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Socialism v. Communism
Topic Started: Apr 26 2006, 05:21 PM (1,272 Views)
ZachAppleThrows
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bec_walker
Mar 14 2007, 04:40 AM

Because there always is one person in charge. I know there's not supposed to be in proper communism, but we've never managed to acheive proper communism.

So you just completely disregard the objective conditions that caused these individuals to come into power? You just think "TRhat's what happens when you attempt communismers"?

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Mar 14 2007, 01:02 AM
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Mar 13 2007, 03:30 PM
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Socialism ain't that evil.

Putting a limit on capitalism so that modern day countries don't become a feudal society is fine, but once it crosses over into limiting those that might achieve great things and rewarding lazy bastards, which socialism does, then it's evil.

Yeah!! Fuck the poor who have no means to make a better life for themselves.


But seriously, since when is working three minimum wage jobs just to squeak by and feed your family considered lazy? How is denying the poor means to a greater education not limiting those who could achieve great things?

Socialism is not inherently evil, in fact I would argue its intentions are better than capitalism. It just doesn't work.

I am not a socialist but I definitely support progressive taxes.

You remind me of me before I got wise.

I too support progressive taxes, but socialism is something I can never say yes to, especially after living under it for a while.
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Socialism ain't that evil.

Putting a limit on capitalism so that modern day countries don't become a feudal society is fine, but once it crosses over into limiting those that might achieve great things and rewarding lazy bastards, which socialism does, then it's evil.

Yeah!! Fuck the poor who have no means to make a better life for themselves.


But seriously, since when is working three minimum wage jobs just to squeak by and feed your family considered lazy? How is denying the poor means to a greater education not limiting those who could achieve great things?

Socialism is not inherently evil, in fact I would argue its intentions are better than capitalism. It just doesn't work.

I am not a socialist but I definitely support progressive taxes.

You remind me of me before I got wise.

I too support progressive taxes, but socialism is something I can never say yes to, especially after living under it for a while.

What kind of system do you support then Mike?

To "ADeadChicken" - I only think "that's what happens when you attempt communism" because that's the only evidence we've seen. There's never been an attempt at communism that actually worked. Because it couldnt work in reality, there's always gonna be someone taking advantage of the situation and using it to gain power. People are just too selfish and mean. That may sound cynical but when you show me a communist system that works then maybe I might change my mind.
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ADeadChicken
Mar 12 2007, 01:45 PM
France is not Socialist, it is Social-Democratic or something to that effect.

I put Socialism? Shit, my bad, sorry yeah you're right.
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bec_walker
Mar 14 2007, 08:20 PM
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Mar 14 2007, 01:59 PM
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Mar 14 2007, 01:02 AM
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Mar 13 2007, 03:30 PM
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Mar 13 2007, 06:53 PM
Socialism ain't that evil.

Putting a limit on capitalism so that modern day countries don't become a feudal society is fine, but once it crosses over into limiting those that might achieve great things and rewarding lazy bastards, which socialism does, then it's evil.

Yeah!! Fuck the poor who have no means to make a better life for themselves.


But seriously, since when is working three minimum wage jobs just to squeak by and feed your family considered lazy? How is denying the poor means to a greater education not limiting those who could achieve great things?

Socialism is not inherently evil, in fact I would argue its intentions are better than capitalism. It just doesn't work.

I am not a socialist but I definitely support progressive taxes.

You remind me of me before I got wise.

I too support progressive taxes, but socialism is something I can never say yes to, especially after living under it for a while.

What kind of system do you support then Mike?

To "ADeadChicken" - I only think "that's what happens when you attempt communism" because that's the only evidence we've seen. There's never been an attempt at communism that actually worked. Because it couldnt work in reality, there's always gonna be someone taking advantage of the situation and using it to gain power. People are just too selfish and mean. That may sound cynical but when you show me a communist system that works then maybe I might change my mind.

I believe in democracy. Not a republic, a democracy. I think all the major issues should be left to the people (all people: rich, poor, or somewhere in the middle) to vote on and decide. This system of government would translate to capitalism, because the middle class would have the majority power and the middle class certainly wouldn't want to limit itself the way communism and socialism do, but it would be a well-regulated type of capitalism because the middle class would also not allow itself to be taken advantage of to the extreme. America as of now has a fucked up system because there are no laws against lobbying (companies 'negotiating' with congressmen to have certain laws pass or not pass) and there never will be because it would be up to congress to pass such a law. However, I do think that however fucked up our capitalism over here is, it is infinitely better than socialism or communism.

And I don't believe in that old 'communism is a good idea at heart, but it becomes corrupt when put into practice' thing. That is utter bullshit. The idea of communism is, at best, idiotic. There are people out there born with higher work ethics, with higher IQs, etc. It's just natural selection. Let the best of the best achieve what they are capable of, but provide an economic safety net for those that aren't as well-suited. That would be the perfect economic policy.

To whoever it is that made the comment about not giving lower class people a chance to elevate their status: that's bullshit. That's what the American Dream is all about, and there are countless stories of men and women that have come from nothing and made something of themselves. You won't hear stories like that in Cuba (communist), and they're becoming more rare in places like Spain (socialist), but in capitalist countries (such as the USA), they abound.
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As if he's never seen one b4.
Communism looks good on paper, but in practice it is taken to far and it all goes to hell because some dumb ass gets in control , so i went with socialism.
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Communism has never been put into practice.
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As if he's never seen one b4.
What do you call Chinas Gov.? Besides F'ed up?
Thats Communism gone to far, is what that is.
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Mar 28 2007, 12:31 PM
What do you call Chinas Gov.? Besides F'ed up?
Thats Communism gone to far, is what that is.

Well, it's kind of more like state capitalism. Proper communism has never been achieved.
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As if he's never seen one b4.
Ya, when ever anyone tries it, some bung hole gets incharge and takes it down the crapper.

So i suppose yes, it has never been in practice fully, but it has been tried.
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Communism looks good on paper


I disagree. The concept itself is sick and twisted.

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but in practice it is taken to far and it all goes to hell


It's never been taken as far as Karl Marx wanted it to go in the first place.

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because some dumb ass gets in control


Most communist rulers have been booksmart and have had pretty high IQs, but you've got to be fucking sick to do to people what they do, so I think it has more to do with moral code than intelligence.

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so i went with socialism.


That isn't much fun either.
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Mar 28 2007, 12:31 PM
What do you call Chinas Gov.? Besides F'ed up?
Thats Communism gone to far, is what that is.

A government. That alone seperates it from any form of 'Communism'.
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As if he's never seen one b4.
How often does some one use the term dumb ass and actually mean they have a low IQ? Also, why is it when your talking about political leaders everyone takes 'dumb ass' literally. What i mean is they are pricks. can we at least agree on that part of it?
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Yep.

Anyway, did you know that if you grow an apple tree in Cuba, the government cuts it down or sticks you in jail? This is because you're not supposed to have more apples than anyone else, and they naturally assume you won't share or that you'll sell it to the people in your neighborhood who have money shipped to them by their relatives in Miami. Nevermind that it's almost impossible to survive in Cuba without breaking the law someway or another to get food. But they don't care about that, everyone has to be equally fucked.

Any political ideal that doesn't allow me to have a fucking apple tree in my backyard is sick and twisted.
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