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| A little help anyone? Buying some AMG's & Tyres | |
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| Topic Started: Tue Jan 9, 2007 6:23 pm (312 Views) | |
| chrismatheou | Tue Jan 9, 2007 6:23 pm Post #1 |
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Firstly I would just like to say a quick hello to everyone, I have been browsing through the forums pages for a couple of months now gathering loads of useful knowledge about my 2.0 1989 190E and I have just decided to sign up. I will try and get some pictures of my 190 soon. I’m trying to turn it into a beauty, now that I need new tyres all around due to two punctures I’m going to finally get some alloy wheels. I have set my eyes on a set of 17'' AMG Replicas, they are Style 2 Monoblocks with a chrome lip brand new for £350 from a local tyre place. The specs of the wheels are: 17 x 7.5J ET 37 785KG My first question is will I have any problems with this spec wheel on my 2 litre? Any rubbing? And what degree of inaccuracy am I likely to see now that my Speedos going to be out from all you guys that have done this all before. Secondly I’m going to be after a good set of all season tyres. What would be the largest tyres for these wheels that my 190 can take without rubbing so I can still maintain a comfortable Mercedes drive? After some searching through the forum I think I found the answer to which size tyres to be 205 x 40 x 17. To me this seems kind of on the small side but is this the only safe bet I have? Are there any other recommendations and if so what brands of tyres are recommended for the 190 by the 190 drivers! |
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| NEIL | Tue Jan 9, 2007 6:40 pm Post #2 |
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In relation to the standard 205/55/15 tyre specified for the 190s that had 15x7J rims, it's not a massive difference - if anything you'll be going ever so slightly slower than your speedo tells you. So less chance of a speeding ticket!  Best to be on the safe side to avoid rubbing, 45s may cause grief. |
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| chrismatheou | Tue Jan 9, 2007 6:49 pm Post #3 |
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Just before I make a solid decision on 205 x 40 x 17 tyres, can the tread width of 205 be increased or is that also asking for rubbing trouble? |
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| Martrider | Tue Jan 9, 2007 7:01 pm Post #4 |
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I have 17 x 7.5j and run 215/40-17s and don't have any rubbing. I did have my front archs rolled for an extortionate amount of money but thats when i had the wrong profile, the ones on the wheels when i bought them. I just had four new Kumho KU31s the other day for £60 a piece. I had the Kumho Ectas 712s for a while before my last set and they were great. These new ones seem even better. Word of advice, pay the extra few £££ per tyre rather than the budget ones you can get for about £50 and you'll be very happy. Last longer and are much safer. Don't underestimate how important tyres are to safety! Mart |
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| chrismatheou | Tue Jan 9, 2007 9:04 pm Post #5 |
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Thanks to everyones help and some research on the internet I have decided with purchasing some Kuhmos for my new alloys However I still dont feel reassured that i should go for 215's over 205's as Martrider suggested This is because he had his arches rolled before he fitted 215's. Is there anyone else out their who has faced the same dilema as me and can reassure me that 215 x 40 x 17 will be perfectly fine on a 2.0 litre with no rubbing opposed to my original idea of getting 205 x 40 x 17? |
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| merc190uk | Tue Jan 9, 2007 9:26 pm Post #6 |
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hi mate welcome i had 215 40s and swapped them for 205s it reduced the rubbing and i prefered the rolled look of the tyre. 205s |
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| chrismatheou | Wed Jan 10, 2007 12:11 am Post #7 |
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Excellent, thanks alot for your help its definetly going to be 205's now What brand of tyre are you using ureself merc190uk? Your car really sits nicely on those rims and it seems lowered Do you know then if its possible to lower the car with lowering springs about 40mm, then running 205 x 40 x 17's and have no rubbing issues? |
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| Martrider | Wed Jan 10, 2007 12:23 am Post #8 |
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Really sorry, i forgot to say that i had the car lowered (Supposedly by 35mm, turned out to be more like 80mm!) AND had too tall a profile. (I was a newb back in those days!) If you're running standard suspension i'll pretty much gurantee you'll have no problems. (Unless of course your are either A) a VERY fat bastard or  As has happened before, the springs are so old they are sheared off top and bottom so it sits lower.
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| Matt | Wed Jan 10, 2007 10:41 am Post #9 |
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I personally wouldnt go 205s at all. Not on a 7.5 wide rim. Had the exact same alloys on my old black 190 and the 205s were terrible and didnt ever get a good air seal on the rim. So I went for 215s and never had any problems with them. Also running 215/40/17s on my current cossie, with no problems whatsoever. And yes they are both lowered and no I dont get any arch rubbing at all. Tip is to go for a rounded tyre wall profile not a square type 
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| merc190uk | Wed Jan 10, 2007 8:31 pm Post #10 |
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now thats strange because i have never had a seal problem with the 205s
 chrismatheou Kuhmos mate and it is lowered on Pi springs. those wheels sit in the shed as i now have 18s fitted, thats a different story :lol: |
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| big al merc | Wed Jan 10, 2007 9:56 pm Post #11 |
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is that where i'm going wrong :lol: :lol: :lol: |
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| Martrider | Thu Jan 11, 2007 2:00 am Post #12 |
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:lol: |
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| chrismatheou | Thu Jan 11, 2007 11:09 am Post #13 |
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HA HA Well the debate is still here as to whats going to be safe on 17's and im swaying more towards merc190uk's choice of 205 x 40 x 17 as I have a set of new PI springs for a 16v lying around which ill have fitted in a month or so when the car goes to the garage for an MOT and most are suggesting that 215's may rub. The AMG Style 2 Monoblock Chrome Lip Replicas are now out the window as I have just confirmed a sale with someone for Genuine Six Spoke Evo 2 Titanium Alloys which im going to collect sometime this week. So I still have two more questions which need to be answered... 1) How much lowering will 40 mm 16v lowering springs provide for my 2 litre. I understand they will not lower the same as 2 litre 40 mm lowering springs but I think they may lower slightly less. Can anyone confirm if this is true? 2) The guy im buying the Evo 2 Wheels from says that the recommended tyres for them are 225's he recons 215's will squeese on but as for 205's he has no idea whatsoever ....and so I was just wondering as the Evo 2's are exactly the same dimensions as the AMG Replicas we was talking about i.e 17 x 7.5J ET 37, I assume 205 x 40 x 17's will be perfectly fine on the Evo 2's just as they were on the replicas I was going to buy originally? |
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| Martrider | Thu Jan 11, 2007 9:49 pm Post #14 |
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First off, a 16v is a lot heavier than a 2.0ltr so it's not advisable to use a set of springs which are not designed for the model. (Much more weight in the front on the 16v. Evo 2s, as i understand, are the newer Mercedes copies of the originals and available for the likes of the C-Class, CLK and SLK etc originally? if so, those wheels do use 225s in a 45 profile in 17x7.5j. (make sense?) as the set up is different on the newer cars. Hence when i bought my CLK Avantguard wheels, the above (225/45 17) was the size of tyre i had on them, and they rubbed like a biatch. Completely wrong for the 190, far too tall, and loads of sidewall flex, inaccurate speedo etc etc etc. As i said before, the CORRECT profile is 215/40 17, it's taken me four years of reading and a two sets of tyres to believe anybody. I'm not saying that they wont rub, (also depends on what the ET (Offset is)) but mine don't, and mine's lowered quite a lot. Steve's is even lower but he has cut springs if i remember rightly, and has a 2.6 which sits lower anyway, hence the NEED for a lower profile. (205/40 17). Originally i had the Kumho Ectas 712, which was a square shape tyre wall, the new ones that i had fitted after them, (ChampiroGTs) were very rounded and the new Kumho KU31s i have now, are also very rounded and as i've found out tonight, awesome! Now i just need bigger brakes! Hope all this helps, but it really can be hit and miss. A 205 will be stretched, not a lot, but will be. It's not the right profile. Check any tyre calculator. I'm not convinced that the tyres on the 15s were the right size either! |
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| Matt | Thu Jan 11, 2007 9:58 pm Post #15 |
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Totally agree with Martin, you need to be running 215's without a doubt, they wont rub aslong as you get tyres with a rounded sidewall profile. Trust us, that combination works! Ive run two 190s now which have been lowered 40mm, sitting on 17x7.5's alloys and fitted with 215/40/17 tyres, never ever had a rubbing problem. |
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| chrismatheou | Thu Jan 11, 2007 10:29 pm Post #16 |
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This may sounds like a stupid questions but is it not true that the arches bigger on the cosworth? Or is this a mith? Just so that I can eliminate any doubts with my poor old 2 litre being worse of with a new set of wheels that yours Matt and so that we are both comparing like for like here. So its definetly going to be very rounded 215's like Kuhmo's However Martin said he cant gurantee it wont rub as it also depends on the offset.....the Evo 2's are 37 could you guys (Matt and Martin) please fully confirm that im going to have no rubbing at all now by comparing my offset of 37 to your own...? Thanks guys! |
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| Matt | Thu Jan 11, 2007 11:36 pm Post #17 |
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The arch space is the same for both 16v's and non 16v's. The two cars I was refering to earlier were my old 2 litre and my current 2.3-16v You wont have any problems. The Evo wheels will fit fine
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| chrismatheou | Fri Jan 12, 2007 6:25 pm Post #18 |
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Matt the two cars you refered to that didnt rub on 215's, what was the offset on the alloys you was running? |
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