitely Jacob's Rival. Perhaps the black smoke monster is a tool of Jacob's rival, that's purpose is to divine whether someone has goodness in them, because their whole argument seems to be about the corruptible nature of Man. So the person Jacob's rival needs has to be inherently good, such that they can be corrupted from that The loophole stuff is logical, but I don't see how that makes it certain that the black smoke monster is the same as Jacob's rival. I think the black smoke monster is probably a neutral party that okayed Ben before new Locke took the form of Ben's daughter. Ben certainly wasn't "good" for a long time before we met him, but when the black smoke monster tested him, it apparently set him up as "forgiven" at least as far as the rules of the killing Jacob game go. Once the smoke monster is gone, new Locke can look like Alex for a minute really putting the plan into place. The ash ring was interesting. It would seem that Jacob was the one locked in the cabin, but hadn't been there in a long time. Jacob was free long before the plane crash, but the newcomers with Locke's body still expected him to be there. So how long ago did he set them up? So many little questions about that cabin.
	Your money is best spent by you. http://www.Fairtax.org


VioletCloud	Tue Jun 2, 2009 5:10 pm Post #1213
Water Tribe! Posts: 18,370 Group: Admin Member #1,331 Joined: October 14, 2007	rab24 Jun 1 2009, 08:12 PM The loophole stuff is logical, but I don't see how that makes it certain that the black smoke monster is the same as Jacob's rival. I think the black smoke monster is probably a neutral party that okayed Ben before new Locke took the form of Ben's daughter. Ben certainly wasn't "good" for a long time before we met him, but when the black smoke monster tested him, it apparently set him up as "forgiven" at least as far as the rules of the killing Jacob game go. Once the smoke monster is gone, new Locke can look like Alex for a minute really putting the plan into place. yes!! I think the Smoke monster is neutral... but his "judgement" and forgiveness... perhaps created the loophole
	All my posts are done from my tablet. I apologize for all strange errors in my posts... as swype hates me.


Mojochi	Wed Jun 3, 2009 1:09 am Post #1214
........................... Posts: 13,333 Group: Movie Era 10000 post spammer Member #1,478 Joined: November 14, 2007	Ok, so we've agreed that the New Locke is Jacob's rival, but you can't make the connection that the smoke monster is connected to the New Locke? Why not? The only known plot device that has shown the ability to perfectly impersonate the dead either is, or is in direct connection with the smoke monster. Eko's brother was the first impersonation that we can confirm as such, & Ben's daughter is the second. You add John Locke being impersonated, & that's a pattern In both previous cases, the impostors are creations which are uniquely effective on the individual who has just been judged by the smoke monster, (Whose bodies also happen to be on the island) & occur instantly after the judgment process has taken place, seemingly in conjunction with it's process. The smoke monster is somehow examining and/or displaying these people's lives, & is even manifesting the appropriate imagery, for them to see. Then the most integral character from their lives is manifested to confront them I never said specifically that the smoke monster IS Jacob's rival, though that is a strong possibility. I've only suggested that it is either a tool of his, or an extension of him in some way, or in some facet connected to him & his motives I've been wrong plenty of times before, but I have no doubt, that New Locke, the smoke monster & Jacob's rival are all part of the same equation, & are all likely part of his design to eliminate Jacob. The only alternative is that Jacob's rival has some other means by which he is impersonating Locke. Why would they have that, when they already have a plot device that does that very thing. why would they even be introducing a new plot device, with only 17 episodes to go?



VioletCloud	Wed Jun 3, 2009 7:19 am Post #1215
Water Tribe! Posts: 18,370 Group: Admin Member #1,331 Joined: October 14, 2007	Mojochi Jun 3 2009, 12:09 AM I've been wrong plenty of times before, but I have no doubt, that New Locke, the smoke monster & Jacob's rival are all part of the same equation, & are all likely part of his design to eliminate Jacob. The only alternative is that Jacob's rival has some other means by which he is impersonating Locke. Why would they have that, when they already have a plot device that does that very thing. why would they even be introducing a new plot device, with only 17 episodes to go? I think Jacobs rival is impersonating Locke. Jacob seemed to recognised Locke as the rival.. as I recall. How do you know that the Rival hasn't been impersonating the dead all along.. Im not sure how to explain this... but I see Jacob and his rival as "ethereal etnies" perhaps Egyptian gods locked in battle.. and the smoke monster is a neutral judgement tool... the rival has just found away to use it to his advantage in Ben's case... creating the loophole.
	All my posts are done from my tablet. I apologize for all strange errors in my posts... as swype hates me.


rab24	Wed Jun 3, 2009 7:46 pm Post #1216
Posts: 5,349 Group: 5000 post Angel Member #7 Joined: November 17, 2005	I think you are on to something Vi. With Ben's judgment, it bothered me that the smoke monster went away and then Alex came. That would work well if new Locke was watching for the smoke monster to leave so he could jump in an impersonate Alex. It is possible Eko passed the smoke monster the first time, but new Locke used his power of impersonation to push Eko far enough over the line that he failed the second time. We saw the smoke monster kill quickly without impersonating anyone several times. The way that Ben called it when Alex was killed showed it to be more of a tool. Plus Richard said the fence could keep 'other' things out, but not Richard. Since Dharma brought the bears, it would seem he was talking about about the smoke monster. For Jacob and new Locke to be limited by that fence seems a bit far fetched considering everything. We also have impersonations without the smoke monster. I'm not sold on Christian being a new Locke impersonation, but impersonation without judgment is a definite possibility.
	Your money is best spent by you. http://www.Fairtax.org


Mojochi	Wed Jun 3, 2009 9:31 pm Post #1217
........................... Posts: 13,333 Group: Movie Era 10000 post spammer Member #1,478 Joined: November 14, 2007	You guys just don't like my idea Just kidding. It is possible that they are separate entities. They just seem very involved. In Eko's case, the execution didn't take place till after he had admitted that he didn't repent, to his brother's impostor, & then it was on him in a an instant. Until then, it had been a fair amount of time since he had his judgment imagery sequence. The judgment wasn't passed until Eko admitted it to the impostor



Mojochi	Mon Jun 15, 2009 9:49 pm Post #1218
........................... Posts: 13,333 Group: Movie Era 10000 post spammer Member #1,478 Joined: November 14, 2007	So I read a crackpot theory the other day, & it just keeps sticking with me for some bizarre reason What if Jacob is Aaron? like as in he grew up, became obsessed with the fact that both his real mom & his adopted mom never came back from the island, began trying to get there, perhaps by finding Walt & working together with him. Walt is special & can astral project himself. In Jacob's flashbacks he seemingly did that too, in order to meet all the Losties, while they were off the island Aaron is special, evidenced by the moment of Charlie's death, where he begins crying. He knew Charlie had died. What if adult Aaron tries to go to the island, but somehow ends up transported back to the earliest years of the island, & because he is special, somehow becomes the guardian of it Weird huh?



wissaboo	Mon Jun 15, 2009 9:55 pm Post #1219
Posts: 25,676 Group: Admin Member #1 Joined: November 16, 2005	weird but cool



Mojochi	Mon Jun 15, 2009 10:07 pm Post #1220
........................... Posts: 13,333 Group: Movie Era 10000 post spammer Member #1,478 Joined: November 14, 2007	Probably total bullocks though



1 user reading this topic (1 Guest and 0 Anonymous)


Go to Next Page
« Previous Topic · Entertainment · Next Topic »

Pages:
1
…
60
61
62
…
84