Vacuum central locking and remotely controlling it?

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Vacuum central locking and remotely controlling it?
Topic Started: Mon Oct 12, 2009 10:22 am (224 Views)
EddieJT	Mon Oct 12, 2009 10:22 am Post #1
Member Posts: 90 Group: Members Member #3,103 Joined: August 16, 2008	I intend to fit an alarm to the 190 which I obviously want to control the central locking. I have discovered that the 190 has a vacuum operated central locking. Does this create issues with wiring up remote central locking to an alarm?



shrekky	Mon Oct 12, 2009 10:41 am Post #2
Member Posts: 3,918 Group: Members Member #223 Joined: March 23, 2006	yes it does with some,depends on the alarm itself..................some alarms like mine,have a facility to change from a 1 second pulse for eletric operated central locking systems to a 5 second pulse for pnuematic systems.its normally a jumper on the circuit board



kentronix	Mon Oct 12, 2009 1:25 pm Post #3
Admin Posts: 16,358 Group: Admin Member #147 Joined: January 20, 2006	^^ what he says ^^ I fitted remote central locking to my 190, I think it was the 3 second pulse that I chose, which works fine. Longer wont cause a problem, shorter will. Mine had separate wires for each output rather than a jumper to select. I think it was short pulse, long pulse (3sec), and the same as a negetive rather than positive.



EddieJT	Mon Oct 12, 2009 1:35 pm Post #4
Member Posts: 90 Group: Members Member #3,103 Joined: August 16, 2008	Right, so I need to ensure the alarm I buy can emit a long pulse for the central locking. Ebay here I come.



alan	Mon Oct 12, 2009 2:39 pm Post #5
this looks like fun Posts: 4,004 Group: Members Member #2,052 Joined: December 21, 2007	you could just rip out the pneumatic system and replace with electric it isnt hard to do just need to replace all 6 pumps



highwayman	Mon Oct 12, 2009 4:42 pm Post #6
Member Posts: 106 Group: Members Member #2,464 Joined: March 27, 2008	It shouldn�t be more than one pump in the whole system, and the is controlled by electrical signals to the central pump from the doors. When the central pump gets a signal, it creates vacuum in one of two cylinder, in each door/ boot/ gas flap, pulling/pushing the locks to control �m. To control this system remotely you need to unplug the boot or one of the two front doors signal and hijack the input to the central pump unit. There will be three cables, and one of them is the input, where you should put in either ground or +12V to lock/ unlock the doors. Sorry to make this confusing, it�s pretty simple job to do in fact. Have done it on my own and love it, never more frozen key holes in winter and feels so much cooler in summer at the beach.



EddieJT	Mon Oct 12, 2009 5:26 pm Post #7
Member Posts: 90 Group: Members Member #3,103 Joined: August 16, 2008	Great explanation ^^^ thanks.



nezamr	Sat Oct 24, 2009 3:43 pm Post #8
Member Posts: 798 Group: Members Member #2,484 Joined: April 4, 2008	Ok, i need some help! I've got 3 wires i need to find! One being a Positive line, another being a negative line and finally i need a wire that seems to go from drivers door to vaccum pump (the open/close signal?). I have: This has 4 wires coming out. One side with 3 wires and the other side with 1 wire. This one has 6 wires - 2 blue, 2 yellow, 2 green. Also the box has 2 wires that will flash the indicators when activating the central locking. If the wires are nearby i'd like to do them too! Would these be in the comfort box under the rear passenger side?



nezamr	Sat Oct 24, 2009 3:44 pm Post #9
Member Posts: 798 Group: Members Member #2,484 Joined: April 4, 2008	By the way, this is a W124 estate if it makes a difference!



ML190E	Sat Oct 24, 2009 4:22 pm Post #10
Member Posts: 225 Group: Members Member #3,261 Joined: September 18, 2008	I watched a fela fit an alarm to my car and im nearly sure the wire he tapped into for the central locking was green. Now im not completly sure so maybe someone who does know can confirm this



vindaloo	Sat Oct 24, 2009 6:55 pm Post #11
Member Posts: 91 Group: Members Member #4,073 Joined: April 19, 2009	Any idea if the Cobra Concept 650 is compatible with the 190 central locking?



stwat	Sat Oct 24, 2009 7:02 pm Post #12
Moderator Posts: 12,434 Group: Moderator Member #28 Joined: November 11, 2005	Mine has a Clifford G5 Concept 650 which works fine. I wonder if they are the same internals under a differant name? Just done a google search and can't find any mention of 'Cobra concept 650' Only Clifford. Edited by stwat, Sat Oct 24, 2009 7:09 pm.



vindaloo	Sat Oct 24, 2009 7:43 pm Post #13
Member Posts: 91 Group: Members Member #4,073 Joined: April 19, 2009	vindaloo Sat Oct 24, 2009 6:55 pm Any idea if the Cobra Concept 650 is compatible with the 190 central locking? My mistake I meant Clifford



vindaloo	Sat Oct 24, 2009 7:44 pm Post #14
Member Posts: 91 Group: Members Member #4,073 Joined: April 19, 2009	vindaloo Sat Oct 24, 2009 6:55 pm Any idea if the Cobra Concept 650 is compatible with the 190 central locking? Apologies my mistake I meant Clifford



nezamr	Sat Oct 24, 2009 7:46 pm Post #15
Member Posts: 798 Group: Members Member #2,484 Joined: April 4, 2008	ok, it's actually very easy to get the central locking working! the pump has a round 3 holed plug and a rectangle 2 holed plug. You will find the rectangle has a few red/white wires on one side, and a brown wire on the other side. The red/white wires are positive +12v and the brown wire is negative -12v. The round plug has 2 green, 2 yellow, 2 blue You have to look at the green wires and one is ever so slightly looser. That is the one you need for the actual signal! Very easy if you just want a simple remote locking. I bought THIS kit and it looks really smart. Feels just like my BMW key.



nezamr	Sat Oct 24, 2009 7:47 pm Post #16
Member Posts: 798 Group: Members Member #2,484 Joined: April 4, 2008	Only thing i havent found yet is where to connect the wires for the indicators to flash.



balamb37	Sun Oct 25, 2009 4:20 pm Post #17
Member Posts: 569 Group: Members Member #3,881 Joined: February 25, 2009	I would think interupt the wire that goes to the rear indicators, I'm not sure now as it's a long time ago since I did mine but I think it was a Black/white or black/green, Hope that helps.



Richy190E	Sun Oct 25, 2009 9:07 pm Post #18
Sales Rep Posts: 1,832 Group: Members Member #1,387 Joined: June 9, 2007	or the hazard light relay



EddieJT	Mon Oct 26, 2009 12:20 pm Post #19
Member Posts: 90 Group: Members Member #3,103 Joined: August 16, 2008	nezamr Sat Oct 24, 2009 7:46 pm ok, it's actually very easy to get the central locking working! the pump has a round 3 holed plug and a rectangle 2 holed plug. You will find the rectangle has a few red/white wires on one side, and a brown wire on the other side. The red/white wires are positive +12v and the brown wire is negative -12v. The round plug has 2 green, 2 yellow, 2 blue You have to look at the green wires and one is ever so slightly looser. That is the one you need for the actual signal! Very easy if you just want a simple remote locking. I bought THIS kit and it looks really smart. Feels just like my BMW key. Thanks for that. About to fit my ebay alarm soon, so this will take out some of the guess work/detection. Can't see which alarm you have as I'm at work and can't get on ebay but it might be the same as mine as it was possible to get it with a BMW type key. I went for the Audi flick knife job.



EddieJT	Mon Oct 26, 2009 12:46 pm Post #20
Member Posts: 90 Group: Members Member #3,103 Joined: August 16, 2008	Oh, where actually is the pump?



stwat	Mon Oct 26, 2009 4:56 pm Post #21
Moderator Posts: 12,434 Group: Moderator Member #28 Joined: November 11, 2005	EddieJT Mon Oct 26, 2009 12:46 pm Oh, where actually is the pump? The central locking pump is under the rear seat on the drivers side IIRC.



nezamr	Mon Oct 26, 2009 5:57 pm Post #22
Member Posts: 798 Group: Members Member #2,484 Joined: April 4, 2008	take the bottom of back seats off and the pump is under the drivers side. It is hidden away in some brownish foam. You need to open the foam and you will see it! If you just want to lock/unlock doors without the indicators flashing, then connecting 4 wires is all you will need to do! 30mins max. If you are going to have a gtg with Chris this weekend, i'll pop down and show you how to do it.



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