Members PreparingTrack Cars

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Members PreparingTrack Cars; Deifinitive List?
Topic Started: Sun Jan 11, 2009 8:06 am (899 Views)
jeremy	Sun Jan 11, 2009 8:06 am Post #1
Member Posts: 6,567 Group: Members Member #2,018 Joined: December 9, 2007	I am starting a list of all members preparing 190 track machines. Please add your name & car. Could a mod/admin move this to racing section. 1. Jeremy AMG C36 2. Zoomer46 2.5-16 Turbo 3. DaveIRL 4. Carl Mcgraw 5. 80's yuppy car 6. Gorilla Jeremy Edited by jeremy, Sun Jan 11, 2009 8:07 am.



RobertE	Sun Jan 11, 2009 8:25 am Post #2
Serial victim... Posts: 6,874 Group: Members Member #1,403 Joined: June 13, 2007	1. Jeremy AMG C36 2. Zoomer46 2.5-16 Turbo 3. DaveIRL 4. Carl Mcgraw 5. 80's yuppy car 6. Gorilla 7. Robert E



Russell	Sun Jan 11, 2009 8:27 am Post #3
Can now officially play at being Victor Maitland at the weekends :) Posts: 5,073 Group: Members Member #3,320 Joined: September 30, 2008	Quite a list, looking forward to progress ideas / pics!



jeremy	Sun Jan 11, 2009 8:32 am Post #4
Member Posts: 6,567 Group: Members Member #2,018 Joined: December 9, 2007	Russell Sun Jan 11, 2009 8:27 am Quite a list, looking forward to progress ideas / pics! Thats the idea , Russ, an inspiration thread. Jeremy



Russell	Sun Jan 11, 2009 8:35 am Post #5
Can now officially play at being Victor Maitland at the weekends :) Posts: 5,073 Group: Members Member #3,320 Joined: September 30, 2008	A track car inspiration thread would be ace and would make for very interesting reading im sure - track experiences could be fed in also to help / warn others of various occurences!!



zoomer46	Sun Jan 11, 2009 8:51 am Post #6
Member Posts: 1,210 Group: Members Member #509 Joined: September 2, 2006	jeremy Sun Jan 11, 2009 8:32 am Russell Sun Jan 11, 2009 8:27 am Quite a list, looking forward to progress ideas / pics! Thats the idea , Russ, an inspiration thread. Jeremy and bottomless pit of money thread for a few of us, but these a great track car and are largely wasted by improving them and only using them on the road,no matter what 190 you have you will never embarrass yourself on the track, so mods can we now have a PROPER TRACK DAY SECTION , that we can start threads in, it subject that cannot be generalised the way it currrently is in the way its set out at the mo and is basically dead there. we need to be able to discuss individual matters on track prep and improvments . its not a bad time in some ways to make a track car,what with cossies being so cheap ,some lowering springs and better brake pads and brake fluid and you got yourself a potent track tool thats fast and easy to drive on the limit on the track.get a cheap 2.3-16 say , that has at least the engine that runs well,and take it from there,under �1500 and you got something that will give type 'r' honda's , 944's ,etc complete grief on the track. Edited by zoomer46, Sun Jan 11, 2009 8:52 am.



matth190	Sun Jan 11, 2009 9:11 am Post #7
super idiot Posts: 3,301 Group: Members Member #3,508 Joined: November 18, 2008	20 Diesel is good for a track day!



zoomer46	Sun Jan 11, 2009 9:29 am Post #8
Member Posts: 1,210 Group: Members Member #509 Joined: September 2, 2006	especially 2.0d !!!!!!!!!!!



matth190	Sun Jan 11, 2009 9:31 am Post #9
super idiot Posts: 3,301 Group: Members Member #3,508 Joined: November 18, 2008	I'm in it than!



jeremy	Sun Jan 11, 2009 9:47 am Post #10
Member Posts: 6,567 Group: Members Member #2,018 Joined: December 9, 2007	matth190 Sun Jan 11, 2009 9:11 am 20 Diesel is good for a track day! Oh, Purrlease....... Jeremy



RobertE	Sun Jan 11, 2009 10:34 am Post #11
Serial victim... Posts: 6,874 Group: Members Member #1,403 Joined: June 13, 2007	Quite handy if it has a tow bar, to tug away the valver with the f'ed engine...



zoomer46	Sun Jan 11, 2009 11:12 am Post #12
Member Posts: 1,210 Group: Members Member #509 Joined: September 2, 2006	mathh's gonna have the 1st track diesel 190 !woohoo! see you at hockenheim 16v gtg (just change the badge on the back,they will never know...)



matth190	Sun Jan 11, 2009 11:49 am Post #13
super idiot Posts: 3,301 Group: Members Member #3,508 Joined: November 18, 2008	I'll be there, and I'll hunt you down all of you!!!!!!!!! It's a DIESEL POWER!!!!



NEIL	Sun Jan 11, 2009 1:15 pm Post #14
Fewer Posts than Kenny Posts: 16,151 Group: Members Member #63 Joined: November 18, 2005	zoomer46 Sun Jan 11, 2009 8:51 am so mods can we now have a PROPER TRACK DAY SECTION , that we can start threads in, it subject that cannot be generalised the way it currrently is in the way its set out at the mo and is basically dead there. we need to be able to discuss individual matters on track prep and improvments . Seconded, 2009 is the year of the homegrown track-car! Honestly, a part of me would rather spend �1500 throwing a 2.5-16 drivetrain and nice suspension into my own car than take the chance on a thrashed Valver. As if I'm gonna manage that anytime soon, though.



JM Motorsport	Sun Jan 11, 2009 4:07 pm Post #15
Member Posts: 904 Group: Members Member #398 Joined: July 11, 2006	I am, even though it wont see much action in the uk, but hopefully at the Hock, if i finish it in time that is..



jeremy	Sun Jan 11, 2009 6:51 pm Post #16
Member Posts: 6,567 Group: Members Member #2,018 Joined: December 9, 2007	Add your names to the list, plz. Jeremy



Matt	Sun Jan 11, 2009 6:58 pm Post #17
Administrator - Hawk Eye Posts: 14,126 Group: Admin Member #20 Joined: November 8, 2005	NEIL Sun Jan 11, 2009 1:15 pm zoomer46 Sun Jan 11, 2009 8:51 am so mods can we now have a PROPER TRACK DAY SECTION , that we can start threads in, it subject that cannot be generalised the way it currrently is in the way its set out at the mo and is basically dead there. we need to be able to discuss individual matters on track prep and improvments . Seconded, 2009 is the year of the homegrown track-car! Guys you have got a section which is more than suitable for discussing track prep. Each section is covered so discuss away about the prep



dennisbots	Sun Jan 11, 2009 7:00 pm Post #18
Member Posts: 554 Group: Members Member #1,903 Joined: November 10, 2007	1. Jeremy AMG C36 2. Zoomer46 2.5-16 Turbo 3. DaveIRL 4. Carl Mcgraw 5. 80's yuppy car 6. Gorilla 7. Robert E 8. Dennis Bots 2.5 16v compressor for street/track



JM Motorsport	Sun Jan 11, 2009 7:03 pm Post #19
Member Posts: 904 Group: Members Member #398 Joined: July 11, 2006	1. Jeremy AMG C36 2. Zoomer46 2.5-16 Turbo 3. DaveIRL 4. Carl Mcgraw 5. 80's yuppy car 6. Gorilla 7. Robert E 8. Dennis Bots 2.5 16v compressor for street/track 9. JM Motorsport - 2.5-16v



zoomer46	Sun Jan 11, 2009 9:02 pm Post #20
Member Posts: 1,210 Group: Members Member #509 Joined: September 2, 2006	Matt Sun Jan 11, 2009 6:58 pm NEIL Sun Jan 11, 2009 1:15 pm zoomer46 Sun Jan 11, 2009 8:51 am so mods can we now have a PROPER TRACK DAY SECTION , that we can start threads in, it subject that cannot be generalised the way it currrently is in the way its set out at the mo and is basically dead there. we need to be able to discuss individual matters on track prep and improvments . Seconded, 2009 is the year of the homegrown track-car! Guys you have got a section which is more than suitable for discussing track prep. Each section is covered so discuss away about the prep no you're wrong ,its no good just pinning subjects,threads yes ,but not whole subjects, that section is not workin for a reason,and its not through lack of interest, if we start posting there the subjects will get so long that you will never get to find anything you are looking for , there is at least 9 of us who are seriously into this thing and no-one is using it. every time i try to start a thread in the track section it says i'm not permitted,how did jeremy do it? did you move it?



Matt	Sun Jan 11, 2009 10:38 pm Post #21
Administrator - Hawk Eye Posts: 14,126 Group: Admin Member #20 Joined: November 8, 2005	The idea is to keep everything in order and to stop threads getting lost. So if a new member wants to look into track info, he can start at the beginning and read through peoples posts rather than having a mine field of threads.



zoomer46	Sun Jan 11, 2009 10:45 pm Post #22
Member Posts: 1,210 Group: Members Member #509 Joined: September 2, 2006	its alot easier than a mine field of posts..



Enthusiast	Mon Jan 12, 2009 11:24 am Post #23
Member Posts: 572 Group: Members Member #517 Joined: September 7, 2006	16v's were for road and track � !! Think "we" should have a special's section so you can see each car and mods spreadsheet like .



The Gorilla	Mon Jan 12, 2009 4:36 pm Post #24
Member Posts: 307 Group: Members Member #3,610 Joined: December 10, 2008	Hi, Blimey, seems like the Track Bug is turning into some sort of epidemic. One thing is for sure, what ever your build program and budget be prepared to extend both dramatically. On the topic of Track Cars somebody please confirm, are all the 190 shells the same, or are there some differences which tends to be my own chain of thought ? Many thanks, Regards, The Gorilla.



jeremy	Mon Jan 12, 2009 5:20 pm Post #25
Member Posts: 6,567 Group: Members Member #2,018 Joined: December 9, 2007	Hi Gorilla, apart from details like engine mounts for 4 & 6 cylinder models I think that basically , all 190 shells are more or less identical.,there are some suspension differences on the valvers, but thats about it - I think? Jeremy



NEIL	Mon Jan 12, 2009 5:37 pm Post #26
Fewer Posts than Kenny Posts: 16,151 Group: Members Member #63 Joined: November 18, 2005	There will no doubt be a few 'invisible' changes that MB made over the years to the W201 chassis, as is typical with most German cars of that era - MTI is usually clued-up on such things.



zoomer46	Mon Jan 12, 2009 10:37 pm Post #27
Member Posts: 1,210 Group: Members Member #509 Joined: September 2, 2006	the inner arches on evo's are different ,a least at the front,deeper apparently.



Matt	Mon Jan 12, 2009 10:52 pm Post #28
Administrator - Hawk Eye Posts: 14,126 Group: Admin Member #20 Joined: November 8, 2005	zoomer46 Mon Jan 12, 2009 10:37 pm the inner arches on evo's are different ,a least at the front,deeper apparently. Yes, they are different front and rear.



HughF	Wed Jan 14, 2009 11:58 am Post #29
Member Posts: 223 Group: Members Member #380 Joined: June 29, 2006	1. Jeremy AMG C36 2. Zoomer46 2.5-16 Turbo 3. DaveIRL 4. Carl Mcgraw 5. 80's yuppy car 6. Gorilla 7. Robert E 8. Dennis Bots 2.5 16v compressor for street/track 9. JM Motorsport - 2.5-16v 10. HughF's OM606 diesel project - aiming for 300hp and still passing emmisions - daily drive and track toy



zoomer46	Wed Jan 14, 2009 1:07 pm Post #30
Member Posts: 1,210 Group: Members Member #509 Joined: September 2, 2006	wow ,i'd like to see the build thread on that! and i'm sure the other diesel/veggie boys would too. i can see a diesel performance additives thread coming..



HughF	Wed Jan 14, 2009 9:18 pm Post #31
Member Posts: 223 Group: Members Member #380 Joined: June 29, 2006	After shunning away from the 606 idea due to possible weight issues, and thinking about putting a VAG TDI150 motor in it, then being convinced by the boys on the tdiclub that this was a bad idea, I'm back to researching the 606 idea... Trying to figure out if it would be too heavy at the moment, and drawing the conclusion that it 'probably' wouldn't be. If you can get a c36 motor to work ok in a w201, then a 606 would probably be okay as well... I think I've got the turbo plans sorted, garrett gt2559v VNT with mechanical control, it will be coupled to a getrag, driving a w124 diesel differential. I just need to find out where to get a turbo capable w124 300td injection pump from... I'm looking to europe at the moment for that one. Blasting round castle combe on a tank of B100 or even cherryade sure would be fun Edited by HughF, Wed Jan 14, 2009 9:20 pm.



zoomer46	Wed Jan 14, 2009 9:30 pm Post #32
Member Posts: 1,210 Group: Members Member #509 Joined: September 2, 2006	maybe contact the guy on youtube who has the w123 turbo supercharged car doing donuts near the wall, i'm sure he was getting huge power from that thing, http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=czV3fwZ73gc



HughF	Wed Jan 14, 2009 9:37 pm Post #33
Member Posts: 223 Group: Members Member #380 Joined: June 29, 2006	Oh yes, got some build photo's of that one. It's turbo'd (holset of course) and supercharged It'll have a myna diesel injection pump (finnish injection pump guru's), but I need a Bosch M series core to send to them for upgrade! I wish my old w123 estate was as pristine as that instead of being a rust pit Edited by HughF, Wed Jan 14, 2009 9:38 pm.



jeremy	Wed Jan 14, 2009 9:37 pm Post #34
Member Posts: 6,567 Group: Members Member #2,018 Joined: December 9, 2007	HughF Wed Jan 14, 2009 11:58 am 1. Jeremy AMG C36 2. Zoomer46 2.5-16 Turbo 3. DaveIRL 4. Carl Mcgraw 5. 80's yuppy car 6. Gorilla 7. Robert E 8. Dennis Bots 2.5 16v compressor for street/track 9. JM Motorsport - 2.5-16v 10. HughF's OM606 diesel project - aiming for 300hp and still passing emmisions - daily drive and track toy Could members please add the cars that they are preparing to the list. Jeremy



Sev	Wed Jan 14, 2009 9:43 pm Post #35
No Longer a Registered Member Posts: 1,981 Group: Members Member #962 Joined: February 19, 2007	i'm preparing a track car. i've gutted out the interior, and the 16v engine is almost ready to go in. the suspension is almost sorted, just need to install the swaybars. so yeah, i'm doing it, but it's a long-term project for me that i work on 'whenever i've got time'. which is about an hour a week or so



zoomer46	Wed Jan 14, 2009 11:21 pm Post #36
Member Posts: 1,210 Group: Members Member #509 Joined: September 2, 2006	Jeremy AMG C36 2. Zoomer46 2.5-16 Turbo 3. DaveIRL 1.837L n/a screamer 4. Carl Mcgraw 5. 80's yuppy car 2.5-16 track car 6. Gorilla klasse1 rep ? 7. Robert E 2.5-16 with standalone injection system 8. Dennis Bots 2.5 16v compressor for street/track 9. JM Motorsport - 2.5-16v filled in some,but i'm not sure about others though. Edited by zoomer46, Wed Jan 14, 2009 11:22 pm.



jeremy	Thu Jan 15, 2009 8:35 am Post #37
Member Posts: 6,567 Group: Members Member #2,018 Joined: December 9, 2007	zoomer46 Wed Jan 14, 2009 11:21 pm 1. Jeremy AMG C36 + Forced Induction 2. Zoomer46 2.5-16 Turbo 3. DaveIRL 1.837L n/a screamer 4. Carl Mcgraw 5. 80's yuppy car 2.5-16 track car 6. Gorilla klasse1 rep ? 7. Robert E 2.5-16 with standalone injection system 8. Dennis Bots 2.5 16v compressor for street/track 9. JM Motorsport - 2.5-16v filled in some,but i'm not sure about others though.



The Gorilla	Thu Jan 15, 2009 8:51 am Post #38
Member Posts: 307 Group: Members Member #3,610 Joined: December 10, 2008	Hi, I was thinking along the lines of a Klasse 1 / modern day modification, but am still playing around with ideas. Not 100% sure if a Klasse 1 kit on a car used on the road is not just inviting problems ? I would like to keep it road useable, and with that comes some compromise. In the past I have always ended up with something that is just Track/Race focused, making road use alomst useless. I did at one stage consider an early C36 AMG with Hydro Clutch, and convert it to a 5 speed Manual, 16v Dog leg box bolts straight up, with 2.6 Flywheel and sachs clutch, and go from there, but its not quite a 190. Regards, The Gorilla



zoomer46	Thu Jan 15, 2009 4:29 pm Post #39
Member Posts: 1,210 Group: Members Member #509 Joined: September 2, 2006	gorilla , the big part about a klasse1 car is the stance of the machine,there are endless amounts of pictures showing evo2's sitting up like a 4x4, as its the only easy way of using them off the track,and as you know i'm a huge fan of the klasse1 more than anything in the world but if it has to have a 3'' gap from the tyres to the arch,its going to look like crap, which is why nowadays i'm looking at big arches still but some where i can dictate the arch height and not the other way round to keeep 'the look'right , although i'm not into the show-off side,like a hanging picture on the wall that is crooked its would annoy me really quickly, the latest thing i'm into is the m3 gtr arches,either e36 or e46, i'm sure it would look fine on a 190a klasse1 front spoiler and custom sills.. but a klasse1 only for the road may look odd as it rely's on the wheels sitting high in the arches,but maybe mounting the arches a little lower will at least give the car a reasonable ride height, one thing i'm looking into is using airbags in the springs to raise the height for road use,but it seems a possibility that because of the shape of the springs it may only serve the purpose of stiffening the suspension a sahtey are not that wide, only other solution there is make a separate area between the chassis and the suspension arm? we already have an airbag thread going.



Sev	Sun Jan 18, 2009 9:00 am Post #40
No Longer a Registered Member Posts: 1,981 Group: Members Member #962 Joined: February 19, 2007	zoomer46 Mon Jan 12, 2009 10:37 pm the inner arches on evo's are different ,a least at the front,deeper apparently. in the rear, also.



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