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Stephan Reiken Jan 9 2007, 08:14 PM Post #1
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Ok, while I understand why one would think such would happen, I do not agree.

My Sableye was invisible, right, right. Therefore, it was immune to pretty much any physical attack. It comes visible, and then gets struck by a Body Slam, damaging Sableye.

Now, Sableye is visible. But, this means that Sableye is still immune to Normal and Fighting type attacks because of his ghost type. He is vulnerable to physical attacks, Rock, Ground, Fire Punch, and other physical attacks. But, should he not retain his ability to be immune to Normal and Fighting until Foresight comes into play?


On a different note...

If Foresight is used, is Sableye weak against Fighting type attacks?
 
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He should but, once Foresight or Odor Sleuth comes into play, he is weak against Fighting types because of his Dark-type part and because his Ghost half is the only thing keeping him from being hit by Fighting moves.

Then again, Sableye is quite a strange creature considering, unlike most Ghost-types, it eats minerals and these minerals do make it incredibly solid.

But I disagree with him being immune to physical attacks (the ones you described anyways) while he's invisible. Fire Punch still gives off a lot of heat and that could damage Sableye, whether or not he's visible. Then again, that's the ref's decision and not mine. Earthquake would still affect Sableye unless it was in the air, visible or not.
 
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I think the part you're missing is that it became visible and corporeal. If you'd like to carry it that far, that it can not be struck when it is a ghost, then by the same token it can not strike when it is a ghost.

If it has no physical mass, it can not use attacks like Scratch. My view of it is that Ghost-types have the ability to take physical enough form that they can launch such attacks. By doing so, they make themselves vulnerable to physical attacks at that moment. Yes, they are normally immune, but they can be hit physically when they launch a physical attack.
 
Stephan Reiken Jan 10 2007, 12:59 PM Post #4
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I believe my Sable did, sometime in the past before the restart, have immunity to normal and fighting moves (Long before I realized that Ghost Pokemon could be invisible.), therefore no offense, but I would like a second opinion. Just want the facts straight.
 
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A Gmod has chimed in. The staff are overworked enough without having to pick out every single detail of physics as they relate to Tohea. Move on, and work the new realization into your strategy.
 
Stephan Reiken Jan 10 2007, 01:21 PM Post #6
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Hmm... Then I have another question.

When invisible, Sableye should then be invulnerable to all Physical attacks.

Now, not just 'Physical' attacks as described by the game, but what about others such as Fire, Ice, and Lightning? Those have Physical effects, would they affect something that can walk through walls? (Keep in mind, if this is no and Sableye is affected, then walking through a wall could kill Sableye just from the eletricity in the wires in the wall. Lightning.

If so, would that conclude that the only attack Sableye can get struck with (and Use while invisible) would be Psychic, Ghost, and Dark if I am not mistaken?
 
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Okay Stephan here's your second opinion :)

For your first question, everything Rachel says is true. So that's simple enough to answer.

As for your second question:

Staying/becoming invisble for a ghostpokemon takes up alot of energy. So unless you're at a really high level, your ghost pokemon can't stay invisible for that long anyway. Thus Sabeleye can't just be constantly invisible and dodge any attacks. Thus for most of its life, ghost pokemon spend them as visible beings. They only become invisble for brief moments in time, to accomplish specific goals, like sneaking up on someone.

Added to that, there is a difference between being insubstantial and invisible. A pokemon can be invisible but still be hit, and a pokemon can be insubstantial but still be seen. So when your invisible you can get hit by anything, if its the situation like Rachel said, or be it fire, lightning, etc.

No ghost pokemon is invulnerable to everything. They arn't TRUE ghosts. They are POKEMON. They arn't the dead spirits of other pokemon, they are just a different species. Even Shedninja is vulnerable to attacks that are super effective. So no ghost pokemon can remain insubstantial and thus invincible to any attack. They can phase in and out, but not for very long and at the cost of energy. The reason why most normal and fighting attacks don't hit them is because they make their bodies insubstantial for just the period of time the attack tries to hit. But if you catch a ghost pokie off guard, or if THEY are trying to attack, then their bodies are as solid as a Charmanders. Again, this is because they are POKEMON. Essentially they are "animals", Gastly has a tongue and teath, he has to eat, he as a gender and breeds, he breathes. There's a solid body there, they just have the power to make it un-solid lol.

So the short answer to your question is Sableye can be hit with fire, lighting, etc attacks EVEN when invisible, because when he's invisible he's not insubstantial.. And he can not remain insubstantial for long periods of time, and at the level he is now, he can't concentrate on being insubstantial and on attack at the same time. And if he's insubstantial for any longer than a few seconds, energy gets depeleted.

I hope that helps
 
Stephan Reiken Jan 10 2007, 01:53 PM Post #8
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Ok, that is what I'd like to know. This is the kind of thing that should be explained in the Natural Pokemon Ability thing ;).

Sounds fair, nothing comes without a price, and Nothing should be invulnerable. Hmm... Reffing before, when I did turn invisible, didn't cost energy. I'd assume that is overlooked, but from here on it this is the rules.

Thank you for clearing this up.

((Also, I wanted a Second opinon mostly because the thing I was, well complaining about shouldn't be answered by the Ref that posted it. It might not be objective, no offense intended))
 
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Question answered and topic closed
 
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