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| Topic Started: Fri Aug 4, 2006 2:41 pm (4,542 Views) | |
| NEIL | Fri Aug 4, 2006 2:41 pm Post #1 |
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Here are Tech Specs for my new wheels, post your own pics and info in this thread!  Wheels: Mercedes-Benz W201 Evolution / R129 SL500 (Part Number 129 400 0102) Rim Dimensions: 16x8J Offset: ET34 Tyres: Kumho Ecsta Supra 712 Tyre Dimensions: 215/50/16 Lugs: Mercedes-Benz (Part Number B66470101) Suspension: Stock (no fender rolling, minimal rubbing at front) Edited by NEIL, Sun Feb 22, 2009 11:39 am.
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| MTI | Fri Aug 4, 2006 6:14 pm Post #2 |
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The side profile really doesn't do justice, since there's not much to distinguish it from the OEM alloy wheels. I would imagine that a picture from the boot side would highlight the rim width. |
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| NEIL | Sat Aug 5, 2006 9:20 am Post #3 |
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true, there's not a straight-on shot from the rear. besides, i want it to look like it left the factory wearing them! subtlety is the key. more pics here though... |
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| merc190uk | Sun Aug 6, 2006 8:00 pm Post #4 |
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 Wheels: monoblock replicas Rim Dimensions: 18x8J Offset: ET37 Tyres: currently mixed Tyre Dimensions: 225/40/18 Lugs: original mercedes alloy bolts (long) part no unknown. Suspension: lowered 40mm on Pi springs sportline shocks pads removed. modificatons:arches rolled front and back.front wings widened bumper extended and widened. bumber cut, trim cut, both around 5-10mm. |
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| us16v | Mon Aug 7, 2006 3:41 am Post #5 |
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Well a few shots of my wheel upgrades: 18x8.5 ET 38 Lorinser Replicas 225-35-18 Michelin Pilot Sport Run Flat Suspension: H&R with SLS retained 500e Front Sway Bar EVOII Rear Sway Bar Speedtec Rear Camber Arms 400E Front & Rear Calipers     
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| Marv | Sun Jun 17, 2007 4:42 pm Post #6 |
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 Wheels: AMG Monoblock's. Part No - 2024000302 Rim Dimensions: 17x 7.5J Offset: 35 Tyres: Kumo Fronts Maxis Rears Tyre Dimensions: 205/40/17 Lugs: MB Lugs and Locknuts 7cm bolt length with 17mm head. Part No - 0009901007 Suspension: lowered 40mm on Koni Shocks and Springs  Wheels: Mercedes-Benz Evo II. Part No - B664705 Rim Dimensions: 17x 7.5J Offset: 37 Tyres: Accerea Alphas Tyre Dimensions: 215/40/17 Lugs: MB Lugs and Locknuts 7cm bolt length with 17mm head. Part No - 0009901007 Suspension: lowered 40mm on Koni Shocks and Springs Edited by Marv, Sat Apr 25, 2009 9:37 am.
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| zinc | Sun Sep 16, 2007 6:05 pm Post #7 |
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Hello all. Having perused the wheels and tyres bible I am concerned about how the evo 129 500sl wheels I am picking up tomorrow are going to fit my standard 190. 190 Evoluzione has the same wheels on his car but from using the bible calculator it seems to me the wheels are too big. I'm confused. HELP!!!!! |
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| NEIL | Sun Sep 16, 2007 6:11 pm Post #8 |
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They fit, trust me. Tyre size is all-important, and i got it wrong the first time. 225/45/16 is your size, this is proven by several members on the site. If the wheels have the original lugs with them then you're all set. |
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| shrekky | Sun Sep 16, 2007 6:21 pm Post #9 |
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 Wheels: mercedes E320 Rim Dimensions: 17x 8J Offset: 34 Tyres:star performer (budget,but good grippy tyre) Tyre Dimensions: 215/40/17 Lugs: MB Lugs,short bolts Suspension: lowered 40mm bilstein shocks,GSF springs |
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| zinc | Sun Sep 16, 2007 6:50 pm Post #10 |
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please excuse my ignorance but what are lugs? |
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| NEIL | Sun Sep 16, 2007 6:51 pm Post #11 |
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Bolts. The things that hold the wheels onto the car! 
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| zinc | Sun Sep 16, 2007 6:54 pm Post #12 |
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Same as studs then? |
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| NEIL | Sun Sep 16, 2007 7:32 pm Post #13 |
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Technically no, as Studs protrude from the hub. Bolts/Lugs screw into the Holes in the hub. Your Mercedes does not have Studs on the hubs, it has Holes in the hubs. Therefore you need Bolts/Lugs 
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| Marv | Tue Oct 9, 2007 6:32 pm Post #14 |
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Updated added Evo 2 Wheels, will get tyre make and picture tomorow when its light. Also added part No and offset for AMG Mono, easy to do now there off the car. |
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| Everton | Tue Oct 9, 2007 7:05 pm Post #15 |
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I notice most of your wheels are 8J, them brabus alloys should just go straight on mine then??? I dont want to travel to essex and find out ther too big!! |
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| Lewis 190E 2.5 16 | Tue Oct 9, 2007 7:08 pm Post #16 |
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They should go on without any problems and some nice low profile tyres and you'll be alright whats the PCD and ET of the brabus wheels? |
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| Everton | Tue Oct 9, 2007 7:15 pm Post #17 |
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I haven't got a barrs Irn Bru lol heres the linky tho! http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?Vie...:MEWA:IT&ih=018 item number:280159098614 |
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| Marv | Tue Oct 9, 2007 7:16 pm Post #18 |
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Offset is 30. If i'am right offset is the distance from the inside of the alloy to the hub. So the higher the Offset the further out the weel will sit and the lower the further in the wheel will sit. |
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| Everton | Tue Oct 9, 2007 9:21 pm Post #19 |
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so, if its too far the wheels will be illegal? as in stickin out too far from the edge of the arch? f*ck it, if I win the wheels, I'll have to get a bigger merc for them to fit, a weekend car or summat. I f*ckin wish, they came off a 500sl. |
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| deacs | Wed Oct 10, 2007 7:01 am Post #20 |
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wrong way round mate, lower the offset means the wheels will stick 'out' further. fact i have 35mm offset 18x8 with 225 width tyres and the rears and front just (and i mean just) clear the arch lip so i guess a 30mm offset would fit but as long as the tyre size was not too wide. |
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| animal | Mon Oct 29, 2007 10:20 pm Post #21 |
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hi iv got a set 7x15 off my 107 sl will these go on any idea what size tyre |
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| kentronix | Mon Oct 29, 2007 11:21 pm Post #22 |
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wait for confirmation from someone else but I think the 107 is one of the few wheels that simply wont fit. I think the offset is way off. |
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| Lewis 190E 2.5 16 | Tue Oct 30, 2007 6:33 am Post #23 |
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The ET has to be between 30-40 to fit. |
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| Lewis 190E 2.5 16 | Sat Nov 10, 2007 7:19 pm Post #24 |
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 Wheels: Mercedes-Benz AMG monoblock Reps DTM style Rim Dimensions: 17x7.5J Offset: ET35 Tyres: mixed Tyre Dimensions: 215/40/17 Lugs: Mercedes-Benz (Part Number unkown) Suspension: Lowered, koni springs, lowered 60mm, little rubbing on front only over bumps... |
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| manalishi | Sun Jan 4, 2009 3:29 pm Post #25 |
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Um... call me old fashioned, but isn't the vital bit of spec the actual weight of the wheel? Be interested to know how these wheels compare to the original 16V wheels. IIRC, the Evo I wheels are a LOT heavier than the 16V? |
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| -V- | Sun Jan 4, 2009 4:00 pm Post #26 |
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^^ I guess the weight is important but everyone is different and i guess it comes down to what you are using the car for. For a track car it is 110% vital, for an everyday road car i would go with a 'no'. These kids nowadays are all about the look of a wheel (says he!)  
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| manalishi | Sun Jan 4, 2009 4:07 pm Post #27 |
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I hear ya, but I'm a geek and I NEED to know.  After all, even for a road car, adding extra kilos is the quickest way to throw bhp away!
Edited by manalishi, Mon Jan 5, 2009 8:35 am.
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| Stempies | Sun Jan 4, 2009 4:33 pm Post #28 |
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 Wheels: Mercedes-Benz SLK Rim Dimensions: 15x 7J Offset: 37 Tyres: Michelin & Continentals Tyre Dimensions: 205/60/15 Lugs: MB Lugs and Locknuts (same size as std steel bolts!) Suspension: Standard These are very lightweight wheels (almost too light as you notice every bump in road due to low unsprung weight) Edited by Stempies, Sun Jan 4, 2009 4:40 pm.
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| bearkat | Wed Jan 14, 2009 9:26 pm Post #29 |
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Hi you wheel NUts (excuse the pun) out there ,sent for some advice from neil ,perhaps he hasn,t received it, so maybe someone else can help with the question below ,please,? my 190e 2.0 ltr,is wearing a full A.M.G body kit &17" A.M.G monoblocks (reps), but i wish to fit my 18"A.M.G reps with existing 215 x 35 tyres front & 225 X 35 rear, i also have a full lowering kit fitted ,she sits approx 5" cill to road and the wings have not been flared , thanks for any advice,  Gordon. Edited by bearkat, Fri Jan 16, 2009 10:48 am.
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| rhysmangatmotorsport | Wed Jan 14, 2009 9:46 pm Post #30 |
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Hey Neil, Ive got 8jx18" Mania Vortex (discontinued) with 215/35/18. ET 35, nuts and locks supplied by Wheelmania. Dont know what make tyres cause Ive not seen these babies since Oct 07, ttp://imageshack.us]  [/url]
Edited by rhysmangatmotorsport, Fri Apr 24, 2009 6:25 pm.
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| robin190e | Sat Feb 21, 2009 11:06 pm Post #31 |
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HI... COULD SOME ONE TELL ME WHAT THE BIGGEST SIZ OF ALLOYS I CAN FIT ON MY CAR.. I HAVE A 1992 190E 1.8 . I DONT WANT TO BUY SOME ALLOYS AND THEN FIND OUT THEY DONT FIT. I WANTED TO GO WITH 17" OR 18" BUT NOT SURE ABOUT THE FULL SIZE OF THE WHEEL... THANKS |
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| kentronix | Sat Feb 21, 2009 11:15 pm Post #32 |
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Welcome to the forum, 18s can fit, it depends on width offset and tyres. Unfortunately you wont get a definitive answer as not all 190s are identical. I had 18s with 225/40/18s on and it took a fair bit of work to avoid rubbing so I would stick to 215/35, its probably the safest option for 18s although its quite a hard ride. And it still may rub particularly if the cars lowered. I have since moved back to 17s, personally I think the ride on 17s cant be beaten. |
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| robin190e | Mon Feb 23, 2009 7:28 pm Post #33 |
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thanks for the advice m8 . i think i will take it and stick to 17" and just lower the car . what size would you say was best for 17"? thanks again |
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| twopointsix | Mon Mar 9, 2009 12:40 pm Post #34 |
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Hi The 15 inch, 15 hole alloys on one of my 2.6s are well past their best. I have refurbed a set of Wolfrace 15 inch 6 hole alloys (with Mercedes logo centre caps) and fitted Pirelli P6000 205/50/15 tyres. The Wolfrace alloy specs are: 7 x 15 112 ET37, Wolfrace model # is SK 7015. Using the original wheel lug/bolts, the fronts fitted fine, but when I came to fit the rears, this problem occurred. The bolts on the rear wheels are catching on the back plate/brake parts (I haven't driven the car, just jacked it up and spun the wheels by hand to check for clearance). The original wheel lug/bolt length is 50mm (total length). Thread length is 25mm. This seems OK for the front wheels. As an experiment, on the rear I tried using the shorter wheel bolts from the steel spare, which secured the wheel, but I'm not happy about the amount of thread that goes into the hub - only about three turns to fully tighten the bolt. I wouldn't be happy driving the car with such a small amount of thread engaged in the hub. The wheel bolts from the steel spare are (total length) 40mm, thread length is 20mm. There is a deeper collar on the 50mm bolt than on the 40mm bolt, obviously because the steel wheel has a shallower seat than an alloy. For comparison's sake, my 2.6 Sportline has original 15 hole light alloys (7Jx15H2 ET44). The wheel bolts are 60mm total length (comprised 20mm head & collar, 20mm unthreaded + 20mm threaded) These are new genuine M-B bolts, part # A000 990 10 07. Can anyone please suggest a way around this problem (I suspect I'll need different length bolts) and a reputable supplier of wheel bolts. many thanks |
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| Johnboy Mac | Mon Mar 9, 2009 12:58 pm Post #35 |
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If you can tell me what lenght you require I may be able to give you an original M-B part number. Your right about three threads is not correct or secure. |
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| twopointsix | Mon Mar 9, 2009 1:37 pm Post #36 |
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Thanks for the reply Johnboy, required bolt length - difficult to say. Fag paper calculation indicates a bolt length of 40mm, but with a thread length of 22.5mm and a deeper collar i.e. one to fit an alloy, rather than a steel rim - if such a thing exists.....or alternatively a 40 cm bolt with a deeper collar and a 2Omm thread - the deeper collar may prevent the bolt from protruding out of the back of the hub yet give sufficient thread length to grip the wheel securely. I'd rather be certain I had the correct bolt before ordering a new full set and rest assured the car won't be driven with insufficient thread engaged in the hub! cheers |
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| Johnboy Mac | Mon Mar 9, 2009 1:58 pm Post #37 |
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The nearest one I can find that MIGHT solve you problem is: Bolt lenght 40mm with a thread lenght of approx 25mm and a collar to suit alloys. Overall lenght of the stud (aka lugs by some) is 53.5mm (13.5mm for collar & head). These were used on W202, 8 & 15 hole , 6.5J/7J x 15 ET37 alloys. Sorry don't have the part number for these as I thought. |
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| twopointsix | Tue Mar 10, 2009 7:02 am Post #38 |
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Thanks once again for trying. It's appreciated. If anyone else has any bright ideas, please keep them coming. thanks |
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| newnut | Wed Mar 11, 2009 6:56 pm Post #39 |
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any one tried fitting 235/45/17's? much rubbing? |
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| olliecampbell | Fri Apr 24, 2009 3:33 pm Post #40 |
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Does anyone have a record of what the standard (I think they're referred to as 8-pot) wheel size/tyre combo should be? |
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