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Commercials; Everything wrong in your world.
Topic Started: Nov 3 2007, 11:51 PM (1,039 Views)
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You're distorted pal. If you think McDonald's selling hamburgers is a "real problem", or however big you make it out to be, I suggest you look at the world around you, and shut the fuck up.

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I find it slightly hypocritical that you insult the overall intelligence of the American people (one of which I am), by explaining how easily we can be tricked into buying fast food, and how commercials so easily change our values, yet here you are squawking and pissing about things like this like it's the end of the world when outside of the US there are far far more important things happening.

And also, commercials adapt to our values, our values don't adapt to commercials.
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ihateguitarists
Nov 6 2007, 05:06 AM
And also, commercials adapt to our values, our values don't adapt to commercials.

I agree with everything you said but this. You honestly don't think commercials and the like influence our values?
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Nov 6 2007, 07:46 AM
ihateguitarists
Nov 6 2007, 05:06 AM
And also, commercials adapt to our values, our values don't adapt to commercials.

I agree with everything you said but this. You honestly don't think commercials and the like influence our values?

No. They're influenced by our values. If you're in a country and you see a lot of commercials selling makeup and jewelery, that's a comment on what that society values. I think the media may influence our values. But not commercials alone, no.

And even with the media, they don't dictate entirely what we value and what we don't. They go kind of hand in hand with changing times.

If that makes any sense. :crazy:
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Just a note, it was proven in a British court that MacDonald's does influence values, specifically that of children who influence their parents.

This is part of the Mclibel case. Look it up.
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Nov 6 2007, 02:52 PM
Just a note, it was proven in a British court that MacDonald's does influence values, specifically that of children who influence their parents.

This is part of the Mclibel case. Look it up.

Right they actually have a term in sociology comparing society and the way it runs to a fast food restaurant: McDonaldization of society, look it up.

I never said that McDonald's didn't influence society. I just don't think their commercials did it, and even if they did, I'd hardly call it a "big problem". See my other post.
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They're putting stuff in our food man! Their chemicals man, are affecting our braaaaaain...we're all under their control, we're all screwed man!! It's all a test man, if we're smart enough not to eat their poison, then we're still too smart to be controlled and submit ourselves to them! If their commercials don't convince us to sell our souls, then their plan is not complete!...But if we do overcome it man, then we're the fertile seed of mankind, and we will survive man!!! SURVIVAL OF THE FITTEST MAN!!! THEY'RE SEPARATING THE WHEAT FROM THE CHAFF!! AND HARVEST TIME IS A'COMIN'!!!
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Nov 6 2007, 04:40 PM
Ogen
Nov 6 2007, 02:52 PM
Just a note, it was proven in a British court that MacDonald's does influence values, specifically that of children who influence their parents.

This is part of the Mclibel case. Look it up.

Right they actually have a term in sociology comparing society and the way it runs to a fast food restaurant: McDonaldization of society, look it up.

I never said that McDonald's didn't influence society. I just don't think their commercials did it, and even if they did, I'd hardly call it a "big problem". See my other post.

Its a big problem if kids are eating unhealthy food, and growing up in a world of people with health problems.

And you are right, there are other things going on in the world. Maybe we should stop enforcing the law because there are lots more important things going on, and maybe we should stop caring about the world because so much is going on. Let's just focus on those problems and let new problems develop, and then we can focus on them.
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Nov 7 2007, 11:29 AM
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Nov 6 2007, 04:40 PM
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Nov 6 2007, 02:52 PM
Just a note, it was proven in a British court that MacDonald's does influence values, specifically that of children who influence their parents.

This is part of the Mclibel case. Look it up.

Right they actually have a term in sociology comparing society and the way it runs to a fast food restaurant: McDonaldization of society, look it up.

I never said that McDonald's didn't influence society. I just don't think their commercials did it, and even if they did, I'd hardly call it a "big problem". See my other post.

Its a big problem if kids are eating unhealthy food, and growing up in a world of people with health problems.

And you are right, there are other things going on in the world. Maybe we should stop enforcing the law because there are lots more important things going on, and maybe we should stop caring about the world because so much is going on. Let's just focus on those problems and let new problems develop, and then we can focus on them.

Way to take a point that I'm almost positive you're not dumb enough to think I've making. I'm never said these things weren't problems at all, I just said I'd never call it a big problem or even a real problem.

I don't think third-world children would ever comprehend your point, though.
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I agree with Ogen. Even though it might not be a major disastrous problem, it is still a real problem. A problem that should be discussed and dealt with in action appropriately. Maybe the people who are here and can't all give their lives and leave for Africa should help out with the local problems in their own country.
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Nov 7 2007, 08:42 PM
Way to take a point that I'm almost positive you're not dumb enough to think I've making. I'm never said these things weren't problems at all, I just said I'd never call it a big problem or even a real problem.

I don't think third-world children would ever comprehend your point, though.

Of course any children can't comprehend the problem, that is one of the main reasons this is such a big problem. Children don't understand a lot of problems that effect them, and that makes the problem even more deadly. And yes, deadly. No one would disagree with me if I said that advertising cigarettes to kids was dangerous, fast food has spent so much money on advertising unhealthy food to kids all over America. Sucking kids in and getting them addicted to fatty, processed, high calorie food.

Please keep in mind this is a forum and not congress, discussing even small problems is not a big deal here.
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Nov 7 2007, 09:46 PM
ihateguitarists
Nov 7 2007, 08:42 PM
Way to take a point that I'm almost positive you're not dumb enough to think I've making. I'm never said these things weren't problems at all, I just said I'd never call it a big problem or even a real problem.

I don't think third-world children would ever comprehend your point, though.

Of course any children can't comprehend the problem, that is one of the main reasons this is such a big problem. Children don't understand a lot of problems that effect them, and that makes the problem even more deadly. And yes, deadly. No one would disagree with me if I said that advertising cigarettes to kids was dangerous, fast food has spent so much money on advertising unhealthy food to kids all over America. Sucking kids in and getting them addicted to fatty, processed, high calorie food.

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You're right, they are trying to kill innocent children for money! D=

At most fast-food restaurants there is a healthier choice offered to kids over fries and soda. Fruit, juice, and milk are all available for the same price and it's advertised.

I'm not saying that child obesity (which could lead to diabetes) isn't a problem. I'm just trying to say, using words like "deadly" and comparing Happy Meals to cigarettes is beyond stupid.
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Yeah well that is in response to movies like Super Size Me. People that are upset about the same thing I am talking about.

I didn't say MacDonald's alone did I? I said Fast Food.

And as I said we can talk about it all we want, and it is a problem I can talk about if I want to.
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I'm just trying to say, using words like "deadly" and comparing Happy Meals to cigarettes is beyond stupid.


Just trying to stress my point. I'm not trying to prevent discussion on the issue if you're going to discuss it for what it is.
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Nov 7 2007, 10:49 PM
I'm not saying that child obesity (which could lead to diabetes) isn't a problem. I'm just trying to say, using words like "deadly" and comparing Happy Meals to cigarettes is beyond stupid.

I'm not comparing Happy Meals and cigarettes, I'm comparing processed and unhealthy food to cigarettes.

I'm comparing Happy Meals to Joe Camel.
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