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Downloading Music; What's your view?
Topic Started: Apr 17 2006, 04:16 PM (1,159 Views)
beatlematt
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beatlematt Posted: Oct 2 2006, 11:57 AM

So with the red color of the type are we to pretend that your words are in anger? Remember if you don't get help at Three Rivers Hospital, please get help somewhere.
Nice soapbox and I can understand some of your opinions and perspectives. Making recordings from radio programs and from cable has indeed been in existence for decades without the government wanting to put you in jail and confiscate tape decks and VCRs.
I don't subscribe or object so much to the issues of the artists and record companies being denied due money as a few other personal qualms. So as I say I may be just a lighter shade of orange about your subjects.
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Apr 21 2006, 06:50 AM
I used to. Never whole albums, I've got around 25 or 30 songs and that's it. I don't any more, I really love the owner's pride of having the CD and case, booklet, ect. And when someone sends me an album over MSN and I like it, I'll buy it someday.

lawl, April. How things have changed. I download albums a lot now, because like others say, it's too expensive to buy everything I want to hear. While my musical collection isn't diverse, there's a lot of rock, classic rock and alternative I like and want to hear and downloading is free and easy. I buy albums I really like eventually (like Radiohead's albums, ect).
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If it's too expensive, uh, don't do it. Jeez.

It's like saying "The speed limit is too low, and because it's so low I have the right to drive at twice the limit". It's not only stupid but illegal.
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Bungalow Bill
Oct 5 2006, 12:20 PM
If it's too expensive, uh, don't do it. Jeez.

It's like saying "The speed limit is too low, and because it's so low I have the right to drive at twice the limit". It's not only stupid but illegal.

Yea but this isn't hurting anyone, unlike a possible car crash. Why should people be deprived of one of the greatest joys just because they don't have money?

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Bungalow Bill
Oct 5 2006, 04:20 PM
If it's too expensive, uh, don't do it. Jeez.

That had to be the stupidest thing I've ever read on this forum. You're telling me to give up music just to not download albums from artist who you probaly don't even listen to? Music is pretty much the most important thing in my life, I want to make a career out of it, ect. I'm not going to stop downloading music because it annoys you. In fact, it makes me want to download like 6 albums right now.

I own over 250 CDs and around 25 LPs, downloading some isn't going to kill me. I don't have an unlimited amount of money to piss away on Badfinger albums, either, so why don't you just let me listen to my music?
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It's not annoying. It's illegal. And I know for a fact you aren't above the law.

That's all that needs to be said.
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Bungalow Bill
Oct 5 2006, 05:28 PM
It's not annoying. It's illegal. And I know for a fact you aren't above the law.

That's all that needs to be said.

Oh well. :cigar:
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Bungalow Bill
Oct 6 2006, 06:20 AM
If it's too expensive, uh, don't do it. Jeez.

So what, only the rich can listen to music?
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Oct 5 2006, 12:20 PM
If it's too expensive, uh, don't do it. Jeez.

Or... I could download so I can force them to give in and lower the fucking prices, why the hell do I have to agree with what they say or do?. Their prices are too high, only a few people would buy albums, you can't make art just part of a minority, that's just robbery.
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I can understand several sides of the debate and perhaps a bit of selfishness rules part of my thinking.
You can go to a library and check out a book or even a compact disc and you are not charged any fees.
Now in the case of books, which are held in government libraries and public libraries all over the world, you can freely sample and read hundreds of thousands of published materials with no direct compensation going to the author or publisher. Well not freely; taxes pay for the initial purchasing of the books and other things, but still.. Understandably, this is comparatively limited use of the materials. I mean you are not going to copy a printed book and then transfer that copy so that potentially millions of people will have that printed copy. Which is not the case with music file sharing.
Most musicians will tell you that they began a musical career for in essence, attention. They want their music to be heard and want to be affected by someone listening to what they perform. Then some guy says, "Hey let's get your song out to everyone and make some money as a result." So the song gets out there and people hear it and some will enjoy it enough to give money so that they can hear it anytime they want or to encourage the musical artist to give them more songs to affect them.
If musicians were no longer making as much money from album sales as previously, would the music stop? Perhaps. If your wages were cut in half but workload remained nearly the same would you want the government to do what they can to prevent further wage loss?
A few years ago, when we had "blank music discs"; blank digital disc media to record data files and music files to, the cost of those discs were as much as $1 per disc. A portion of the cost of those discs were going to musical artists funds because you were after all infringing on the rights of the artists by making copies of the music and they new it for sure.
Very quickly, the blank digital medium changed and discs sold as digital data can now be found for as little as 10 cents a disc because it is for "data" and no longer attached to copying music somehow. There are a handful of stand alone disc writers that operate only on the "music discs" still and since they no that you are getting something for next to nothing, the higher price is still attached to those types of discs.
I myself do checkout compact discs from my library and make copies of those discs. In the past 8 months I would say that I have copied less than 30 albums in this manner. There would probably be more but the selection is sparse. Between the two branches closest to my area, I would say I have them picked clean.
I would probably download music if I was not so afraid of picking up a virus or worm and then there is the time and obsession factor. My grip on reality is very loose and with the prospect of so many songs at my disposal, I am afraid I would not do well and spend many hours on this here kompuder box.
My music collection is, I would say large. Probably at a casual pace, it would take two years to listen to every album I have. But there is always, always room for more. Just not sure what is fair.
I still buy new and used, manufactured compact discs. Although I have not paid for a new or used vinyl record in about 5 years, a few people have donated parts of their collection to me.
Downloading should be legal and have appropriate fees associated with the service. Some artist now release songs that are only available to download, I think. So they are either not interested in fighting the battle or the just want their music to be heard.
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1. I don't think you can get viruses from individual mp3 files. If the music you download is in a .zip or .rar file, then a virus could potentially be in there.

2. I would never go out and buy every Frank Zappa album. So, what's better?

Being a Frank Zappa fan that's been exposed to alot of his music for a low price, if any price

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Being a kid that only knows "Joe's Garage" from the radio for free

3. I've become a fan of many bands of from downloading music. Now, whenever any particular band comes out with a new album, I'm going to go out and buy that new CD. When I got into Rush very heavily, I bought the Replay X 3 DVD set right after I got money. I'm going out the first day/week to get their new album, and I'll probably pay money to see them some day.


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Oct 5 2006, 09:33 PM
Bungalow Bill
Oct 5 2006, 12:20 PM
If it's too expensive, uh, don't do it. Jeez.

Or... I could download so I can force them to give in and lower the fucking prices, why the hell do I have to agree with what they say or do?. Their prices are too high, only a few people would buy albums, you can't make art just part of a minority, that's just robbery.

I will agree, CD's are priced too high. But my point was, if you can't do it, don't. Since I'm low on funds myself, I only buy CD's when I can. I don't sit there and download until my ass is assleep (lol, bad pun). I'm not telling you to give up music. I'm saying buy sparingly, do it legally. Is it OK to download just one song to listen to an artist and then get rid of the file? It should be. Is it OK to download entire albums, more or less 6 every day? No.
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Aqueronte
Oct 5 2006, 09:33 PM
Bungalow Bill
Oct 5 2006, 12:20 PM
If it's too expensive, uh, don't do it. Jeez.

Or... I could download so I can force them to give in and lower the fucking prices, why the hell do I have to agree with what they say or do?. Their prices are too high, only a few people would buy albums, you can't make art just part of a minority, that's just robbery.

I will agree, CD's are priced too high. But my point was, if you can't do it, don't. Since I'm low on funds myself, I only buy CD's when I can. I don't sit there and download until my ass is assleep (lol, bad pun). I'm not telling you to give up music. I'm saying buy sparingly, do it legally. Is it OK to download just one song to listen to an artist and then get rid of the file? It should be. Is it OK to download entire albums, more or less 6 every day? No.

I don't have a job, and I'm not going to spend the little money I have on CDs I may not even like.

I'm just borrowing all of the files that I download. For a really long time, probably.
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Oct 6 2006, 11:16 AM
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Oct 5 2006, 09:33 PM
Bungalow Bill
Oct 5 2006, 12:20 PM
If it's too expensive, uh, don't do it. Jeez.

Or... I could download so I can force them to give in and lower the fucking prices, why the hell do I have to agree with what they say or do?. Their prices are too high, only a few people would buy albums, you can't make art just part of a minority, that's just robbery.

I will agree, CD's are priced too high. But my point was, if you can't do it, don't. Since I'm low on funds myself, I only buy CD's when I can. I don't sit there and download until my ass is assleep (lol, bad pun). I'm not telling you to give up music. I'm saying buy sparingly, do it legally. Is it OK to download just one song to listen to an artist and then get rid of the file? It should be. Is it OK to download entire albums, more or less 6 every day? No.

I can't buy sparingly because of another thing..... the stores don't have the albums I want to buy, they only got greatest hits and that stuff.
Buy them on eBay and amazon? No. I can't pay 20 extra dollars (because I live outside the US) and also take the risk that I never get the product.
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