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Proposed 'Telepathic-able' Pokemon
Tweet Topic Started: Jan 5 2007, 06:12 PM (740 Views)
Deleted User Jan 6 2007, 05:18 PM Post #16
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In answer to the question about psychic types, my idea is that they have to trust the human they are being telepathic with above all else. Mewtwo is an exception because he used telepathy as a means to express his anger. An example would be my Abra on here. She can communicate with me telepathicly, and thru her I can understand Pokemon speech as if I was fluent in it. It was thru trust that my character allowed her into his mind, and her trust in him to psychicly talk with him. Pure psychics (those who have no second type) I believe have the ability to speak telepathicly. Like Ralts in the show with Max. Those that are dual types shouldn't be able to talk telepathicly, but can express their feelings thru mental links with their trainers. That's my two cents.

Those that are dual types, like Psychic/Flying or Water/Ice should only be capable of half their types abilities. Like Psychic/Flying would have the ability to fly but wouldn't have great turning control like a pure flyer, and able to project his/her feeling thru a small telepathic link.

Breathing water, I agree that all water Pokemon don't breathe water. However, they can hold their breaths fro such a long time that they can stay under water from one hour to one week before coming up for air.
 
Deleted User Jan 6 2007, 05:23 PM Post #17
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In answer to the question about psychic types, my idea is that they have to trust the human they are being telepathic with above all else. Mewtwo is an exception because he used telepathy as a means to express his anger. An example would be my Abra on here. She can communicate with me telepathicly, and thru her I can understand Pokemon speech as if I was fluent in it. It was thru trust that my character allowed her into his mind, and her trust in him to psychicly talk with him. Pure psychics (those who have no second type) I believe have the ability to speak telepathicly. Like Ralts in the show with Max. Those that are dual types shouldn't be able to talk telepathicly, but can express their feelings thru mental links with their trainers. That's my two cents.

Haha that's exactly what I said in the cbox when they asked me about this. And this still stands. Only purely psychic pokemon have the ability to speak, in words, telepathically. And from there, only to their trainer, and only if they choose to. If the pokemon is of a very high level, then they can perhaps reach out to other people, but otherwise it's just the trainer.

Other pokemon that are not purely psychic, examples being Xatu, Girafarig, Slowbro, etc. Can not use words at all (and don't try to bring up that Slowking can talk in one of the pokemon movies, cause as far as I'm concerned, there is plenty wrong with that show lol) but can have a connection to their trainers, and communicate through emotions, pictures, or whatever, depending on the pokemon, the level, etc.
 
Munchkinator Jan 6 2007, 11:02 PM Post #18
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And thats a wrap people!
 
Stephan Reiken Jan 7 2007, 08:48 AM Post #19
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Have you considered that there is no such thing is a pure flying type, therefore no Flying Pokemon can fly very good, including the Legendary birds?

So, a Pokemon with two types has 1/2 of its Resistances and Weaknesses? If you cut their abilities in half becuase of their abilities, either all or none. It makes no sense to cut their abilities in half, but yet are considered full types of both.

After all, Surely Moltres can fly much better then others. But that is a Legendary, an Exception. Jiriachi's Telepathy is just a Legendary thing as well.

What about... Heracross? If its abilities from a type are cut in half, why can it achieve the strongest of attacks from both Fighting and Bug types, and is supposed to use them both with equal effiecency.

A Pokemon with 2 types should not be denied its ability to wield both effectively, otherwise it would not have 2 types.

EDIT: Typo fix
 
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I never said effectively, I said fully. Heracross uses fighting and bug effectively, not because he uses both strengths seperately but because he's able to mix the two to make up for the lack. Heracross is as strong as a pure type, but because he's able to combine the two halves to make a full. So I'm not saying or limiting Pokemon, but giving them a new kid of strength that pure types don't have. Example: Zapados can fly and use lightning attacks. Flying types can't use electrical attacks and electrical types can't fly. Example2: Spheal can move on ice easily and able to swim in water. Water types can use ice type attacks but can't run on ice without slipping and ice types can't swim well. Spheal can't live in ice for years because the water part would freeze, and it can't swim as well in the water as a pure water type.

Flying/normal types are able to fly effectively because normal types are the equivilant of a filler. I think of normal types as filling in the gaps for other types. Kind of like pouring light blue sand into a bucket (flying) and then pouring in pure white sand till full and mixing. It would dillude the flying type, but add body and give it a new strength that would enhance the flying abilities a different way. I think a pure flying type would be more of a curse than a benefit. I think that without the normal or another type mixed with it, it wouldn't be strong enough to lift a person on it's back. Meaning it couldn't use Fly to transport a person or able to carry somone on it's back (Doduo). That's just my thought.
 
Jeanesse Jan 8 2007, 12:35 PM Post #21
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This is really all a moot point. A pokemon's abilities shouldn't be determined by the TYPE it is - rather it should be logically determined by the animal or concept that the Pokemon is BASED on.

Above, you mentioned Spheal. I'm sorry, but for an animal who has NO LEGS, instead only fins, and is based off a seal/walrus/sea lion to not be able to swim effectively is BOLLOCKS. How else will it hunt and get around? They swim. Lots. They may not be designed as the most hydrodynamic creatures but they make up for it with lots and lots and LOTS of practice. They would need to spend most of their time in water - they would barely be able to maneuver on land and would be hunted and killed if they weren't able to effectively avoid hunters etc.

So. That is just ONE example. Things with wings as large as Zapdos can, of course, fly well. Otherwise the wings would not be so well-muscled and large. Etc.

This also brings up the point someone mentioned above - not all water types can breathe water. It's all individual. It's all up to logical thought and is up to the wit of the individual mods and players, but there is simply no "blanket" abilities you can attribute based solely on type.

Well. That's my $0.02

NOTE: I personally would be more than willing to go through the entire pokedex and catalogue the abilities and traits of all the pokemon if anyone would like a list made.
 
TimBo Jan 8 2007, 12:47 PM Post #22
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I'd be willing to help out on that one Jean
 
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I'd be willing to help out on that one Jean

I'll help out too if that would be all right considering that, even in the same type, abilities and such vary.
 
Munchkinator Jan 8 2007, 05:23 PM Post #24
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I'd even pull myself out of uselessness to help with that o_O
 
Stephan Reiken Jan 8 2007, 07:11 PM Post #25
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Hmm... I'd still blanket Water types with underwater breathing. I do not know one that cannot. While it may be true that Wailord is based on a whale, he seems to breath underwater just fine. Real World physics do not always apply.

This would take some work to get together, and should probably include the 'abilities' of Pokemon as well. (Keen Eye for Wingull and Sableye.. etc.)
 
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Hmm... I'd still blanket Water types with underwater breathing. I do not know one that cannot. While it may be true that Wailord is based on a whale, he seems to breath underwater just fine. Real World physics do not always apply.

How do you propose Wailord acheives this underwater breathing? Does it use it's nonexistant gills? Or does it drown itself by opening it's blowhole? It's a whale. It's a mammalian Pokemon and it breathes air.
 
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That is just it, Wailord can breath underwater simply because it is powerful. Mammel does not apply. Pokemon have mysterious powers, unexplained and often go more often with stronger Pokemon.

It is a belief that will probably be scorned, Pokemon abide by their own standards, not ours. How does a Water Pokemon Spontaneously Combust the air? How does a Normal Pokemon somehow cause a huge blizzard to just appear?

With those Non-existant gills ;).

The point of this is that just because the Animal a Pokemon most resembles is a certain way, doesn't mean the Pokemon is.
 
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"voluntary suspension of disbelief". Pokemon being able to use fantastic attacks is one of the whole points of the Pokeverse. Whether or not they breathe air or water primarily is nowhere near debating whether or not it is physically possible to create storms of leaves or fire or whatever.

But, on the other hand, let me provide direct proof of the fact that Wailord (for example) breathes air. A QUOTE from the Emerald Version Pokedex:

"It breathes through nostrils that it raises above the sea...."

I don't understand how you expect to add more powers as pokemon become "stronger". That term is qualitative and completely irrelevant. Pokemon have limitations, boundaries, and natural laws that apply to them. The purpose of this thread wasn't to debate how Wailord breathes, but rather how we define the natural laws and saying "well, like, see, stronger pokemon can do more STUFF, right?" doesn't qualify an answer or a coherent addition to the conversation.
 
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So let me get this straight: Wailord has a blowhole because it looks cool? It does not use said blowhole to breathe air? Oh wait, Jean just proved that point.

Yes, Pokemon have mysterious powers. However, these Pokemon also follow basic biology. Mammalian-like Pokemon reproduce like monotremes, all others follow their own basic biological counterparts. Even then, Electric-types, by your example, should all gain power from being struck with electricity. However, these kinds are LIMITED to the ones who actually consume electricity (ergovores). Not all Electric-types consume electricity for energy but many do (Electabuzz, Manectric). These creatures will still eat food though, following basic biology.

Actually, most, if not all, Fire-types have a special organ inside of them to churn and create fire with. This organ is most likely filled with a special gas that ignites when it comes into contact with oxygen. With a little breathing, it can be projected. They aren't combusting the air (which is a carbon/carbon -oxide/carbohydrate + an oxygen), they are creating a chemical that bursts into flame when mixed with oxygen. This was also how many explain how the mythical dragon breathes fire.

And I seriously doubt a Water Pokemon can combust air.

Comparing Pokemon to their real life counterparts is how the creators first drew them to begin with. The Pokemon take on several characteristics of said counterparts, such as Mightyena's awesome ability to hunt in a pack or Arbok's venom and hood markings for intimidation. It is then we draw conclusions on how they live. One doesn't go around saying that Tauros is a carnivore because who cares what its counterpart is. It is a herbivore because of its counterpart being the bull.
 
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And as usual, Jean pwns everyone. Stephan, you're not going to win vs her, don't even try.
 
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