Decent "surface" rear speakers?

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Decent "surface" rear speakers?
Topic Started: Mon Oct 19, 2009 6:45 pm (119 Views)
quenching	Mon Oct 19, 2009 6:45 pm Post #1
Member Posts: 80 Group: Members Member #2,660 Joined: May 22, 2008	I need to add some rear speakers and really don't want to cut the rear shelf, so the only way around this seems to be surface speakers. Can anyone suggest the best for this compromise solution. I know I could find a replacement rear shelf and cut this but I'm feeling lazy! The only ones I can find are these Pioneer ones, but I'd prefer some decent bass and I'm not sure these can deliver it.



Richy190E	Mon Oct 19, 2009 6:54 pm Post #2
Sales Rep Posts: 1,815 Group: Members Member #1,387 Joined: June 9, 2007	Wow! How retro



sportline_stu	Mon Oct 19, 2009 6:54 pm Post #3
Member Posts: 996 Group: Members Member #2,447 Joined: March 23, 2008	I have some experience of surface speakers from years ago and to be honest none of them were that good. I'm convinced they were designed for the deck of cars where the shelf was metal and there was no other option. The size of the main driver and the quality of the housing will determine a lot of the sound quality. If you go cheap then the sound could just be tinny. However, saying that I have a Bose wave radio at home and the sound quality from two 5cm speakers in the wave housing is just awesome so maybe the speakers you have posted are significantly better than 10 years ago. What sort of music do you listen to? volume? what will be driving them? I really, really think you would be better off with a replacement shelf and regular speakers sorry! At the very least think of how they will look and also obscure some rear vision! Stu



sportline_stu	Mon Oct 19, 2009 6:55 pm Post #4
Member Posts: 996 Group: Members Member #2,447 Joined: March 23, 2008	Richy190E Mon Oct 19, 2009 6:54 pm Wow! How retro he he. reminded me of my early days of ICE fitting them in front footwells and under the dash etc!!! Stu.



quenching	Mon Oct 19, 2009 7:04 pm Post #5
Member Posts: 80 Group: Members Member #2,660 Joined: May 22, 2008	Stop taking the p*** chaps I could always hide them behind some nice cushions I suppose. The sad thing is I already have some good flush mount speakers and I'll probably end up removing the rear seats to hide wiring properly anyway. OK, then I'll just try and find a replacement rear shelf and store the original safely away



Richy190E	Mon Oct 19, 2009 7:47 pm Post #6
Sales Rep Posts: 1,815 Group: Members Member #1,387 Joined: June 9, 2007	I wasnt taking the mick, just having a scary flashback to my mums austin maestro and tinny reproduction of Belinda Carlisle. I hope you appreciate my pain, 2nd hand shelf, cut with a set of quality 6" speakers will be more than man enough. Especially if you add an active woofer below the rear bench for a subtle bass boost.



Stempies	Mon Oct 19, 2009 8:52 pm Post #7
Hot Lips Posts: 3,302 Group: Members Member #2,380 Joined: March 6, 2008	I have surface mounts, used old casings with new speakers inside! I prefer the Retro-look, no point having an old car if you don't!!



Richy190E	Mon Oct 19, 2009 8:56 pm Post #8
Sales Rep Posts: 1,815 Group: Members Member #1,387 Joined: June 9, 2007	The new ones probably (read:definately) sound better than the old "GOODMANS" ones you used to see.



stwat	Mon Oct 19, 2009 10:32 pm Post #9
Moderator Posts: 12,329 Group: Moderator Member #28 Joined: November 11, 2005	Richy190E Mon Oct 19, 2009 8:56 pm The new ones probably (read:definately) sound better than the old "GOODMANS" ones you used to see. I had some hastely fitted Goodmans ones in my first car It was an s reg Blue Mini Clubman i used to blast out new order, stone roses, happy mondays and such like at tinny high volume



Richy190E	Mon Oct 19, 2009 11:05 pm Post #10
Sales Rep Posts: 1,815 Group: Members Member #1,387 Joined: June 9, 2007	IIRC they used to fit perfectly in the rear parcel bins either side of the rear seat bench



Buggs	Tue Oct 20, 2009 12:49 am Post #11
BUGGS Posts: 275 Group: Members Member #604 Joined: October 19, 2006	hiya Quenching. i had similar problems trying to get decent bass from the back so i removered the rear cloth/hardboard shelf, used it to make an 9-12mm MDF template. Cut out the 5-6" speaker holes in the same position as the original then make 2 rings to act as a spacer for the speakers. I currently use 6" speakers from Halfords. Then cocer the lot with black/grey accoustic cloth and refit as standard. Sorry if it sounds all over the place but's not too difficult. looks neat, clean, tidy and sounds great. If you're in the London area, i'll be happy to help you out.



twopointsix	Tue Oct 20, 2009 8:18 am Post #12
Member Posts: 516 Group: Members Member #1,732 Joined: September 26, 2007	I know I could find a replacement rear shelf and cut this but I'm feeling lazy! You said it!!



quenching	Tue Oct 20, 2009 5:30 pm Post #13
Member Posts: 80 Group: Members Member #2,660 Joined: May 22, 2008	My first car was a bright yellow Datsun Sunny with a set of those Goodmans speaker in the back, would have been better off with some tin cans and a piece of string, so I do indeed appreciate your pain Richy. Appreciate the offer Buggs but I'm not even in the same country, across the water in Ireland. I think I'll just bite the bullet, stop being lazy and find myself a replacement rear shelf. Or I might get a set of those Pioneers



sportline_stu	Tue Oct 20, 2009 6:50 pm Post #14
Member Posts: 996 Group: Members Member #2,447 Joined: March 23, 2008	I also suppose it depends what you listen to. If you enjoy Radio4 or acoustic folk then fit the pods and enjoy. If you like anything I would refer to as 'music' then you will not regret the extra effort of fitting a new or replica shelf with speakers. I have fitted 10cm, 13cm and 17cm in various 190's and the 17's do provide a much better frequency response across the range. The 17's do not look too big on the shelf either. Consider components (separate mid/bass driver and tweeter with a crossover) for a cleaner sound. 6x9 speakers will present more of a fitting challenge but will provide a fuller and deeper sound if driven properly. Keep us updated! Stu.



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