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| Topic Started: Tue Sep 22, 2009 2:03 pm (333 Views) | |
| alan | Tue Sep 22, 2009 2:03 pm Post #1 |
this looks like fun
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I'm thinking of retro fitting cruise control but from what I have read you can get bits from a w124 but would I need to get stuff from a 2ltr or would any engine size work??? What about parts from an auto being fitted to a manual is that going to cause problems I know having a clutch pedal will add problems but ill worry about that latter on |
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| rod | Tue Sep 22, 2009 2:13 pm Post #2 |
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I think the cruise control function comes as standard in the 2.6 w201 if that helps |
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| alan | Tue Sep 22, 2009 2:22 pm Post #3 |
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this looks like fun
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ok but would engine sizes not be a problem |
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| Kyliobro | Tue Sep 22, 2009 2:24 pm Post #4 |
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It was an Expensive optional extra! |
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| twopointsix | Tue Sep 22, 2009 2:40 pm Post #5 |
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It was an Expensive optional extra! Yup! Neither of my 2.6s have cruise. |
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| rhysmangatmotorsport | Tue Sep 22, 2009 5:29 pm Post #6 |
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Al I know euro car parts done a universal cruise kit before, but dunno if any1 fitted one of these.... |
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| alan | Tue Sep 22, 2009 5:53 pm Post #7 |
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not sure i would fancy a universal kit would rather build my own with proper mb parts a few people on ere have already done it |
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| Richy190E | Tue Sep 22, 2009 5:56 pm Post #8 |
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I've got a kit waiting to go on...who knows how hard it'll be to fit lol! Should help the MPG too 
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| rhysmangatmotorsport | Tue Sep 22, 2009 5:57 pm Post #9 |
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contact some breakers and get one from either a 190 or a c class, they cant be much different m8.. |
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| alan | Tue Sep 22, 2009 6:05 pm Post #10 |
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there is a write up on ere using some w124 bits and will start looking around but is engine size a variable i need to worry about. i know the loom needs to be from a manual to make life simple as it will be already sorted for the clutch rich gave you got the proper stuff of a universal kit if proper stuff is it from a 190 or another merc Edited by alan, Tue Sep 22, 2009 6:09 pm.
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| Stempies | Tue Sep 22, 2009 6:15 pm Post #11 |
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It will make MPG worse as it doesn't anticipate hills (like we can!) and the throttle buries itself into the carpet!! Cruise is a novelty for awhile but very unnerving having your foot off the throttle! |
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| Richy190E | Tue Sep 22, 2009 6:25 pm Post #12 |
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I dont follow....surely i'll have to apply throttle myself before the hill as it has no speed monitoring system. isnt it more of a throttle hold on? or does it do other stuff as well? I dont know as I just have a box full of cables and have never driven a 190e with cruise. |
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| Stempies | Tue Sep 22, 2009 6:31 pm Post #13 |
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Only driven Rover Sterlings with it, system should maintain the set speed regardless of hills etc. I tried it on a steep hill and throttle pedal disappeared to the floor, whereas i would normally apply the throttle more gently! |
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| jeremy | Wed Sep 23, 2009 5:56 am Post #14 |
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Cruise control is more economical than manual throttle , normally about 10% at least . Factory fitted kits are programmed to run as economical as possible . Why more people dont use them is a mystery . Jeremy |
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| Big Ben | Wed Sep 23, 2009 7:11 am Post #15 |
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I quite agree. I have had several cars with cruise control including a couple of manuals. I always got better economy with cruise on. Only issue is when you come up behind one of those idiots on the motorway who cannot hold a steady speed. I found it great for towing the caravan with the Disco. With a little forethought on what was ahead and behind I could sit at 60 from Exeter to The Lake District without touching the brake or throttle once! |
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| alan | Wed Sep 23, 2009 7:51 am Post #16 |
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hay thats my plans for fitting it im a lazy git lol and fuel saving is always good |
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| alan | Sat Oct 3, 2009 11:11 am Post #17 |
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started gathering the parts now ive got a wiring loom and amplifier from a 2.2 w124 auto, the lever for the 190 but the wiring loom is a bit weird looking i can see where the hall speed sensor goes, the actuator and ive fitted the other bits. But there is a load of wee bits that look outta place, they must be for the brake switch but there is so many of them. They are not connected to the main part of the loom so just wondering if they have anything to do with it or have i been sent the wrong stuff |
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| Johnboy Mac | Sat Oct 3, 2009 11:20 am Post #18 |
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Good on you for having a go at fitting it. Keep us all posted. |
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| alan | Fri Oct 9, 2009 1:44 pm Post #19 |
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ok finally got some pics of the end of the loom ay one know where they go 1  2  3  4 
Edited by alan, Wed Oct 14, 2009 2:55 pm.
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| alan | Tue Oct 13, 2009 7:23 pm Post #20 |
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any help guys can get more pics if needed |
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| Richy190E | Tue Oct 13, 2009 8:37 pm Post #21 |
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Have you tried a haynes wiring diagram |
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| alan | Wed Oct 14, 2009 7:12 am Post #22 |
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already tried that my haynes doesnt cover cruise control fitted cars and i got lost in the russian site |
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| khimani_mohiki | Wed Oct 14, 2009 12:00 pm Post #23 |
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if its anything like the W126 cruise control your gonna need a VDO throttle actuator and an amplifier/controller, neither of which will be cheap |
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| alan | Wed Oct 14, 2009 12:42 pm Post #24 |
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already got the amlifier and loom for about £35 and the hand control was about £15 new just need to get an actuator i missed one on ebay and not seen any in the breakers yet just cant understand what half the loom is for |
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| Stempies | Wed Oct 14, 2009 1:36 pm Post #25 |
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Tempomat is covered by Haynes circuit diagrams, or it is in mine!  Isn't this the one? Russian page Edited by Stempies, Wed Oct 14, 2009 1:40 pm.
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| alan | Wed Oct 14, 2009 1:48 pm Post #26 |
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cheers for that the russian site makes more sense than the wiring diagrams in haynes |
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| 190E.sg | Wed Oct 14, 2009 1:48 pm Post #27 |
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Hi Alan, I hope you have read my thread on the same subject. The wire loom for auto and manual gear is different. For manual gear, the wire loom have extra connector for the clutch pedal. This is required as while on cruise mode, applying the brake or shifting the gear will cut off cruise mode. I could not recognize the connectors in your photos. The auto gear loom is quite straight forward. I has connectors to the actuator, amplifier, brake switch, hall sensor and one to the ABS (I think) which I don't use as my car don't have ABS, switch lever and a (-) connection. Wiring diagram can be found in 190E service manual. Check it out. Let me know if you need more info. Edited by 190E.sg, Wed Oct 14, 2009 1:51 pm.
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| Stempies | Wed Oct 14, 2009 2:25 pm Post #28 |
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Not sure if this will help or hinder, believe it's for 80's Mercs (W123?)!!
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| alan | Wed Oct 14, 2009 3:11 pm Post #29 |
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190e.sg yeah thats what got me started thinking about doing this ive already thought about the clutch pedal im planning on just wiring a switch over to it from the brake i think i have got 2 looms for different things the pics show the stuff i dont understand i have sitting in front of me the main loom 190e talks about with either the bits plugged in or plugs labeled there is a yellow and green wire that comes off it and looks like it connects up to the rest of the stuff that i dont understand but somehow it must connect up to the battery through this unknown lot |
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| Richy190E | Wed Oct 14, 2009 3:29 pm Post #30 |
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Where is this hall sensor located? I cant find it. |
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| alan | Wed Oct 14, 2009 3:59 pm Post #31 |
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as far as i know it attaches to the back of the speedo |
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| alan | Thu Oct 15, 2009 8:15 am Post #32 |
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 i am wondering about post 19 pic 2 as this seems to be what plugs into the hall sender according to the part numbers for 164 but ive got 4 of them??? the part numbers for the other plugs aren't in the list from the russian site and the partd site says they are pin bushing housing so no help there |
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| Richy190E | Thu Oct 15, 2009 8:19 am Post #33 |
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Pin bushing and pin housing are the pins and recepticles in the multiplugs. Hope thats some use. |
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| alan | Thu Oct 15, 2009 8:37 am Post #34 |
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yeah i kinda gathered that just cant figure out how all this goes together i think stick it all back in the cupboard and wait till i get the hall sender unit 164 is a female socket which plugs into the main loom it has 2 more female plugs one not connected to anything (hall sender???) and one has a heavy black cable (power supply???) the rest of the second loom is spliced in non mb style so probably not needed??? does this sound right??? |
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