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| How Do Muslims View Jesus Christ?; by Dr. John Ankerberg and Dr. John Weldo | |
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| Topic Started: Nov 4 2007, 01:45 PM (57 Views) | |
| Fouad | Nov 4 2007, 01:45 PM Post #1 |
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Muslims claim that they believe in the true Jesus Christ. Muslims praise Jesus as a prophet of God, as sinless, as "the Messiah," as "illustrious in this world and the next," as "the Word of Allah" and as "the Spirit of God." (e.g. Sura 3:45) Muslims cite their Bible, the Koran, in confirmation of their belief in Jesus: ‘And we gave Jesus, Son of Mary, the clear signs, and confirmed Him with the Holy Spirit." 1 But whatever Islam claims, it does not believe in the biblical Jesus. First, it asserts that Jesus was only one of God’ ‘s endless prophets or messengers, and not God’s only begotten Son. Muslims adamantly reject the idea that Jesus is the Son of God. The Koran repeatedly emphasizes that Jesus Christ is not the literal Son of God: "They say, ‘God has taken to Him a son’... Say: ‘Those who forge against God falsehood shall not prosper.’ " 2 "Praise belongs to God [Allah], who has not taken to Him a son...." 3 "… Warn those who say, ‘God has taken to Himself a son’"... a monstrous word it is, issuing out of their mouths; they say nothing but a lie." 4 "But who does greater evil than he who forges against God a lie?" 5 "They are unbelievers who say, ‘God is the Messiah, Mary’s Son.’" 6 Thus the Koran emphatically denies that Jesus Christ is the Son of God—a teaching that Jesus Himself just as emphatically affirmed (John 3:16,18; 10:36-38). In conclusion, the Christian view of Jesus Christ as God’s literal Son is blasphemy to the Muslim. Second, Muslims deny that Christ was God incarnate. Any Muslim who believes that Christ is God has committed "the one unforgivable sin" 7 called shirk—a sin that will send him to hell. Thus the Koran emphasizes that Jesus was only a man: "The Messiah, Jesus Son of Mary, was only the Messenger of God…." 8 Sura 43:59 asserts: "Jesus was no more than a mortal whom [Allah] favored and made an example to the Israelites." 9 But even though Jesus Himself claimed on many different occasions that He is God, the Koran has Jesus denying His own deity. When Allah himself supposedly asked Jesus if He was God, Jesus replied in the Koran, "It is not mine to say what I have no right to." 10 In fact, even as a baby, Jesus allegedly claimed He was only a servant of Allah. According to Sura 19:20,34, Jesus praised his birth and then said, "I am the servant of Allah." And Allah teaches, "It is not for God to take a son unto Him." 11 Third, Muslims do not believe that Jesus was crucified and died on the cross. Fourth, Islam teaches that Muhammad was a superior prophet to Jesus because he brought God’s final revelations to man. Badru D. Kateregga, a former lecturer and head of the Islamic studies and comparative religion at Kenyatta University College, University of Nairobi, Kenya, exemplifies the common Muslim view of Jesus as an inferior prophet to Muhammad. The truth that all the previous prophets have proclaimed to humanity was perfected by Prophet Muhammad.... The Qur’an, which is Allah’s final guidance to mankind, was revealed to the Prophet Muhammad... the seal of all prophets, 600 years after the Prophet Isa (Jesus)... Muhammad... is the one prophet who fulfilled Allah’s mission during his lifetime. Muslims believe in and respect all the prophets of God who preceded Muhammad.... They all brought a uniform message—Islam—from Allah. [But] Muhammad is the last in seal of prophethood. Through him, Islam was completed and perfected. As he brought the last and latest guidance for all mankind, it is he alone to whom Muslims turn for guidance. 12 Thus "Muhammad... is the last prophet and messenger of Allah. His mission was for the whole world and for all times." 13 In other words, Muslims must not turn to Jesus for spiritual guidance—only to Muhammad. But Muslims are wrong. Jesus is far more than God’s mere messenger. Jesus Christ is God’s one and only Son (John 3:16-18). Further, He is the Second Person of the Trinity, God incarnate—God Himself (John 1:1,14; 5:18). Jesus claimed to be both "the Lord" and "God"’ "You call me ‘Teacher’ and ‘Lord,’ and rightly so, for that is what I am’, (John 13:13). ‘Anyone who has seen me has seen the Father [God]" (John 14:9). "I and the Father [God] are one" (John 10:30). When Muslims deny that Christ was crucified on the cross—and that God substituted someone else in His place—they deny the clearest teaching of the New Testament. Even Jesus prophesied—repeatedly—that He had to go to the cross and that this was God’s direct will for Him (Matthew 16:21; Luke 18:31-33; John 12:27). Innumerable eyewitnesses, both Jesus’ friends and enemies, saw Jesus die on the cross, and many of His apostles and friends were eyewitnesses to His resurrection from the dead (John 19:23-27,31-35). In conclusion, both the Koran and the Muslim religion are in serious error concerning their teachings on the most important man of history, Jesus Christ. Islam claims that it honors and reverences Jesus even though it rejects what the Bible teaches about Him. It denies His divine nature when it teaches that He was only a servant of God, a mere man. It denies His mission when it teaches that Jesus never died on the cross. It denies Jesus’ own teaching concerning the reason He came into the world: "to give his life as a ransom for many" (Matthew 20:28). No one can deny that Muslims reject the biblical Jesus. Yet it was Jesus Himself who warned all men, "…if you do not believe that I am the one I claim to be, you will indeed die in your sins" (John 8:24). Notes: 1. A.J. Arberry, The Koran Interpreted, (New York: MacMillan, 1976), p. 64. 2. Ibid., p. 233. 3. Ibid., p. 315. 4. Ibid., p. 316. 5. Ibid., p. 317. 6. Ibid., p. 130. 7. J.N.D. Anderson, Christianity and Comparative Religion (Downer’s Grove, IL: InterVarsity, 1970 edition), p. 47; S.G.F. Brandon, ed., Dictionary of Comparative Religion, 1970, p. 306. 8. Arberry, Interpreted, p. 125. 9. J. N. Dawood, trans., Koran, p. 149, emphasis added. 10. Arberry, Interpreted, p. 147. 11. Dawood, Koran, p. 34. 12. Badru D. Kateregga and David W. Shenk, Islam and Christianity: A Muslim and a Christian in Dialogue (Grand Rapids: Eerdmans, 1980), p. 37, emphasis added. 13. Ibid., p. 35. |
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| Marrakoshi99 | Jan 9 2008, 12:07 PM Post #2 |
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Hi Fouad !! You said Muslims are wrong because they don't believe that Jesus Christ is God.My question is: Did Christ , himself, say that he was God? Did he say he was "God incarnate"? I read what you claim proofs on the divinity of my master Jesus. I'd like to discuss them with you one by one. |
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| Fouad | Jan 10 2008, 08:41 AM Post #3 |
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Good question, but do you think Jesus should say i am God so we can say He is God ? or he can tell us in different ways ? |
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| Marrakoshi99 | Jan 12 2008, 10:53 PM Post #4 |
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Almighty has always told us clearly and without ambiguity who He is. |
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| Fouad | Jan 15 2008, 02:36 AM Post #5 |
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No allah did not tell you who is clearly cause if you look at some of God characters you will see he couldnt be God , like inheritance and best deceiver and dont tell me " allah kahir al makirin " not mean best deceiver cause al makr is bad character in any way , plus the message of the quran not all of it is clearand the quran itself claim that in 3:7([7] He it is Who has sent down to thee the Book; in it are verses basic or fundamental (of established meaning); they are the foundation of the Book: others are not of well-established meaning. But those in whose hearts is perversity follow the part thereof that is not of well-established meaning. Seeking discord, and searching for its hidden meanings, but no one knows its true meanings except Allah. And those who are firmly grounded in knowledge say: "We believe in the Book; the whole of it is from our Lord:" and none will grasp the Message except men of understanding.) so allah himself put some verses in quran that are not clear and allowed ppl from his book to be deceived instead of make it clear to strenght the knowlmedge of ppl . Plus you did not answer my question do you think Jesus should say i am God so we can say He is God ? or he can tell us in different ways ? |
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| Marrakoshi99 | Jan 22 2008, 09:21 PM Post #6 |
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I understand that Fouad claims that allah has confused Muslims through the Koran. This is wrong Muslims believe NO ONE knows ALL the reality of Allah. Allah, alone, knows his reality. That is why we say in Arabic (" laa ya'arifo llah ala alhaqiqati illa llah") meaning :" no one knows Allah in His reality except Allah alone". Muslims do know Allah through the Koran. We know Allah has many , perfect attributes that don't resemble those found in the creatures. if you, Fouad, don't understand the language of the Koran, it is your problem!! The Koran is clear to us. The verses you quoted rfer to the TEST that Allah has set for people: the good believers will interpret the Koran correctly. and the evil-minded will misinterpret it. We differentiate between the good and the wrong interpretations through the Koran itself or what you termed " basic or fundamental" verses. Thanks Allah! we know who Allah. Bear this in mind, fouad! Fouyad said: do you think Jesus should say i am God so we can say He is God ? or he can tell us in different ways ?./. Muslims think that Jesus has presented and identified himself in a simple, straightforward way. Jesus NEVER EVER said he was Almighty Allah. He always stressed his servitude to his Creator, Allah. He never said he was G*d incarnate. |
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| Fouad | Jan 28 2008, 04:53 PM Post #7 |
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Marrakoshi99 again i understand arabic so good, and you are wrong again when oyou said the quran is a clear book, the quran is not clear firstable yourself said only allah know about himself and the quran not say how allah is so how it is Clear ? secondly the quran is not clear cause they are many words noone know their meanings also only allah knows , third the quran, not clear about all this why you need books of " Tafssir " explanations to understand the quran and the quran also not complete book this why you need hadith books and fatwas to know what to do in your dailly practicing islam . Think about this things you will see that the quran is not a clear book and i wish you do not deny what i said cause it is clear they are words has no meaning and you need other books to understand your quran . and see how you contradict yourself here you said Muslims believe NO ONE knows ALL the reality of Allah. Allah, alone, knows his reality. That is why we say in Arabic (" laa ya'arifo llah ala alhaqiqati illa llah") meaning :" no one knows Allah in His reality except Allah alone". [/QUOTE] and after you said : Thanks Allah! we know who Allah. Bear this in mind |
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| Marrakoshi99 | Jan 30 2008, 06:24 PM Post #8 |
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Fouad said: the quran is not clear firstable yourself said only allah know about himself and the quran not say how allah is so how it is Clear ?./. let me explain further: We do know Allah through His Book and through the Sayings of prophet Mohammad. we know from these two sources that Allah/ God has endless Attributes of Perfection. For example: we know that our Creator is Existent , Life, Hearing, Sight, Speech etc. We know also that these Attributes ("sifaat") DO NOT resemble in ANY WAY the attributes in His creations ( e.g. man).For example, both Allah and man are hearing. But the Hearing of our Creator, Allah, is different from ours. Man hears, using his/her ears . But Allah does not have ears because He is UNLIKE us. Man's existence is quite different from the Existence of Allah. For example, Man's existence has a beginnig and an end. But God's EXISTENCE has no beginning , no end. Man exists in a certain place; but our Creator exists WITHOUT place. Why is God without place? Because He is the creator of place , so He does not need it. Imam Ali ( a companion of the prophet) once said: (( Allah existed before He created the place. And now, Allah still exists without a place )). Another example: any creation has a certain shape / form. But Allah has NO shape / or form. Why? Because it is God who has created all things in those shapes. So, it is impossible(=unthinkable) that the Creator is in acertain shape / form. Now , suppose somebody usk us: " You say Allah hears without ears . How is that hearing of His? " .Here we tell that person: " We CAN NOT know the REALITY of Allah's Hearing. Only Allah himself knows His Reality. if the same person asks: " allah exists without a place. How?" . We tell the person that allah can not be imagined or described in a physical way because He is beyond the grasp of our minds. That is why, Muslim strongly oppose the so-called 'Christianity'. The so-called 'christians' believe that our Creator came to earth in the shape of a human being , called Jesus. and this supposed God 'incarnate' used to eat, to sleep, to cry, to sweat, to walk, to ride donkeys etc. These activities are those of humans not of God !!!! Because God CAN NOT ( =it's impossible / unthinkable ) change Himself; He cannot eat or sleep or be killed on the cross... because this means that the person who does these activities is changing, needy, not Everlasting , not unique. And Allah is unchinging, 'needless' , Everlasting and Unique. Fouad said: secondly the quran is not clear cause they are many words noone know their meanings also only allah knows./. I think you mean by the " words " God's Attribites (= "sifaat ÇáÕÝÇÊ ÇáÇáåíÉ" or " al aayat almatashabihaat ÇáÂíÇÊ ÇáãÊÔÇÈåÇÊ". If you mean that , you are wrong. We do know them. But don't know their realities. i have explain this before. fouad said: not clear about all this why you need books of " Tafssir " explanations to understand the quran and the quran also not complete book this why you need hadith books and fatwas to know what to do in your dailly practicing islam yes I need the books of " tafsir"(=exegesis ) and "hadith" (= prophet's sayings) because the koran has a very elaborated Arabic style. and i need to know the contexts of the Koranic verses. Likewise, the so-called 'christians' need the expolanations of their scholars to understand their holy Book. |
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