Members PreparingTrack Cars

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Members PreparingTrack Cars; Deifinitive List?
Topic Started: Sun Jan 11, 2009 8:06 am (900 Views)
zoomer46	Sun Jan 25, 2009 8:46 am Post #41
Member Posts: 1,210 Group: Members Member #509 Joined: September 2, 2006	rear too?good call sev, but its alot of work ,certainly easier to go outwards,and pretty sexy too.



Martrider	Thu Feb 26, 2009 1:30 pm Post #42
Longest build time in history? Posts: 1,533 Group: Members Member #2 Joined: November 2, 2005	Jeremy AMG C36 2. Zoomer46 2.5-16 Turbo 3. DaveIRL 1.837L n/a screamer 4. Carl Mcgraw 5. 80's yuppy car 2.5-16 track car 6. Gorilla klasse1 rep ? 7. Robert E 2.5-16 with standalone injection system 8. Dennis Bots 2.5 16v compressor for street/track 9. JM Motorsport - 2.5-16v 10. Martrider - 2.5-16v I've had the Valver for maybe a little over a year now, can't even remember! Rolled, crunched, but running gear straight and a good engine. The original plan was to put all of the gubbins into my Red shell with R1 Bike carb conversion from Bogg Bros - now just going to be a straight swap for the time being. Well, i ordered it, got back in touch and they said they'd sold it. Recently been made redundant, so theroetically a lot of time to spend on it! But....The cars are in the Midlands, and i am in London full time now. But....A friend of mine wants to buy my Mini, so may do the work for me and take the Mini as payment (with a cherished reg on it too). So we'll see, but i may well invoke the power of the forum, and make up a working party weekend/BBQ/insert swear word here-up at mine at some stage this summer as i suggested last year. I really want my Merc back on the road.



13B	Wed Mar 11, 2009 2:16 am Post #43
Member Posts: 88 Group: Members Member #3,939 Joined: March 11, 2009	I'm getting a 190E / turbo ready for track work in Melbourne, Australia. I'll post some pics here later. I've previously built Mazda RX2 and RX4 as well as a 450SE for track work, now is time to do something which is actually fast and handles... A couple of questions: How do I know if I have a sportline 190E? My car has 5 speed manual, 2.0 8v engine, Garrett GT25 turbo with FMIC, and turbosmart BOV... Will 225/50-15" Yokohama A032R tyres fitted to 15x7 Lorinser wheels fit under the fenders without rubbing on anything? Its currently got 195/60-15 tyres but looks like bigger would also fit. I noticed its got solid front discs, whats needed to convert it to the vented discs from the 190E 2.3? I.



Sev	Wed Mar 11, 2009 6:55 am Post #44
No Longer a Registered Member Posts: 1,981 Group: Members Member #962 Joined: February 19, 2007	13B Wed Mar 11, 2009 2:16 am I'm getting a 190E / turbo ready for track work in Melbourne, Australia. I'll post some pics here later. I've previously built Mazda RX2 and RX4 as well as a 450SE for track work, now is time to do something which is actually fast and handles... A couple of questions: How do I know if I have a sportline 190E? My car has 5 speed manual, 2.0 8v engine, Garrett GT25 turbo with FMIC, and turbosmart BOV... Will 225/50-15" Yokohama A032R tyres fitted to 15x7 Lorinser wheels fit under the fenders without rubbing on anything? Its currently got 195/60-15 tyres but looks like bigger would also fit. I noticed its got solid front discs, whats needed to convert it to the vented discs from the 190E 2.3? I. i think we've seen this car recently on ebay or pistonheads



dave_irl	Wed Mar 11, 2009 7:25 am Post #45
I love offset. Posts: 8,729 Group: Admin Member #6 Joined: November 2, 2005	13B Wed Mar 11, 2009 2:16 am I noticed its got solid front discs, whats needed to convert it to the vented discs from the 190E 2.3? Welcome You can directly bolt on the front calipers and discs from a 2.6. There are a good range of discs out there, vented and grooved/spotted though I would avoid drilled ones. A decent set of pads and some braided lines and you will have a mild upgrade with better feel and they wont fade as early. Another member here worked it out that the 2.6 brakes are not exerting any more braking effort, but it is worthwhile and cheap mod if you find your standard brakes overheat easily. You should start a new thread with some info and pics about your turbo 8v



cossie connoisseur	Wed Mar 11, 2009 7:27 am Post #46
fat tits Posts: 9,674 Group: Members Member #110 Joined: December 18, 2005	is it a 2.3-16v?



jeremy	Wed Mar 11, 2009 7:32 am Post #47
Member Posts: 6,573 Group: Members Member #2,018 Joined: December 9, 2007	Hi & welcome, Post piccies of your car, and tell us as much as you can about it. You can upgrade your brake discs to even bigger ones from a W124/202 but then you will need bigger wheels of course, I have a 2.6 and I found that using a trackday/fast road pad and dot 5 fluid, together with bleeding your brakes often, gives you much more stopping power , together with no fade, and no overheating. Jeremy



13B	Wed Mar 11, 2009 8:58 pm Post #48
Member Posts: 88 Group: Members Member #3,939 Joined: March 11, 2009	Quote: i think we've seen this car recently on ebay or pistonheads yes thats the one but don't hold it against me Quote: is it a 2.3-16v? While the 2.3-16v would seem to be the natural to turbocharge, for some reason the PO chose to turbo the plain 2.0 8v engine. It was explained to me "the engine was rebuilt for the turbo", and it certainly goes well, but I've got no supporting documentation to confirm that. A squiz inside the oil filler cap shows a squeaky-clean engine which does't look like its done many km at all. Oel pressure is better than my other MBs (a 450SE and a 6.9) never drops below 2 bar. Quote: You can directly bolt on the front calipers and discs from a 2.6. There are a good range of discs out there, vented and grooved/spotted Thanks for that, I'll visit the breakers and see what they have on hand. By directly bolt on I hope you mean that I can simply remove my existing calipers and discs, mount new vented/grooved/drilled discs on the existing hubs, bolt up the 2.6 calipers, bleed and go? The sprint events we do in Australia are 12min/heat meaning at a place like Sandown or Philip Island we can cover 7-8 hot laps. My experience with cars with similar solid/solid disc setups to the early 190E is that it will pull up very well until the brakes overheat at around 5-6 laps (or less if its a 35-40 degree day), while vented discs extend that range allowing us to go hard for the whole time out there. By contrast the S-class 450SE we compete in has large vented discs up front and large solid discs out back and with competition pads easily holds up for the whole 12 min heat. Quote: You can upgrade your brake discs to even bigger ones from a W124/202 but then you will need bigger wheels of course Thats good to know and I'll bear it in mind for the future. At the moment I have a large number of 15" R-spec Yokohama A032R semi-slick tyres to go through so the 15" wheels will remain for the time being. Quote: Post piccies of your car, and tell us as much as you can about it. I'll put some pics up over the weekend, its easier to provide info about it with the support of pictures. I do know that so far I can't see any obvious brand-name on the turbo kit other than Garrett M24 on the turbo... the other things I have noticed are that it has a BBS front bumper/spoiler, Lorinser wheels, the car has been lowered but no indication what method/brand springs have been used. Car has black leather interior, which is odd... I've never seen a 190 with leather, only cloth or MB Tex. First things for me to sort out are: replace steering wheel - it has an aftermarket 13" wheel and I prefer a 14" fix tacho - works sometime, but most of the time not install a boost gauge fix the exhaust system - it needs replacing locate a haynes manual or MB online W201 manual. (In the W116 world we use this web site for a full online service manual W116 service manual so it would be good to locate a similar W201 manual). I.



dave_irl	Thu Mar 12, 2009 10:32 pm Post #49
I love offset. Posts: 8,729 Group: Admin Member #6 Joined: November 2, 2005	13B Wed Mar 11, 2009 8:58 pm Oel pressure is better than my other MBs (a 450SE and a 6.9) never drops below 2 bar. Quote: You can directly bolt on the front calipers and discs from a 2.6. There are a good range of discs out there, vented and grooved/spotted Thanks for that, I'll visit the breakers and see what they have on hand. By directly bolt on I hope you mean that I can simply remove my existing calipers and discs, mount new vented/grooved/drilled discs on the existing hubs, bolt up the 2.6 calipers, bleed and go? Your oil pressure is actually higher than that I think, the factory gauge in the dash is not measuring Bar, its just 1,2,3, as in low, medium, and high. Unless you have an aftermarket oil pressure gauge showing just 2 Bar, which I would be surprised at! Maybe it is, but thats my hunch for now. My new gauge yet to be connected, has a range of 0-14 Bar, with the low pressure warning (adjustable) currently set to 1.7Bar out of the box. As soon as I get a sandwich plate and some adaptors Ill do some proper readings. EDIT: I was wrong on the oil pressure thing, it is bar. Read it in an MB engine manual. Sorry! And yes, thats the beauty of the 2.6 front brake swap, sounds perfect for your application. Id be interested to see how they last the full session with some good discs and pads. Good move on the 350mm (14") steering wheel too, try get one with a bit of dish too, it will let you stretch your legs a bit and improve the driving position. Are you still using normal interior for the track work? At the very least you will need a CG-Lock attachment for your seat belt.. Looking forward to the pics, the spec list makes for nice reading so far Edited by dave_irl, Wed Mar 18, 2009 6:18 pm.



13B	Fri Mar 13, 2009 11:15 pm Post #50
Member Posts: 88 Group: Members Member #3,939 Joined: March 11, 2009	I've created its own thread for this car. You can pick this topic of discussion up there. I.



bahaimus	Fri Jul 24, 2009 10:06 am Post #51
Newbie Posts: 45 Group: Members Member #1,218 Joined: April 30, 2007	This thread went a bit quiet 1. Jeremy AMG C36 2. Zoomer46 2.5-16 Turbo 3. DaveIRL 1.837L n/a screamer 4. Carl Mcgraw 5. 80's yuppy car 2.5-16 track car 6. Gorilla klasse1 rep ? 7. Robert E 2.5-16 with standalone injection system 8. Dennis Bots 2.5 16v compressor for street/track 9. JM Motorsport - 2.5-16v 10. Martrider - 2.5-16v 11. Bahaimus - 3.0-24v, ITB's, 6sp



Martrider	Fri Jul 24, 2009 10:23 am Post #52
Longest build time in history? Posts: 1,533 Group: Members Member #2 Joined: November 2, 2005	It did actually, my plans have changed a little, getting hold of more and more parts which is good, Now, it going to be: A rebodied 2.5-16 into my Red Shell, 300-TE Calipers all round with vented discs, Koni Adjustables all round SLS-Already gone, I already have a 2.3-16 LSD as the donor was originally a 2.3 with a 2.5 swapped in. Bogg Brothers R1 Bike Carbs Megajolt control, courtesy of Dave_Irls now deceased project Possibly a stripped interior and half roll cage - haven't decided. Pacet Fan and New Rad And, a trailor. And as of this weekend, the car will be up on stands in a fully prepped garage, can't wait! (Neither can my parents! At least the drive will look less of a salvage yard!) Still have a W123 230E up for grabs and a W210 E300 TD which needs suspension mounts rebuilt if anybody is interested? Plus loads of spares from both W201 cars - see my for sale thread and inquire if not posted up.



tomas	Thu Aug 13, 2009 8:18 pm Post #53
Newbie Posts: 6 Group: Members Member #2,099 Joined: January 2, 2008	me!



kentronix	Thu Aug 13, 2009 8:32 pm Post #54
Admin Posts: 16,358 Group: Admin Member #147 Joined: January 20, 2006	Best declare my intentions too Tomas, stick yourself on the end........ It seems hugh dropped off at some point, is that right ? 1. Jeremy AMG C36 2. Zoomer46 2.5-16 Turbo 3. DaveIRL 1.837L n/a screamer 4. Carl Mcgraw 5. 80's yuppy car 2.5-16 track car 6. Gorilla klasse1 rep ? 7. Robert E 2.5-16 with standalone injection system 8. Dennis Bots 2.5 16v compressor for street/track 9. JM Motorsport - 2.5-16v 10. Martrider - 2.5-16v 11. Kentronix - 3.0-12v supercharged. Daily cruiser and leather clad track toy.



tomas	Fri Aug 14, 2009 4:18 pm Post #55
Newbie Posts: 6 Group: Members Member #2,099 Joined: January 2, 2008	. Jeremy AMG C36 2. Zoomer46 2.5-16 Turbo 3. DaveIRL 1.837L n/a screamer 4. Carl Mcgraw 5. 80's yuppy car 2.5-16 track car 6. Gorilla klasse1 rep ? 7. Robert E 2.5-16 with standalone injection system 8. Dennis Bots 2.5 16v compressor for street/track 9. JM Motorsport - 2.5-16v 10. Martrider - 2.5-16v 11. Kentronix - 3.0-12v supercharged. Daily cruiser and leather clad track toy. 12. Tomas - 2.3-16 track only.



billinjah	Tue Sep 22, 2009 10:06 pm Post #56
Member Posts: 60 Group: Members Member #4,658 Joined: September 18, 2009	ive bought one thats kinda 99% done but i normally build show cars so im gonna have to pretty it up a bit!



jeremy	Wed Sep 23, 2009 5:11 am Post #57
Member Posts: 6,573 Group: Members Member #2,018 Joined: December 9, 2007	billinjah Tue Sep 22, 2009 10:06 pm ive bought one thats kinda 99% done but i normally build show cars so im gonna have to pretty it up a bit! WE need piccies.....! Jeremy



billinjah	Wed Sep 23, 2009 11:54 pm Post #58
Member Posts: 60 Group: Members Member #4,658 Joined: September 18, 2009	collecting later today so piccies will be provided asap!



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