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| ** The 16x8" EVO-1 Wheels FAQ Thread ** | |
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| Topic Started: Thu Dec 18, 2008 12:55 pm (1,429 Views) | |
| NEIL | Thu Dec 18, 2008 12:55 pm Post #1 |
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Right folks, it's time we sewed this one up once and for all. These wheels are a very, very popular upgrade for our cars, and the same old questions pop up time and time again. We should endeavour to collate all known info on them, into ONE thread! Please feel at liberty to contribute related facts, figures and pictures as you see fit. Do not spam this thread, it should serve as a guide. Original Equipment These wheels were supplied as original equipment by Mercedes-Benz on the following vehicles: W201 190E 2.5-16 Evolution R129 300SL R129 500SL R129 SL320 R129 SL500 Part Numbers- These, like many other MB part numbers, are updated at will and without notice. There is more than one Part Number for these wheels, but the design & construction remained the same. A 129 400 0102 Rim Dimensions Diameter : 16 inches Width : 8 inches Offset : ET 34 Markings : 16x8J H2 ET34 Bolts/Lugs - There are at least two known Part Numbers Original : MA0009901007 - Long-Shanked Replaced by : MA0009904807 - Short-Shanked Also : B66470101 - Set of 5 Long-Shank Lugs with Polished Heads, 1 Tyre Valve & 1 Plain Silver Centre Cap (possibly now discontinued) All numbers may be found if buying New Old Stock (on eBay, for example) Locking Lugs : awaiting information Centre Caps - 75mm Diameter Originally supplied with 'plain' silver MB Star centre-caps (no chrome) - awaiting individual Part Number info for those. Other options include the Blue Wreath or Black Wreath 'Roadster' centre caps, or B66470202 - Silver with chrome 3-pointed stars, as in the picture below:  Recommended Tyre Sizes & Brands 225/45/16 is generally regarded as the ideal tyre size to make the most of the 8-inch rim width, and sufficiently clear the arches on even mildly lowered W201s. 215/50/16 are technically the same rolling radius as the OE 185/65/15 tyres supplied on many W201s, but they do cause a tiny bit of rubbing and are not recommended. In terms of brands, users on this site have so far expressed positive feedback from: Continental Sport Contact 2 Toyo Proxes T1-S Kumho Ecsta Sport KU31 Kumho Ecsta Sport 712 Edited by NEIL, Thu Dec 18, 2008 4:48 pm.
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| cossie connoisseur | Thu Dec 18, 2008 1:04 pm Post #2 |
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khumo's are very good al round tyre. |
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| RobertE | Thu Dec 18, 2008 1:20 pm Post #3 |
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A small point - I bought short-shanked lugs on that 1007 part number in April 2008, which is probably why they changed it to 4807, to avoid confusion. But as I pointed out on another thread, if you buy (e-bay) on part number alone, you therefore might get either. |
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| Matt | Thu Dec 18, 2008 1:26 pm Post #4 |
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I have just pinned this Neil. Good work 
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| zoomer46 | Thu Dec 18, 2008 2:58 pm Post #5 |
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my toyo's poxy's are good ,but too deep for track work,but great in the wet,and good ride quality. 
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| RobertE | Thu Dec 18, 2008 3:04 pm Post #6 |
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A few people on here have been a bit rude about Avons, but think about them. I couldn't find a Michelin in that size, btw, but that was only an over-the-counter request. Also Fulda, but uncertain about availability. |
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| NEIL | Fri Dec 19, 2008 10:29 am Post #7 |
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Online Tyre Prices as of 19.12.08 225/45/16s Avon ZZ3 : £66.60 - Camskill Toyo T1R : £63.71 - Camskill / £73.23 - BlackCircles Falken 452 : £61.50 - Camskill / £69.39 - BlackCircles Kumho KU31 : £53.04 - Camskill / £69.39 - BlackCircles Edited by NEIL, Fri Dec 19, 2008 10:29 am.
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| Nath_XPR | Wed Dec 24, 2008 5:38 pm Post #8 |
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Looks like I have the last of the Long-Shank Lugs with Polished Heads!  I orderd B66470101 - Set of 5 Long-Shank Lugs with Polished Heads, 1 Tyre Valve & 1 Plain Silver Centre Cap (Thanks to neil) and this is the email I got from them; Hello Sir Part number A2018310225 is here 3 of the 4 wheel bolt sets are here , they are now discontinued but I have located 1 from another dealer and am awaiting delivery. Regards Domenico Aquino. So I think this may be the last of the new oem lugs, as the part number for just the long or short shank lugs do not work 
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| NEIL | Wed Dec 24, 2008 6:19 pm Post #9 |
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One question; Who is 'them' ...? |
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| Nath_XPR | Wed Dec 24, 2008 6:28 pm Post #10 |
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Sorry its Mercedes benz parts UK Edited by Nath_XPR, Wed Dec 24, 2008 6:37 pm.
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| matth190 | Wed Dec 24, 2008 7:17 pm Post #11 |
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Toyo Tyres are fabs!! Ordering mine soon from my next door dealer! |
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| hitenb | Wed Dec 24, 2008 11:47 pm Post #12 |
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I've got my evo 1's on Fulda's in the aforementioned size. I managed to get the rims with the polished lugs too. Also got a brand new set of all-grey centre caps if anyone is interested in having them. I've no issues with the Fuldas, however - I've not pushed the car with them as much as I have with the P6000s, so I'm afraid I can't give an in-depth opinion about the tires, but generally they've been ok. Oh.. they make a little more noise than the P6000's, not fair to compare different sized tires TBH.. oh well... |
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| hitenb | Thu Apr 2, 2009 9:07 pm Post #13 |
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Word of warning: if your car has a 60mm drop up front with a Cosworth kit then avoid 225/45/16... you will most def. get rubbing issues. |
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| toff190 | Thu Apr 2, 2009 9:41 pm Post #14 |
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Hiten, think its only on your mate, you might have to go for 215/45/16's Jeremy's on 225/45/16's with no issues |
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| kentronix | Thu Apr 2, 2009 9:55 pm Post #15 |
Admin, if only I could shut up for a week or halfords had an autoglym sale neil would overtake
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is jeremy that low ? |
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| Johnboy Mac | Thu Apr 2, 2009 10:03 pm Post #16 |
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Had no problems getting Fulda's 225/45/16. Seem to be good alround, after 6k mls not showing any excessive ware and reasonable cost. |
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| toff190 | Thu Apr 2, 2009 10:04 pm Post #17 |
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Thinking about it hes not, Hiten's car is 20mm lower. |
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| kentronix | Thu Apr 2, 2009 10:07 pm Post #18 |
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Admin, if only I could shut up for a week or halfords had an autoglym sale neil would overtake
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I think its a combination of things that happens to be unlucky for hiten, Plus from experience not all 190s are exactly the same, which is why people are a tad cautious about advising about rubbing when its a close call
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| MICHAEL | Thu Apr 2, 2009 10:09 pm Post #19 |
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Anthony, tyre types aside, that's a beautiful 2.5-16. 
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| Johnboy Mac | Thu Apr 2, 2009 10:28 pm Post #20 |
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Question: Does anybody know the difference in weight between the original 15'' (forged) alloys and the 16'' ? I presuming the 16'' are not forged and I think Neil would be in agreement. |
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| Johnboy Mac | Thu Apr 2, 2009 10:29 pm Post #21 |
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It's a lovely and a credit to you Zoomer. |
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| hitenb | Fri Apr 3, 2009 6:52 am Post #22 |
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True say.. I looked through many pictures and also did a quick measure the other day and I think I'm one of the only guys with a 60mm drop running that rim and tyre combo.. Have a look at the pic below, the gap between the tyre and arch is really small.  From visual inspection the other day Jeremy's car looks much higher than mine. |
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| toff190 | Fri Apr 3, 2009 6:59 am Post #23 |
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Thats one sexy car Hiten. |
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| hitenb | Fri Apr 3, 2009 7:01 am Post #24 |
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Thanks mate
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| jeremy | Fri Apr 3, 2009 7:01 am Post #25 |
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It is, mines not lowered at all........yet. Jeremy |
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| RobertE | Fri Apr 3, 2009 8:11 am Post #26 |
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I've just weighed one of the 15" Cosworth wheels and it looks like about 7 kilos without paint. I don't have a tyre-less Evo 1 at present for comparison but, iirc, it is much, much heavier, possibly by as much as twice. Technically, the forged 15" Cossie wheels are hugely superior to the cast Evos - stronger, lighter, denser; I don't know whether the metal is magnesium elektron, but they are about three times the price! |
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| Johnboy Mac | Fri Apr 3, 2009 9:48 am Post #27 |
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Robert if you do get the chance please weigh the 16''. I'm not convinced the EVO wheels are the best way to go even if they look good. May change back to 15'' to feel the difference as an experiment. Longterm it might be a question of EVOII (don't know what they weigh either) or some other lighter wheels. I really like the 16'' just a shame they are not lighter. Edited by Johnboy Mac, Fri Apr 3, 2009 9:48 am.
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| maggot | Fri Apr 3, 2009 10:52 am Post #28 |
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Just weighed an Evo 1 rim, no tyre,....... 9.6kg |
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| Nath_XPR | Fri Apr 3, 2009 3:06 pm Post #29 |
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I think it's surprising that they didn't make a forged version of the EVO1 for the EVO. Shame because they look so good. Oh btw mine rub very slightly on full lock (standard suspension). 
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| Enthusiast | Fri Apr 3, 2009 3:51 pm Post #30 |
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this discussion was over on Neil's lightweight thread |
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| Johnboy Mac | Fri Apr 3, 2009 4:17 pm Post #31 |
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Thanks. |
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| cossie connoisseur | Tue Apr 28, 2009 8:19 am Post #32 |
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is 1244000770 the correct number for the evo lug nuts? MB site need a new set for the rebuild, forgot what i got last time. cheers ps called MB and got superseeded to 0009904807...not sure if correct though Edited by cossie connoisseur, Tue Apr 28, 2009 8:27 am.
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| cossie connoisseur | Tue Apr 28, 2009 8:45 am Post #33 |
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anyone brought any recently? |
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| cossie connoisseur | Tue Apr 28, 2009 11:45 am Post #34 |
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anyone know if A0009904807 is correct for evo lugs as MB are 50/50 and its an hour away for me to see them in the flesh need a set for next week |
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| toff190 | Tue Apr 28, 2009 12:09 pm Post #35 |
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Nick, im picking up some bits from MB poole this afternoon, if they have any in stock i'll take a look and let you know this evening if you want. |
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| cossie connoisseur | Tue Apr 28, 2009 12:10 pm Post #36 |
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brilliant if you can, mb exeter had 90 in stock so your mb should have plenty to play about with. much apreciated
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| toff190 | Tue Apr 28, 2009 12:29 pm Post #37 |
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Nick, this part number is for standard length bolts not the long head ones. |
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| cossie connoisseur | Tue Apr 28, 2009 12:44 pm Post #38 |
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typical crappy effing mb parts department! anyone got the correct number then as the numbers at the top dont work anymore what dimensions are they? Edited by cossie connoisseur, Tue Apr 28, 2009 12:47 pm.
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| cossie connoisseur | Tue Apr 28, 2009 12:49 pm Post #39 |
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found some looks like im stuck with short shanked ones 
Edited by cossie connoisseur, Tue Apr 28, 2009 1:01 pm.
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| RM Merc 190 | Tue Apr 28, 2009 12:49 pm Post #40 |
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B66470101 is the original long shank and neck EVO1 lug |
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