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Macca News; Recent happenings involving Sir Paul
Topic Started: Oct 18 2006, 02:45 PM (4,791 Views)
Shminking Of Gin
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As if he's never seen one b4.
what, he told me to.
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chodus
Aug 23 2007, 06:56 AM
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Aug 23 2007, 10:13 AM
Sgt. Pepper's is an awful lot like Freak Out!, though.

Both are cool albums, though.

How so?



And Crudblud, if social impact does not = worthwhile contribution to music, then what the hell constitutes a worthwile contribution to music. What the hell is music meant to do if not to CREATE SOCIAL IMPACT?? Seriously, your arguments are ridiculous; you just have some sort of personal vendetta against critically acclaimed music and all you've got to back it up is useless, broad sweeping statements with not a bit of truth in them.

Music is there to be listened to, if something genuinely is groundbreaking then it is worthwhile, however The Beatles seem to have broken no ground whatsoever.
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Aug 23 2007, 09:23 PM
chodus
Aug 23 2007, 06:56 AM
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Aug 23 2007, 10:13 AM
Sgt. Pepper's is an awful lot like Freak Out!, though.

Both are cool albums, though.

How so?



And Crudblud, if social impact does not = worthwhile contribution to music, then what the hell constitutes a worthwile contribution to music. What the hell is music meant to do if not to CREATE SOCIAL IMPACT?? Seriously, your arguments are ridiculous; you just have some sort of personal vendetta against critically acclaimed music and all you've got to back it up is useless, broad sweeping statements with not a bit of truth in them.

Music is there to be listened to, if something genuinely is groundbreaking then it is worthwhile, however The Beatles seem to have broken no ground whatsoever.

Way to convince me that you have absolutely no idea what you're talking about.
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chodus
Aug 23 2007, 12:27 PM
Crudblud
Aug 23 2007, 09:23 PM
chodus
Aug 23 2007, 06:56 AM
Conducting Sexual Congress
Aug 23 2007, 10:13 AM
Sgt. Pepper's is an awful lot like Freak Out!, though.

Both are cool albums, though.

How so?



And Crudblud, if social impact does not = worthwhile contribution to music, then what the hell constitutes a worthwile contribution to music. What the hell is music meant to do if not to CREATE SOCIAL IMPACT?? Seriously, your arguments are ridiculous; you just have some sort of personal vendetta against critically acclaimed music and all you've got to back it up is useless, broad sweeping statements with not a bit of truth in them.

Music is there to be listened to, if something genuinely is groundbreaking then it is worthwhile, however The Beatles seem to have broken no ground whatsoever.

Way to convince me that you have absolutely no idea what you're talking about.

One name: Edgard Varese

He had almost no social impact whatsoever, yet the music is fucking decades ahead of it's time, sre you going to tell his life's work was not worthwhile? While The Beatles were making cheap pop singles in some high end recording studio, some people were actually trying to push the boundaries of music, not please a bunch of screaming girls at a concert with bad musicianship.
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Aug 23 2007, 09:31 PM
chodus
Aug 23 2007, 12:27 PM
Crudblud
Aug 23 2007, 09:23 PM
chodus
Aug 23 2007, 06:56 AM
Conducting Sexual Congress
Aug 23 2007, 10:13 AM
Sgt. Pepper's is an awful lot like Freak Out!, though.

Both are cool albums, though.

How so?



And Crudblud, if social impact does not = worthwhile contribution to music, then what the hell constitutes a worthwile contribution to music. What the hell is music meant to do if not to CREATE SOCIAL IMPACT?? Seriously, your arguments are ridiculous; you just have some sort of personal vendetta against critically acclaimed music and all you've got to back it up is useless, broad sweeping statements with not a bit of truth in them.

Music is there to be listened to, if something genuinely is groundbreaking then it is worthwhile, however The Beatles seem to have broken no ground whatsoever.

Way to convince me that you have absolutely no idea what you're talking about.

One name: Edgard Varese

He had almost no social impact whatsoever, yet the music is fucking decades ahead of it's time, sre you going to tell his life's work was not worthwhile? While The Beatles were making cheap pop singles in some high end recording studio, some people were actually trying to push the boundaries of music, not please a bunch of screaming girls at a concert with bad musicianship.

I'm familiar with Varese. And Stockhausen and Stravinsky. No doubt that they were among the most important composers of the 20th Century and no doubt they probably don't get the recognition they deserve. But, theres a valid reason for that; classical or "art" music is useless as a genre in todays world. No one listens to it but a very select few because it still has that mystique of inaccessible, untouchable sacred music (after all, this stuff started out in the churches). The advancements that have been made in the genre aren't at all important and go unnoticed because they don't reach people. And that is the whole point of music; to reach people, ALL KINDS of people. Not just the musicians, the elite, the cream of the crop; all the people. Its why musicians perform and make records and its why it is such an important part of life for a lot of people.

Now your statement that the Beatles didn't make ANY advancements in music shows total ignorance on your side. I know you consider popular music the lowest form of music (god knows why) but the Beatles are the most important people in the popular music history. Mainly because they broke through the barrier that was set up by all those "elite" forms of music. In the 20th Century, the blues couldn't be fully appreciated by white people, jazz was considered a snobbery and classical music was losing its grip. The Beatles made music something that everyone could be a part of and could appreciate; they bridged the gap between "art" and "pop" music, made music that could be appreciated by both black AND white people (and other cultures in later works).

I haven't even begun to list all the advancements they have made WITHIN the pop music genre but that'd just embarass you.


Better luck next time, bud.
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Woof Oink Baaa
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Now 100% more avant-garde than Ivan!
OKAY.

Peter Gabriel is either upset because his ex-girlfriend is from Liverpool and chooses to disassociate himself with anything pertaining to Liverpool OR just genuinely hates The Beatles and doesn't believe they have had any impact on music, which is OKAY. I don't think Ivan is going to convince him otherwise.

Peter Gabriel has made the argument that Edgard Varese has made more worthwhile contributions to music, which I'm sure will not convince Ivan since Ivan likes traditional jazz structures, which is OKAY.

NOW LET'S GET DOWN TO THE REAL ISSUE!

Peter, your first album, it really sucks. SERIUSLEE! It has like...one good song.
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Aug 23 2007, 09:52 PM
genuinely hates The Beatles and doesn't believe they have had any impact on music, which is OKAY. I don't think Ivan is going to convince him otherwise.

Peter Gabriel has made the argument that Edgard Varese has made more worthwhile contributions to music, which I'm sure will not convince Ivan since Ivan likes traditional jazz structures, which is OKAY.


That's not something you need to convince someone of; it is fact. I don't have to convince people that Stalin killed 20 million people, because its a fact. Just like Crudblud doesn't need convincing, he just needs to know what he's talking about.
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I fondly recall Varesemania. I think even a young Zappa was among the crowds of admirers thronging the streets on his first visit to America. All those crazy pre-electronica kids, running alongside the maestro's limo, percussion instruments and homemade transistorized electric-noise generators blaring. His mere presence was electrifying! Even shocking for it's day! But a positive effect, never negative.
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Aug 23 2007, 01:24 PM
I fondly recall Varesemania. I think even a young Zappa was among the crowds of admirers thronging the streets on his first visit to America. All those crazy pre-electronica kids, running alongside the maestro's limo, percussion instruments and homemade transistorized electric-noise generators blaring. His mere presence was electrifying! Even shocking for it's day! But a positive effect, never negative.

Genius.
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chodus
Aug 23 2007, 12:49 PM
Crudblud
Aug 23 2007, 09:31 PM
chodus
Aug 23 2007, 12:27 PM
Crudblud
Aug 23 2007, 09:23 PM
chodus
Aug 23 2007, 06:56 AM
Conducting Sexual Congress
Aug 23 2007, 10:13 AM
Sgt. Pepper's is an awful lot like Freak Out!, though.

Both are cool albums, though.

How so?



And Crudblud, if social impact does not = worthwhile contribution to music, then what the hell constitutes a worthwile contribution to music. What the hell is music meant to do if not to CREATE SOCIAL IMPACT?? Seriously, your arguments are ridiculous; you just have some sort of personal vendetta against critically acclaimed music and all you've got to back it up is useless, broad sweeping statements with not a bit of truth in them.

Music is there to be listened to, if something genuinely is groundbreaking then it is worthwhile, however The Beatles seem to have broken no ground whatsoever.

Way to convince me that you have absolutely no idea what you're talking about.

One name: Edgard Varese

He had almost no social impact whatsoever, yet the music is fucking decades ahead of it's time, sre you going to tell his life's work was not worthwhile? While The Beatles were making cheap pop singles in some high end recording studio, some people were actually trying to push the boundaries of music, not please a bunch of screaming girls at a concert with bad musicianship.

I'm familiar with Varese. And Stockhausen and Stravinsky. No doubt that they were among the most important composers of the 20th Century and no doubt they probably don't get the recognition they deserve. But, theres a valid reason for that; classical or "art" music is useless as a genre in todays world. No one listens to it but a very select few because it still has that mystique of inaccessible, untouchable sacred music (after all, this stuff started out in the churches). The advancements that have been made in the genre aren't at all important and go unnoticed because they don't reach people. And that is the whole point of music; to reach people, ALL KINDS of people. Not just the musicians, the elite, the cream of the crop; all the people. Its why musicians perform and make records and its why it is such an important part of life for a lot of people.

Now your statement that the Beatles didn't make ANY advancements in music shows total ignorance on your side. I know you consider popular music the lowest form of music (god knows why) but the Beatles are the most important people in the popular music history. Mainly because they broke through the barrier that was set up by all those "elite" forms of music. In the 20th Century, the blues couldn't be fully appreciated by white people, jazz was considered a snobbery and classical music was losing its grip. The Beatles made music something that everyone could be a part of and could appreciate; they bridged the gap between "art" and "pop" music, made music that could be appreciated by both black AND white people (and other cultures in later works).

I haven't even begun to list all the advancements they have made WITHIN the pop music genre but that'd just embarass you.


Better luck next time, bud.

So basically you're saying that if advancements are ignored by the majority they are useless?

Also, pop music is not the lowest form of music, I reserve that coveted position for country and western, but whatever, you're just going to claim that I know nothing about music so I don't really care.
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As if he's never seen one b4.
no he's not claiming you know nothing about music as a whole, just that you dont really know much about the beatles.
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I'm going to actually post on-topic because I don't follow trends, SO! Here are my thoughts on the Paul/Heather divorce extravaganza:

Now. Paul is what, 110 years old now? Think about how long people are living nowadays. From a PURELY logical standpoint (and not match.com commercials), is it really all that plausible for someone to stay with one person for the rest of their (exceeding long) life?
Think about it. If all goes well, I'll probably live to be, say 80 or so. Do I think I'll stay with one person for THE REST OF MY LIFE (be it 10 years or 60)? Of course not. That's why I don't get why celebrities breaking up is a big deal.
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Aug 24 2007, 12:03 PM
Paul is what, 110 years old now?

I lol'd.
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As if he's never seen one b4.
EEEEWWWW! Jesse McCartney is at the bottom of the page!!!!
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Shminking Of Gin
Aug 24 2007, 11:53 AM
EEEEWWWW! Jesse McCartney is at the bottom of the page!!!!

"Want to see something scary? You must be over 18"

That's all I'm seeing. Better than Jesse McCartney though, so I'm not complaining. :cigar:
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