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LOST SPOILERS; the OFFICIAL thread
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Mojochi	Sat Jan 24, 2009 1:03 am Post #781
........................... Posts: 13,333 Group: Movie Era 10000 post spammer Member #1,478 Joined: November 14, 2007	Check this out This is Horace Goodspeed, during Locke's dream. He has a nose bleed, just like Desmond got a nose bleed when shifting through time in his episode, & just like Charlotte got one, after having shifted a few times, in the premier I think headaches, & nosebleeds are the early negative effects of time shifting for some people. Maybe memory loss too Here's another interesting theory. Locke got a compass from Richard, & it time shifted with him. Maybe touching something while shifting brings it with them. That might be what's happening to Claire. Her father, Christian Shepard might have pulled her into a time shift with him, leaving Aaron by the tree



Mojochi	Sat Jan 24, 2009 5:47 am Post #782
........................... Posts: 13,333 Group: Movie Era 10000 post spammer Member #1,478 Joined: November 14, 2007	By the way, I thought I'd boast about having predicted this time shifting stuff From page 42 Mojochi May 25 2008, 08:56 AM Wouldn't it be strange if they "Moved" the island & the result is that it ends up in a different time, possibly back when Dharma was on it, & Locke turns out to have been on the island long ago, & that is why one-eyed Mikhail mentions already having known him, during their supposed first meeting? From page 30 Mojochi Mar 21 2008, 12:33 PM I'm starting to think there is a time travel paradox principle at work there, which works opposite from "Back To The Future" logic. some time theories work in a way to suggest that time is a constant, wherein individuals have no tangible effect. (i.e. returning to kill your grandfather, in order to cease your own existence wouldn't work, because the universe "Course corrects" & prevents you from killing him) Which is why Michael couldn't kill himself, because he is supposed to do something at a later time, or already has done it The second post is exactly what Farraday's theory about time is It's also why Charlie couldn't avoid dying



VioletCloud	Sat Jan 24, 2009 10:15 pm Post #783
Water Tribe! Posts: 18,370 Group: Admin Member #1,331 Joined: October 14, 2007	So Sexy Richard alpert.... knew that locke woudnt know him in the next shift... does that mean that Alpert has figured out the time shifts?
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wissaboo	Sat Jan 24, 2009 10:20 pm Post #784
Posts: 25,676 Group: Admin Member #1 Joined: November 16, 2005	but if john is the one shifting why wouldn't he know him? Sexy would have to be shifting in order for john not to know him.



Mojochi	Sat Jan 24, 2009 10:37 pm Post #785
........................... Posts: 13,333 Group: Movie Era 10000 post spammer Member #1,478 Joined: November 14, 2007	It's conceivable that John will leap back to the very first time that Richard knows him from. Probably at least 40 years before the plane crash, maybe even further back, but at least 40 years or so, because John met Richard during childhood, & Richard already knew him, in fact He had John's belongings Including the compass, which he just gave John, & told him to give it back to him the next time they meet. Richard has that compass when he meets little Locke Richard has the time shifts figured out, to what degree I don't know,



wissaboo	Sat Jan 24, 2009 10:39 pm Post #786
Posts: 25,676 Group: Admin Member #1 Joined: November 16, 2005	I don't know how you keep track of all this



VioletCloud	Sat Jan 24, 2009 10:42 pm Post #787
Water Tribe! Posts: 18,370 Group: Admin Member #1,331 Joined: October 14, 2007	So.... Locke shifts to the future and dies??
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Mojochi	Sat Jan 24, 2009 10:42 pm Post #788
........................... Posts: 13,333 Group: Movie Era 10000 post spammer Member #1,478 Joined: November 14, 2007	wissaboo Jan 25 2009, 12:39 AM I don't know how you keep track of all this Neither do I at this point, :magstar: I have started getting an intuition about the show though, where certain things that happen stick out in my mind, & those things usually end up being important later on Little Locke's scene with Richard is vividly in my memory



wissaboo	Sat Jan 24, 2009 10:43 pm Post #789
Posts: 25,676 Group: Admin Member #1 Joined: November 16, 2005	it is in mine too when you remind me



Mojochi	Sat Jan 24, 2009 10:43 pm Post #790
........................... Posts: 13,333 Group: Movie Era 10000 post spammer Member #1,478 Joined: November 14, 2007	Violet Jan 25 2009, 12:42 AM So.... Locke shifts to the future and dies?? It seems so. Locke's death is still a big fat mystery



Mojochi	Sat Jan 24, 2009 10:44 pm Post #791
........................... Posts: 13,333 Group: Movie Era 10000 post spammer Member #1,478 Joined: November 14, 2007	wissaboo Jan 25 2009, 12:43 AM it is in mine too when you remind me



VioletCloud	Sat Jan 24, 2009 10:47 pm Post #792
Water Tribe! Posts: 18,370 Group: Admin Member #1,331 Joined: October 14, 2007	I still dont get Sexy richard Alperts time shifting.. I get what you are saying.. but :magstar: maybe its too late at night for me to think!
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Mojochi	Sat Jan 24, 2009 10:51 pm Post #793
........................... Posts: 13,333 Group: Movie Era 10000 post spammer Member #1,478 Joined: November 14, 2007	I'm sure some geek out there will make a time chart eventually, with the crossing intersections between what seems to be four different groups. The Losties, the post Dharma-purge society, the Dharma era, & the Black Rock era. I think certain people from all these eras are leaping around, & making contact with each other Quote: I'm sure some geek out there will make a time chart eventually Dear God, I hope it isn't me



rab24	Sun Jan 25, 2009 12:04 am Post #794
Posts: 5,349 Group: 5000 post Angel Member #7 Joined: November 17, 2005	I don't think Richard is shifting. Richard just doesn't age which is probably related to the inability to have children born on the island. And the tracking we've seen has been of the island moving, not the time jumps. Richard showing up for Locke is the only contrary evidence, but why not tell Ethan before he tried to kill Locke if the Others were time traveling as well. The shifting started when Ben turned the wheel. That hasn't been open since the Dharma initiative, so Richard shifts should have stopped between seeing Ben as a child and present day if he was shifting. Also, the shifts are noticed by everyone and the island moves. Ethan should have been aware of quite a bit more if he had been shifting as well considering he is one of the Others. And we know Dharma wasn't shifting as shown with Faraday's jump to the time matter. As to noticing the shifts, there was one shift after Faraday talked to Desmond. I thought there was another after the arrows, but there really wasn't much story time on the island since the Desmond jump. Losties will probably kick off hostilities with Dharma in an earlier jump, but I think Dharma was trying to attack the hostiles with the flaming arrows. Since they weren't soldiers, you can forgive their lack of good tactics/ability. After the arrows, they moved in to pick up some stragglers. Were any of the 815 survivors with Richard's group when Locke met up with them at the finale last season? I'm troubled about why they didn't jump with Locke, but those people could have still been at the Temple where we wouldn't see them. For those that are jumping, 3 of them are new additions, 1 is an Other, and the rest were Losties. Certainly not all of them were touching a Lostie at the time, so why would they jump together?
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rab24	Sun Jan 25, 2009 12:08 am Post #795
Posts: 5,349 Group: 5000 post Angel Member #7 Joined: November 17, 2005	Before the flaming arrow attack they had trouble making fire and getting food which shouldn't have been problems if their camp was around. The camp will eventually go away, but I think the intended direction was that they were in the past. Dharma era based on the next scene.
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Mojochi	Sun Jan 25, 2009 5:24 am Post #796
........................... Posts: 13,333 Group: Movie Era 10000 post spammer Member #1,478 Joined: November 14, 2007	rab24 Jan 25 2009, 02:08 AM Before the flaming arrow attack they had trouble making fire and getting food which shouldn't have been problems if their camp was around. The camp will eventually go away, but I think the intended direction was that they were in the past.� Dharma era based on the next scene. That does seem plausible, but flaming arrows just doesn't seem Dharma's style, although it might have been, in the early days, before they finally decided to arm all the stations with guns Quote: I don't think Richard is shifting. Richard just doesn't age which is probably related to the inability to have children born on the island The fatal pregnancies thing could actually be another symptom of physiological effects of the temporal conditions on this island, like the nose bleeds, & headaches, & memory loss I just can't imagine any way they would correlate with one other besides that, & since time shifting has been introduced in a very huge way, it just seems more plausible to me that a guy who appears the same age in 2 or 3 widely spread time periods would be shifting also, especially if the earliest appearance of the guy has him wearing pirate type clothes In fact, the wheel that moved the island actually looks like a wheel that steers a pirate ship Not only that, but I'm beginning to think that the "Adam & Eve" corpses from season one are actually people we know, who will end up dying in the past. The writers have even hinted all along that the later developments like this would have some cool tie ins with the early seasons, so that it would be obvious that they had planned these things all along, & weren't just making it up as they went Wouldn't it be weird if it were Rose & Bernard, & they had the black & white stones with them, to be a clue to their identity, for the people in the future. The black & white couple? Ok, now I'm just waxing foolish Quote: And the tracking we've seen has been of the island moving, not the time jumps Yeah that seems right, but the two are connected. The island is moving in space & time, but so are the Losties, like Farraday's record analogy. The record is skipping, & the needle is ending up in a different place, but the song is ending up in a different time & I really doubt the Losties are the only ones, just that they are jumping together, because they are the newest people who are somehow involved with this new Ben initiated event Quote: why not tell Ethan before he tried to kill Locke if the Others were time traveling as well. Well, John is the only one who knows Ethan shot him, until he tells Richard, which was after Ethan was dead, now perhaps Richard could go back in time & tell Ethan not to do it, but maybe he didn't or wasn't able to, for whatever reason Quote: Were any of the 815 survivors with Richard's group when Locke met up with them at the finale last season I don't think so. Many of them wanted off the island. A number of them were killed by the freighter troopers, Some blew up on the freighter, & there's still at least a dozen of them on the beach now, at least until the arrow attack. I figure the people on the beach, who are shifting, are the last of the Losties. It's been a rough ride



VioletCloud	Sun Jan 25, 2009 9:18 am Post #797
Water Tribe! Posts: 18,370 Group: Admin Member #1,331 Joined: October 14, 2007	ahhh... I didnt think Sexy Alpert was shifting.. but I thought thats what you were saying Mojo! It makes more sense now! Quote: Not only that, but I'm beginning to think that the "Adam & Eve" corpses from season one are actually people we know, who will end up dying in the past. The writers have even hinted all along that the later developments like this would have some cool tie ins with the early seasons, so that it would be obvious that they had planned these things all along, & weren't just making it up as they went Wouldn't it be weird if it were Rose & Bernard, & they had the black & white stones with them, to be a clue to their identity, for the people in the future. The black & white couple? Ok, now I'm just waxing foolish I think it is someone we know too. At first, when I read that the writers had placed "Adam and Eve" to show us that they knew what they were doing all along, I assumed we would come across some story... and boom.. they would be what was left over. But as soon as they introduced time shifting.. I thought it would be someone we already know...I just couldn't think who Rose and Bernard is great! I think the black and white stones representing and interracial couple is perfect. Its a great clue.
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wissaboo	Sun Jan 25, 2009 9:28 am Post #798
Posts: 25,676 Group: Admin Member #1 Joined: November 16, 2005	I think that once the shifting starts they are all shifting. And there are multiple copies of them. So if sawyer and locke run into each other in the forest it could be the present sawyer meeting the future locke, or the present locke meeting the past sawyer. That is why they may or may not know things.



VioletCloud	Sun Jan 25, 2009 9:31 am Post #799
Water Tribe! Posts: 18,370 Group: Admin Member #1,331 Joined: October 14, 2007	:magstar: I was thinking that the losties were all shifting together. I think that if they were all shifting like that... they could end up running into two of themselves
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wissaboo	Sun Jan 25, 2009 9:45 am Post #800
Posts: 25,676 Group: Admin Member #1 Joined: November 16, 2005	Violet Jan 25 2009, 08:31 AM :magstar: I was thinking that the losties were all shifting together. I think that if they were all shifting like that... they could end up running into two of themselves well I think they are too but their past selves will be in the past



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