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Operation Iraqi Freedom; Your view?
Topic Started: Jun 1 2006, 06:57 AM (1,118 Views)
TheSmashedGuitar
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And why did Bush take over a year to declare war against a country that had nothing to do with 9/11? The whole world would have helped us find Osama after the attacks. Instead, he waited to invade another country.
The country may be without a dictator now, but there are less utilities, services, etc than before this liberation.

And I'm tired of all this "liberals are nothing but a bunch of scaredy cats and cowards." The name game doesn't help. I could retaliate with something about conservatives, but I won't.




That is a brilliant point.

want proof he lied you idiot? Where the FUCK are the WMD's? And can you show me a link to Al Queda and Saddam? Cause I'd LOVE to see it!


And please, I want another retaliation from the pro-war people here.....I hate this 'Ones post and run' bullshit.

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I pretty much agree with Drummerboy. I hate war as much as the next guy, but Saddam was a fucking tyrant and had assisted the terrorists who killed innocent Americans. I'm all for peace, but there does come a time where we must fight, and now is the time.

I'd like to add that I think Bush is the best thing that could happen at this time. We needed that cowboy mentality for this war. Hopefully, a more moderate president will be elected when the dust settles who will do well with the domestic issues, because that isn't necessarily Bush's strong suit.
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One thing here: Eevryone knows that were in two wars at the moment, right? Thr Afghanistan War and the Iraw War.


Afghanistan War was to stop theTaliban and try and find Osama. I am 100% for this.


Iraq War....not so much.

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Jun 1 2006, 06:12 PM
I pretty much agree with Drummerboy. I hate war as much as the next guy, but Saddam was a fucking tyrant and had assisted the terrorists who killed innocent Americans. I'm all for peace, but there does come a time where we must fight, and now is the time.

I'd like to add that I think Bush is the best thing that could happen at this time. We needed that cowboy mentality for this war. Hopefully, a more moderate president will be elected when the dust settles who will do well with the domestic issues, because that isn't necessarily Bush's strong suit.

I agree, Mike. Well said.
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Jun 1 2006, 06:14 PM
One thing here: Eevryone knows that were in two wars at the moment, right? Thr Afghanistan War and the Iraw War.


Afghanistan War was to stop theTaliban and try and find Osama. I am 100% for this.


Iraq War....not so much.

Yeah, we know Zach. And everyone here does know that Saddam assisted the terrorists and was in cahoots with the Taliban, right?

Thanks Sean.
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Jun 1 2006, 09:04 PM
TheSmashedGuitar
Jun 1 2006, 06:14 PM
One thing here: Eevryone knows that were in two wars at the moment, right? Thr Afghanistan War and the Iraw War.


Afghanistan War was to stop theTaliban and try and find Osama. I am 100% for this.


Iraq War....not so much.

Yeah, we know Zach. And everyone here does know that Saddam assisted the terrorists and was in cahoots with the Taliban, right?

Thanks Sean.

That's not really known. If it was, there wouldn't be half as much fuss over the war in Iraq as there is. If it was known that Saddam was helping kill Americans, there would be no question as to why we're in Iraq, but that isn't known at all. As a matter of fact, there has been (to this point) no proof of any kind of link between Saddam and the Taliban.

Now is not the time to fight. Iraq, before the war, yet after the Persian Gulf War, didn't kill one American. Not one, they didn't make any plans to destroy the life of a single American. Yet we go in there bombing, shooting, and killing there people because we know that our way of life has to be better than theirs. Now, I'm not saying that Saddam was in anyway a good guy at all, but all I'm saying is that we're fighting a war against a country of people who did not attack us at all.

If we're going to be anywhere it needs to be Darfur. Not Iraq. Why aren't we in Darfur? Maybe, because that section of Africa has almost nothing to offer the United States.
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Jun 1 2006, 10:04 PM

Okay, I can take what an online conservative jounalist says versus what the rest of the media and the government themselves say. The president of the United States has acknowledged that there is no evidence of a link. That he was misinformed. I think if there was a link, it would be known and common knowledge, not just some theory on some online journalists' site.
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idiots, Saddam hates the Tabliban, Osama as well. When in power he was constantly afraid of religious fundametalists overthowing him-Saddam is a secular dictator.

And that is a well known fact. Fuck all these people who don't know shit abotut he Middle East.

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Jun 1 2006, 09:14 AM
It's an oil war.

ya obviously, thats why gas prices are so low now ;cawg:


most of the oil the us imports is from canada followed by south america btw :dodido:

Yeah, but it's still a living fact that the mass destruction weapons and terrorism in Iraq thing is BULLSHIT.


And I agree with what TheSmashedGuitar said in his last post. And that is true as well.



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Jun 1 2006, 04:12 PM


want proof he lied you idiot? Where the FUCK are the WMD's? And can you show me a link to Al Queda and Saddam? Cause I'd LOVE to see it!

Suppose you found out from, say, your brother, who you know to be truthful in most things, that he left your parent's favorite cd on a shelf in the bathroom. Unbeknownst to you however, your little sister shortly after came in and took the cd without anyone else knowing it and put it under her bed. Your parents later ask you if you know where it is, and you reply you're sure it's on the bathroom shelf. When they find it's not, are they correct in calling you a liar, when according to the best information you have to that point it's definitely in the bathroom?
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Jun 2 2006, 07:47 AM
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want proof he lied you idiot? Where the FUCK are the WMD's? And can you show me a link to Al Queda and Saddam? Cause I'd LOVE to see it!

Suppose you found out from, say, your brother, who you know to be truthful in most things, that he left your parent's favorite cd on a shelf in the bathroom. Unbeknownst to you however, your little sister shortly after came in and took the cd without anyone else knowing it and put it under her bed. Your parents later ask you if you know where it is, and you reply you're sure it's on the bathroom shelf. When they find it's not, are they correct in calling you a liar, when according to the best information you have to that point it's definitely in the bathroom?

Yea, but the UN didn't find anything, so what the US was saying about it was mostly bullshit.


THey contradict themselves all the time. "We didn't know where the weapons of mass destruction were." BS. They said they were exactly where they were uderground around Tibet and Bahgdad.

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Jun 2 2006, 08:19 AM



THey contradict themselves all the time. "We didn't know where the weapons of mass destruction were." BS. They said they were exactly where they were uderground around Tibet and Bahgdad.

I think you mean Tikrit, not Tibet.

The best that intelligence could provide at the time was that WMD would likely be found in these areas. My own theory is that if there were WMD, they were removed from the areas well before the invasion, possibly to Iran or Syria in the time the UN was dragging it's feet over doing anything in the face of Saddam's threats. However, there were many high-level plans for making WMD found in various areas, as well as components necessary for the making of WMD, clearly showing Iraq's intentions to have WMD as soon as they could.
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While the other Iraqi war topic on here seems to be created to criticize the war effort, this one is just to see whether the majority of the ASR crowd is in favor of it.
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