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The bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki
Topic Started: Aug 15 2007, 08:27 AM (1,541 Views)
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Wow. I just read through this whole topic. Wow.

We bombed the hell out of them, huh? :lol:
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Otlset's post summed it up pretty well and I agree with the most of it, but it's really the punishing thing I'm bothered about. US generals, soldiers and politicians have never been punished for the crimesthey commited during WWII and Vietnam and have recently (a couple of years ago) even had the guts to present a treaty which relieves all US war criminals (past, present AND future) from responsability to answer for the crimes they commited before an international court of justice. Croatia refused to sign that (although we've been, as other countries which refused, threatened with sanctions of all kinds), and with a good reason. In the war that followed the breakup of Yugoslavia (1991-1995) there was a whole bunch of war crimes, from raping civilian women and pillage, to mass murder and "ethnic cleaning" made by both sides. After the war, an international court in The Hague (Netherlands) was formed to deal with the people responsible. The idea didn't work for the first couple of years, because, you could guess, among the people responsible were the Croatian and the Serbian presidents themselves (and the Bosnian guy as well, forgot about him) :cigar: Until one of them died off, the idea didn't work well with looking for scapegoats and all that (the second of the two idiots died off in prison, and the third idiot died before the first :cigar:) :cigar: The court then turned to the generals which were in command of the soldiers who commited most war crimes (the smaller ones, the bigger were even planned by elements of the government itself). Generals (and hopefully, in the near future most politicians here) were brought up before the court, both Serbian and Croatian. Who won the war DOESN'T MATTER, our government also helped in rebuilding what they burned, blew up etc. but a formidable deal of them are still criminals nevertheless and should answer for what they did. Because that is the right thing to do.

I mean, are American generals, congressmen, senators and presidents gods? No, they're humans, and as humans they should be punished for the crap they've been doing the last 60 years around here, WWII, Vietnam, Iraq, Afghanistan (the sweet irony of fighing what they have created and financed :cigar:).
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We're the good guys. We shouldn't be punished for anything.

People could blame us or whatever for dropping the bomb and killing some people but we should not be punished because the Japs were some crazy motherfuckers who fought on the side of the Germans.

If it were up to me to decide whether or not to drop the bomb I would not have to think at all and drop it.
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Aug 17 2007, 07:01 AM
We're the good guys. We shouldn't be punished for anything.

People could blame us or whatever for dropping the bomb and killing some people but we should not be punished because the Japs were some crazy motherfuckers who fought on the side of the Germans.

If it were up to me to decide whether or not to drop the bomb I would not have to think at all and drop it.

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Aug 18 2007, 01:01 AM

If it were up to me to decide whether or not to drop the bomb I would not think at all.

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Aug 17 2007, 11:01 AM
We're the good guys. We shouldn't be punished for anything.

So if I have a blue lightsaber I could go around cutting people's intestines out and not get in trouble for it?

Awesome. :headbang:
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Aug 17 2007, 07:01 AM
We're the good guys. We shouldn't be punished for anything.

People could blame us or whatever for dropping the bomb and killing some people but we should not be punished because the Japs were some crazy motherfuckers who fought on the side of the Germans.

If it were up to me to decide whether or not to drop the bomb I would not have to think at all and drop it.

Exactly what the Middle Eastern countries say about 9/11.

That's some seriously fucked logic.
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Aug 18 2007, 01:01 AM
We're the good guys. We shouldn't be punished for anything.

People could blame us or whatever for dropping the bomb and killing some people but we should not be punished because the Japs were some crazy motherfuckers who fought on the side of the Germans.

If it were up to me to decide whether or not to drop the bomb I would not have to think at all and drop it.

Nobody who blows up hundreds of thousands of innocent civilians can be considered a "good guy", no matter what their motivation.
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Aug 17 2007, 07:01 AM
We're the good guys. We shouldn't be punished for anything.


Frankie, that's completely insane.


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Aug 17 2007, 11:50 AM
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...Who won the war DOESN'T MATTER, our government also helped in rebuilding what they burned, blew up etc. but a formidable deal of them are still criminals nevertheless and should answer for what they did. Because that is the right thing to do.

I mean, are American generals, congressmen, senators and presidents gods? No, they're humans, and as humans they should be punished for the crap they've been doing the last 60 years around here, WWII,...

Sounds like how history is apparently being taught these days, it won't be long before it's revised and revised enough so that America will be the bad guy in WWII, for being "insensitive" to the enemy.

The object of war is to win. America did not start anything, in fact wanted to stay neutral if possible. Instead Japan dragged us into it by an unprovoked attack. Do you think Japan would have hesitated to drop the A-bomb on us if they had it, in light of their "unconditional" sneak attack (which refers to the later US desire for an "unconditional" surrender to end the damn war, and to take steps necessary that IT NEVER HAPPEN AGAIN) on us at Pearl Harbor? Their military was ruthless, and controlled the country at the time, keeping their own people in the dark about the war's aims and progress. The people there were purposely kept ignorant about the outside world. Yet instead of "making Japan pay" for it's aggression, we took control and gave them the economic structure and material assistance that lead to their success in the last half of the 20th century, and a stalwart ally at that.

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Do you think Japan would have hesitated to drop the A-bomb on us if they had it, in light of their "unconditional" sneak attack (which refers to the later US desire for an "unconditional" surrender to end the damn war, and to take steps necessary that IT NEVER HAPPEN AGAIN) on us at Pearl Harbor?


Not that I totally disagree with otlset, 'cause I think he had probably the best solution, but I'd just like to bring up this point again, because the quoted selection is kind of similar?:

I think it was Einstein who argued this point: Do you think that if Germany had had the bombs before we did and dropped them on two American cities, killing that many people, yet still lost the war, that we would let them off, those in control of this decision, because they were trying to save lives? No. They would be charged with war crimes and hanged.
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Aug 17 2007, 07:01 AM
We're the good guys. We shouldn't be punished for anything.

What?
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