| We hope you enjoy your visit. You're currently viewing our forum as a guest. This means you are limited to certain areas of the board and there are some features you can't use. If you join our community, you'll be able to access member-only sections, and use many member-only features such as customizing your profile, sending personal messages, and voting in polls. Registration is simple, fast, and completely free. |
| a muslim convert to christianity; this show a mulims can convert . | |
|---|---|
| Topic Started: Oct 19 2005, 11:53 PM (123 Views) | |
| Fouad | Oct 19 2005, 11:53 PM Post #1 |
Administrator
  ![]](http://209.85.122.89/static/1/pip_r.png)
|
They are a lot of muslims around the world think a muslim cant convert to christianity , because they think they have a the truth and when someone know the truth cant leave it , and that is wrong they are a thousands of ex muslims now are christians cause they found the christianity is the truth , i know everyone will say i have the truth or i know the truth , but did you try to find the truth by yourself . I slam make ppl think a man is a muslim by nature , they change the truth in this , cause in the nature of humain there is God , everyone think about God in a differents way, this mean God exist inside ppl , just ppl lose the truth about God , Adam was with God , He knews God exist but he seperated from God of His sin , yes God mention Himself in differents way , but the muslims think we are muslims by nature , and they do not know the differents between to know God by nature and to be under a relegion , when Adam was with God was not any relegion , it was a relationaship with God , we need just think about the diferents between relegion and relationship with God , we have in nature a relationship with God , this relationship broke up cause of our sin ; and Jesus made the Reconciliation between man and God . Muslims need to think about a lot of things about their belief ; the first thing they need to know they are a lot of ex muslims now they are christians ; i am one of them , and i meet a lot of them . and any muslim want to know more this subject just email me . |
|
(And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature). (Mark 16:15 ) Download Movemegod Toolbar the first christian toolbar http://movemegod.ourtoolbar.com/ Christian Moroccan website | |
 |
 
|
| victoria | Jul 12 2008, 02:30 PM Post #2 |
|
Newbie
|
yes we found the truth by jesus and we hope that our brothers and sisters found it too |
| thank you god for opening my eyes to see the truth thank you | |
|
|
|
| Marrakoshi99 | Jul 23 2008, 10:16 PM Post #3 |
Member
|
Fouad !! You have many misconceptions, wrong ideas about Islam. What you wrote is full with mistakes. Check your information, please !![/color] |
| I walk on the steps of my dear master Jesus Christ of Nazareth.So,I am a Muslim!! | |
|
|
|
| Fouad | Sep 5 2008, 06:37 PM Post #4 |
|
Administrator
|
Show me where i am wrong , and lets see if i am or not . |
|
(And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature). (Mark 16:15 ) Download Movemegod Toolbar the first christian toolbar http://movemegod.ourtoolbar.com/ Christian Moroccan website | |
|
|
|
| Marrakoshi99 | Sep 8 2008, 01:44 PM Post #5 |
|
Member
|
Fouad said: ....... they are a thousands of ex muslims now are christians cause they found the christianity is the truth , % Leaving a religion doe not prove that the second is truthful. Some so-called 'christians' leave their religion for Budhism, satanism _ does this mean your religion is wrong? Fouad said: i know everyone will say i have the truth or i know the truth , but did you try to find the truth by yourself . % i know the truth. i have been checking and double checking the truth in my religion _ islam. I have compared my religion with others ; I have read books about your religion; I know more about the so-called 'christianity' than you can imagine. I have concluded Islam is the only true religion from God nowadays.* Fouad said:.... Islam make ppl think a man is a muslim by nature , % No, Muslims don't believe a person is born Muslim; but he/she is PRONE to believe in Islam by nature. It means that islam doesn't contradict the nature of Man : islam is harmonious with man's nature. The thing which blends the tw (islam/man's nature) is called in Arabic " Al Fitrah" Fouad said:.... cause in the nature of humain there is God ,% Muslims don't believe this. A misinformation !!* Fouad said: everyone think about God in a differents way, this mean God exist inside ppl , % Muslims don't believe this. A misinformation !! Fouad said:.... ..when Adam was with God was not any relegion , it was a relationaship with God % I say : Adam didn't have a religion ????!!!!! didn't believe in One God, didn't he pray God??,!!! Didn't he teach his children how to pray??!!!! These things are cpart of religion: believing, praying, spreading the Message . Fouad said:.... we need just think about the diferents between relegion and relationship with God , % I say religion is a set of 'theoritical' and 'practical' principles which organize the RELATIONSHIP between creatures and tyheir Creator !!! Fouad said:.... this relationship broke up cause of our sin ; and Jesus made the Reconciliation between man and God . % Man is sinful . and God can forgive him if man repents and behaves wisely. There is no need for SOMEONE to take the punishment on our behalves!!! This is justice! Fouad said:.... they are a lot of ex muslims now they are christians ; i am one of them , and i meet a lot of them . % i say most of those who desert islam are ignorant of Islam or they leave islam for worldly rewards!! |
| I walk on the steps of my dear master Jesus Christ of Nazareth.So,I am a Muslim!! | |
|
|
|
| RedVelvet | Sep 8 2008, 08:11 PM Post #6 |
|
Advanced Member
|
MARRAKOSHI99 Yes, you may, at first, regret coming to this site, but God may have directed you to it with a seeking heart... deep down wanting to know the TRUTH of the gospel of JESUS CHRIST, who came into the world to save sinners. "For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God." Romans 3:23 The dictionary defines the word "all" as: the entire number of, every(one), any(one), the entire substance or extent, the whole of everyone/everything, wholly, entirity. So, because you are among the living of the human race...that verse includes you. By birth and by nature, all mankind are sinners... conceived in sin, born into a sinful world, knowing nothing but to practice sin. Sin is not what we do, but it is unbelief in who we are in God's eyes... and it is trangressing God's divine and moral law. Sin demands a payment... "For the wages (payment) of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord." Romans 6:23... but nothing mankind has or can achieve is enough to pay for his sin. God, because He is man's Creator, knew this and sent His only Son, Jesus, into the world to pay for "...the sin of the world (mankind)." "Wherefore, as by one man (Adam) sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned:" Romans 5:12 (note the word "all" is used again) And God loves His Creation (mankind) "For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever (and you can put your name here) believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life." John 3:16 "But God commendeth (shown, entrusted) his love toward us, in that while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us." Romans 5:8 If you know nothing about Jesus--He was the only One to have ever been born "sinless" because His birth was miraculous. He was conceived in a virgin's womb by the over-shadowing of the Holy Spiirt of God. He had no earthly Father... His Father was God; therefore He was sinless. His life was not very long... history records about 33 1/2 years, but God's plan was accomplished through His birth, life, death, and ressurrection. His purpose for coming into the world was to die for the sin of mankind... to pay man's sin debt and give mankind the opportunity to exchange his sinful life for the eternal life promised by God. I realize that the name the Muslims use in reference to God is Allah... supposedly, one in the same, according to the dictionary, but the reverence toward and worship of Him is totally different--as if two separate deities. In the book of Matthew 6:24, it reads, "No man can serve two masters: for either he will hate the one, and love the other; or else he will hold to the one, and despise the other. Ye cannot serve God and mammon (object of pursuit or evil influence)" My opinion of the god the Muslims follow is so much "out of character" from the God of the Bible. He demands a prideful commitment, while the True God wants us to rid ourselves of pride. "Pride goeth before destruction, and a haughty spirit before a fall." Proverbs 16:18 "These six things doth the LORD hate; yea, seven are an abomination unto him: A proud look, a lying tongue, and hands that shed innocent blood. An heart that deviseth wicked imaginations, feet that be swift in running to mischief, A false witness that speaketh lies, and he that soweth discord among brethren." Proverbs 6:16-19 Allah promises fulfillment of fleshly, sensual desires in the next life... the God of the Bible promises everlasting life with no demands attached. Peaceful, eternal life in heaven with our Creator, God, who offers this life to us as a free gift for the taking/receiving. When you give someone a gift, the cost or purchase of it is your responsibility... as with the gift of eternal life; God's Only Begotten Son paid for it when He shed His blood on the Cross at Calvary; therefore, His blood became the ransom (payment) for mankind's sin (unbelief). The question was asked of two fo Jesus' followers, "... Sirs, what must I do to be saved?" Their response was "...Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved,..." Acts 16:30-31 They specified the believing in/on Jesus was the only thing he could do. No work or demand was made on him. Jesus did it all and the debt was stamped "PAID IN FULL". "That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him (Jesus) from the dead, thou shalt be saved. For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation. For the scripture saith, WHOSOEVER BELIEVETH ON HIM SHALL NOT BE ASHAMED. For there is no difference between the Jew and the Greek: for the same Lord over all is rich unto all that call upon him. FOR WHOSOEVER SHALL CALL UPON THE NAME OF THE LORD SHALL BE SAVED." Romans 10:9-13 Muslim is the Islamic religion or vice versa or the entire Muslim world. RELIGION is only a system (organization, method, classification) of faith and worship; religion has a tremendous amount of ideas and beliefs associated with it - anyone can introduce his own religion and attract many followers. Mohammed, Buddha, Confusius - all were leaders of religious groups - are dead, with no account given to a resurrection after their death. This is not true of Christianity. CHRISTIANITY is based upon the Person of Jesus Christ... Christians who follow Christ, are just human beings who love and serve Him because of the unmerited, undeserved favor (grace) of God bestowed upon them. History records the facts about the LORD JESUS CHRIST. The Bible records His presence in creation, the prophecy of His coming into the world and the "why or need" of His coming, it tells of the announcement of His birth, His actual birth, His life among His followers, His crucifixation, His death, His burial and His RESURRECTION. These facts are in history, not just Biblical history... these facts are HIS-STORY. You or no one else can change history. Some facts we may find difficult to believe, but our stumbling over them should cause us to think about the obstacles in our path - did we place them there, did someone else, do we jump over or by-pass them, only to return and stumble in the dark? Frustrated, because we did not move them when/while we could see them. Religion is themajor stumblingblock of mankind... it takes man's eyes off what JESUS CHRIST did and causes man to ask the questions, "what can or must I do?" or "can I do enough or am I doing enough?" Life becomes very tiring. Mankind stays so busy trying to please and appease his concept of GOD, that he misses GOD altogether... he by-passes the everlasting life, promised and given as a free gift... in the name of RELIGION. My prayer is that YOU might come to the knowledge of that TRUTH throught visiting this site. RedVelvet a/k/a Diane |
 I Samuel 12:24 ~ Only fear the LORD, and serve him in truth with all your heart: for consider how great things he hath done for you. | |
|
|
|
| Marrakoshi99 | Sep 11 2008, 02:21 PM Post #7 |
|
Member
|
Redvelvet said: %.....JESUS CHRIST, who came into the world to save sinners.% [b]I say: I agree JESUS CHRIST came into the world to save sinners. but his saving was not in the way the so-called christians believe.[/b] Redvelvet said: % Sin demands a payment... "For the wages (payment) of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord." Romans 6:23... but nothing mankind has or can achieve is enough to pay for his sin.% Sin is very easy to clean : just do the right thing _ repent to your One Creator , mend your work and be straight in your life. All the prophets preached salvation by repenting and doing/believing the right thing. They never spoke of "atonement by crucifixion". Even Jesus, son of Mary, never told his followers that he would be killed for the benefit of others !!! As for your quotation: "For the wages (payment) of sin is death" , it doesn't refer to crucifixion. "death" here is a metaphor referring to Hell / Allah's Wrath. On the other hand, "life" is the payment for good deeds. Good believers go to Paradise and incur Allah's Blessing. Redvelvet said: % ..... "For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, ...." John 3:16 . % In your holy Book, jesus never said he was a "begotten son" of Allah. this strange creed (Trinity) was not either mentioned by the other prophets ( Moses, Abraham ..). Jesus always stressed his servitude to his One Creator. Redvelvet said: % .... [Jesus ] was the only One to have ever been born "sinless" because His birth was miraculous. % Yes as a Muslem , I believe Christ was born sinless. but his wonderful birth and his being sinless do not mean/ prove Jesus is God!! Our Creator CAN create thousands of men like Jesus _ men without fathers. Our Creator CAN thousands of men without mothers and fathers. This does not mean these me,n are Divine / gods !!The ceation of Adam is greater than that of Christ !! Adam was born without a father and mother. He was made out of clay!! Does this prove that Adam is Divine / god? The answer is no Redvelvet said: %...He was conceived in a virgin's womb by the over-shadowing of the Holy Spiirt of God. % This is a balsphemy !! 1/ How can the so-called christians say that one of the so-called ' holy godheads' "conceived" Mary ? And what about the other 'godhead' ( the father)? Didn't he take part in this performance?!!! 2/ By saying that your god ,christ , was born , you mean that this god of yours had a beginning in a womb, the he grew from babyhood to adulthood !!! muslems believe that the Creator does not change : His attributes remain always the same Redvelvet said: % ....My opinion of the god the Muslims follow is so much "out of character" from the God of the Bible. He demands a prideful commitment,...% What do you mean ? Redvelvet said:% ...while the True God wants us to rid ourselves of pride. % Islam calls on us to be modest, flexible, understanding. In the Koran one of the first lessons we learn after the creation of adam is the pride of Satan. Satan was so proud of himself that he disobeyed his Creator. Allah asked Satan to bow to Adam as a sign of respect. But Satan believed he was more important than Adam. So, he thought it was a disgrace to respect Adam Redvelvet said:% ...... Allah promises fulfillment of fleshly, sensual desires in the next life... the God of the Bible promises ... Peaceful, eternal life in heaven with our Creator, ...% Allah promises us both 'sensual' and ' spiritual' rewards. Redvelvet said: % ....The question was asked of two fo Jesus' followers, "... Sirs, what must I do to be saved?" Their response was "...Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved,..." Acts 16:30-31 % That's right!! And he didn't say " believe in my crucifixion and in trinity " ! Redvelvet said: % ..... Mohammed, Buddha, Confusius - all were leaders of religious groups - are dead, with no account given to a resurrection after their death. % Raising from death does not mean that the raised is divine / God !! In your Book, it is said many people raised from death. Does this mean they were/ are Divine? No !! Besides, a true God does not die because He is Immortal. Suppose your claim that your God christ died is true, how come that the other two ' godheads' manage to to govern their creations !!! suppose you have a house with three lamps, one of the lamps goes out , how can you light the room ? !! Redvelvet said: %...... CHRISTIANITY is based upon the Person of Jesus Christ... % The true christianity is based one One God !! and Christ stressed this in his teachings. ALL prophets had stressd that, too. Redvelvet said: % ....it tells of the announcement of His birth, His actual birth, His life among His followers, His crucifixation, His death, His burial and His RESURRECTION. % Does a TRUE God undergoes these changes: birth, human life, death, resurrection ?? No ! It a mortal who gets born It a mortal who leads a human life: eating, drinking , walking, running , sleeping , weeping... and dying It a mortal who raises from the grave by Allah's permission |
| I walk on the steps of my dear master Jesus Christ of Nazareth.So,I am a Muslim!! | |
|
|
|
| Fouad | Sep 11 2008, 10:39 PM Post #8 |
|
Administrator
|
Who told you good things clean your sin did not know what last thing your prophet say ? tell us his last hadeeth when mohamed admit that his good things can not take him to heaven only allah mercies ? i can give you hadeeth in arabic and translate it
ou see you contradict your prophet do you have another islam or what ?
tell us what do you know about this prophets and other prophets show us where otehr prophets mentioned in quran like Danial and Jeremiah ? your quran is not a book who talked about other prophet because mohamed had no relation with other prophets he just copied what others in his area were sharing .
islam say muslims are the best , this why you find muslims are arrogant
you need when you talk bring evedence i give you from your books . tell us what is the Trinity ? you will see you talk about something you do not know , and why not question your prophet when he worshiped 3 gods menate wa llate wal 3oza , it is in tafssers of your scholars for 22:52 quran ( قصة الغرانيق ) you see here you will learn a lot . Many prophets prophecies about jesus did anyone mentioned mohamed ? God gaves Moses the 10 commendemants why he changed His mind with mohamed and he gaves him other law did God made a mistake ? Note : to read arabic Font , click right your mouse and ancouding and click on arabic Edited by Fouad, Sep 11 2008, 10:42 PM.
|
|
(And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature). (Mark 16:15 ) Download Movemegod Toolbar the first christian toolbar http://movemegod.ourtoolbar.com/ Christian Moroccan website | |
|
|
|
| Marrakoshi99 | Sep 14 2008, 12:25 AM Post #9 |
|
Member
|
fouad said; % Who told you good things clean your sin did not know what last thing your prophet say ? tell us his last hadeeth when mohamed admit that his good things can not take him to heaven only allah mercies ? i can give you hadeeth in arabic and translate it % I say; Muslems believe that Allah , the Creator, is NOT OBLIGED to reward the good believer with Paradise . Muslems believe that good works do NOT NECESSITATE good raward. How is that? Answer; Because Allah/ God is the ONLY One Governor of His creations. He is not held responsble for his actions _ He is FREE to do whatever he wants in His kingdom. If He sends a good believer to Paradise , it is by His Bounty ( ' fadl ') He does so. If He sends an evil person to Hell it is by his justice He does so. On the other hand, if Allah rewards an evil person and punishes a good person , we must NOT say this is unjustice !! why? Because Allah/God is alone in HIS kingdom to do whatever He wants. But we know that Allah has promised Good believers with Paradise and unblievers with Hell . And allah keeps His promise. As i said before you have wrong information about islam. that's why you miundertood the hadith you quoted. Here is how one of our muslem scholars explains it . He is imam Nawawi, explaining that hadith. i give his words in arabic:
Besides, in The New Testament, it is reported that christ , himself, said the SAME THING as it is reported in the hadith above !!!! Fouad said; % tell us what do you know about this prophets and other prophets show us where otehr prophets mentioned in quran like Danial and Jeremiah ? your quran is not a book who talked about other prophet because mohamed had no relation with other prophets he just copied what others in his area were sharing % The Koran does not mention all the prophets but some of them. The koran is not a book showing the chronology of cration. instead, it is a book giving lessons about the lives of some people and some individuals. Fouad said: % islam say muslims are the best , this why you find muslims are arrogant We are not arrogant. but we are HAPPY that we have the Truth. There is ONE true religion which islam and we are proud of this. but we are not arrogat !! fouad said: % tell us what is the Trinity ? you will see you talk about something you do not know , ...% I do know how the so-called 'christians' explain trinity. i have been reading, discussing it with 'christians' for more than 10 years. And I have many of their books, including their holy Book!As for claiming that The prphet mohammad worshipped idols it is not true. You'd better check yor information !!!% fouad said: God gaves Moses the 10 commendemants why he changed His mind with mohamed and he gaves him other law did God made a mistake God allah did inform the prophets of the coming of the Last Prophet, Mohammad!! And Allah gave mohammad new laws because the jews/ 'christians' have changed these laws Edited by Marrakoshi99, Sep 14 2008, 12:26 AM.
|
| I walk on the steps of my dear master Jesus Christ of Nazareth.So,I am a Muslim!! | |
|
|
|
| 1 user reading this topic (1 Guest and 0 Anonymous) | |
| « Previous Topic · Why am I a Christian? · Next Topic » |
11:06 PM Nov 26
