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Battle of the Brians.; Brian Jones vs Brian Wilson
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Who the hell would go with Wilson? Brian Jones is one of the greatest rock stars of the 60s! He invented the rockstar lifestyle! Look at his musical abilities, his talents, the way he partied, the women, the drugs, his young death! That right there says it all. Brian Wilson is from the Beach Boys!!! They're sissies. Brian Jones is the original Rolling Stone! He's the coolest guy of the 60s! You Brian Wilson fans are crazy!
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Aug 24 2006, 06:23 PM
Who the hell would go with Wilson? Brian Jones is one of the greatest rock stars of the 60s! He invented the rockstar lifestyle! Look at his musical abilities, his talents, the way he partied, the women, the drugs, his young death! That right there says it all. Brian Wilson is from the Beach Boys!!! They're sissies. Brian Jones is the original Rolling Stone! He's the coolest guy of the 60s! You Brian Wilson fans are crazy!

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Who the hell would go with Wilson? Brian Jones is one of the greatest rock stars of the 60s! He invented the rockstar lifestyle! Look at his musical abilities, his talents, the way he partied, the women, the drugs, his young death! That right there says it all. Brian Wilson is from the Beach Boys!!! They're sissies. Brian Jones is the original Rolling Stone! He's the coolest guy of the 60s! You Brian Wilson fans are crazy!

See my above posts.

Yeah....drugs, promiscuity and death are great. That determines the best musician. Referring to The Beach Boys as sissies, and those who appreciate their music as crazy prove there's been no critical listening and analysis of the group's catalog on your part. I'm sorry....I just can't be nice about nonsense like that anymore.
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Aug 25 2006, 12:37 AM
Yeah....drugs, promiscuity and death are great. That determines the best musician. Referring to The Beach Boys as sissies, and those who appreciate their music as crazy prove there's been no critical listening and analysis of the group's catalog on your part. I'm sorry....I just can't be nice about nonsense like that anymore.

Yeah, actually, drugs, promiscuity, and death are great when it comes to rockstars. And if you're lookin' to determine the best musician, then Jones owns that Wilson dick. Just think of all the instruments Brian Jones could play - guitar, electric guitar, lead electric guitar, acoustic guitar, slide electric, slide acoustic, mando-vox, sitar, dulcimer, auto-harp, blues-harp (harmonica), piano, organ, cembalo, mellotron, marimba, kazoo, theremin, bells, flute, saxophone, tambourine, congas... the list goes ON and ON! Not to mention his appreciation for all music. Brian Jones was really into all the classic blues musicians and he was the one that started the genre of World Music when he went to Morocco in 1968 and recorded the Music Masters of Joujouka for the album Brian Jones Presents The Pipes of Pan at JaJouka, released in 1971. I mean, what did Wilson do that was so great?!? I mean, look at this photo of Brian Wilson playing - he looks like a total mama's boy who combs his hair and always attends church on Sundays. Or look at this photo - he looks like some author of science fiction from the 80s. That's not rockstar material! Brian Jones, on the other hand, was the King of cool! Look at his fashion and lifestyle - a representation of the swingin' 60s! Brian Jones lived the man's dream. I mean, he jammed with Jimi Hendrix, played the Monterey Pop Festival, and, if he wasn't so great, why would he play saxophone on The Beatles' "You Know My Name (Look Up The Number)". The guy had talent! Brian Jones owns Brian Wilson!

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Brian Wilson = :crazy: ;_; :fear: :huh: :loveanim: :nerd: :dodido:

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Yeah, actually, drugs, promiscuity, and death are great when it comes to rockstars. And if you're lookin' to determine the best musician, then Jones owns that Wilson dick. Just think of all the instruments Brian Jones could play - guitar, electric guitar, lead electric guitar, acoustic guitar, slide electric, slide acoustic, mando-vox, sitar, dulcimer, auto-harp, blues-harp (harmonica), piano, organ, cembalo, mellotron, marimba, kazoo, theremin, bells, flute, saxophone, tambourine, congas... the list goes ON and ON! Not to mention his appreciation for all music. Brian Jones was really into all the classic blues musicians and he was the one that started the genre of World Music when he went to Morocco in 1968 and recorded the Music Masters of Joujouka for the album Brian Jones Presents The Pipes of Pan at JaJouka, released in 1971. I mean, what did Wilson do that was so great?!? I mean, look at this photo of Brian Wilson playing - he looks like a total mama's boy who combs his hair and always attends church on Sundays. Or look at this photo - he looks like some author of science fiction from the 80s. That's not rockstar material! Brian Jones, on the other hand, was the King of cool! Look at his fashion and lifestyle - a representation of the swingin' 60s! Brian Jones lived the man's dream. I mean, he jammed with Jimi Hendrix, played the Monterey Pop Festival, and, if he wasn't so great, why would he play saxophone on The Beatles' "You Know My Name (Look Up The Number)". The guy had talent! Brian Jones owns Brian Wilson!

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Brian Wilson = :crazy: ;_; :fear: :huh: :loveanim: :nerd: :dodido:

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Aug 25 2006, 12:37 PM
i judge...that you're an idiot! :guitar:

Yeah, that's a real mature thing to say. Yeah, right, that helps determine that Brian Jones owns Brian Wilson. Some people on this forum... I just shake my head...
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i judge...that you're an idiot!  :guitar:

Yeah, that's a real mature thing to say. Yeah, right, that helps determine that Brian Jones owns Brian Wilson. Some people on this forum... I just shake my head...

LOL! maybe i'm just a "mama's boy from the choir"! hmm, looks like i need an early death to make me cool and get my head straight!

this poll is close, whether you like brian jones better or not. wilson was/is a musical genius. subjectively calling the beach boys sissies doesn't change the influence and importance they had on the rock world in the 60's. way more than brian jones did. and since brian wilson was the beach boys during their greatest period, he deserves most if not all of this credit. as much as brian jones played, he didn't compose the stones' albums. he was just another guy in the band, contributing small things. he didn't write at all. he lived an insane lifestyle, but it doesn't make him better.

i still haven't voted, but your initial post was ridiculous so i called you on it. :guitar:
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I agree with Bandit about some things, but I wouldn't say that Jones is better than Wilson cause he took so many drugs, fucked so many chicks, and died so many years earlier than he should've. I'd point out all the great things he contributed to music.
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LOL! maybe i'm just a "mama's boy from the choir"! hmm, looks like i need an early death to make me cool and get my head straight!

this poll is close, whether you like brian jones better or not. wilson was/is a musical genius. subjectively calling the beach boys sissies doesn't change the influence and importance they had on the rock world in the 60's. way more than brian jones did. and since brian wilson was the beach boys during their greatest period, he deserves most if not all of this credit. as much as brian jones played, he didn't compose the stones' albums. he was just another guy in the band, contributing small things. he didn't write at all. he lived an insane lifestyle, but it doesn't make him better.

i still haven't voted, but your initial post was ridiculous so i called you on it. :guitar:

So that's it! You're judging Brian Jones by his death! I bet if that dick Wilson died early in life, and Brian Jones was still alive, you'd be all "Oh yeah, Brian Jones is way better." But you're not doing that, because you cannot accept death as a part of life. I admit that as much of a dink as that idiot Brian Douglas Wilson is, he did have some talent.... NOT! And especially NOT when he's up against Brian Jones! Let's be honest here - yeah, Pet Sounds is a good album, and it did influence rock, but does that make the Beach Boys better than the Rolling Stones (Greatest Rock 'n' Roll Band of all Time)? - No, it doesn't. Essentially what you're saying is that because the Beach Boys influenced others, that makes them better! Alright then, I guess Glenn Miller and his orchestra (or other Big Band Orchestras) are now considered the greatest rock band and talent of all time, because they influenced the popular music scene of their day! That's ridiculous. Sure the Beach [Mama's] Boys were around at the same time, but that doesn't mean they can't get schooled by Brian Jones, and his rock group, The Rolling Stones. You've gotta be kiddin' me that Brian Wilson did more than Brian Jones. What an idiotic statement! Brian Jones founded the Rolling Stones and on the side invented a genre of music! What did Wilson do besides record some do-whop music with a bunch of guys who sounded like little girls. I mean, even Janis Joplin owns the Beach [Choir] Boys, and she's a woman. Brian Jones wasn't just "another guy in the band"! He was the leader of the band! He formed The Rolling Stones and got them their first gigs! Mick Jagger (and nothing against him) was nothing but the lead singer in the Stones' original days. And he did make a lot of contributions to the songs of the Rolling Stones - they just went uncredited. "Paint It, Black" was drastically different before Jones pitched in. And you speak as if Brian Jones wasn't with the Stones during their greatest period. Many of us consider the Brian Jones-era of the Rolling Stones to be their greatest!

Maybe you don't know enough about Brian Jones. I suggest you read up on him on Wikipedia.

Take a look at the trailer for Stoned (2005), a film about the life of Brian Jones. That'll show you who he really was.

Also, to fully understand the musical talents anc capabilities of Brian Jones, buy or download some of these albums:

The Rolling Stones (England's Newest Hitmakers)
12x5
The Rolling Stones, Now!
Out Of Our Heads!
Out Of Our Heads! [UK]
December's Children (And Everybody's)
Big Hits (High Tide & Green Grass)
Aftermath
After-math [UK]
Got Live If You Want It!
Between The Buttons
Between The Buttons [UK]
Flowers
Their Satanic Majesties Request
Beggars Banquet
Through The Past, Darkly (Big Hits Vol. 2)
Let It Bleed
Hot Rocks (1964 - 1971)
More Hot Rocks (Big Hits & Fazed Cookies)
The Rolling Stones Singles Collection - The London Years
Metamorphosis

Then you'll understand how great Brian Jones was.

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Saying that he didn't write isn't true though. He did write at least a dozen songs. Just because he wasn't credited, doesn't mean he didn't write. Bill Wyman and Maryanne Faithfull both said that Brian wrote Ruby Tuesday, for one. A lot of the early Stones songs had this songwriting format:

Keith: Chords/riff
Brian: Melody
Mick: Lyrics

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Keith: chords/melody
Mick: lyrics
Brian: riff

Take Paint It Black for example. The story goes that they were mucking around in the studio, with Keith playing his chords on guitar, when Bill Wyman joined him by playing the chords on an organ in that two-beat style. Brian got his sitar (a recent gift from his friend George Harrison) and played a melody he had been playing around with, and Mick sang along to it. You're gonna tell me that Brian didn't have a hand in writing it?

The Last Time is a good example of the second format I mentioned. Keith had chords, Mick had lyrics, and one of them (not sure which, probably Keith) had the melody, but Brian added the riff that makes the song instantly recognizable.

The thing about Brian was that for the most part, he would sit with an instrument and come up with tons of hooks and riffs and melodies, but he didn't really compose songs with everything from beginning to end. Nobody in The Stones could really do that alone in the early days. Mick and Keith needed eachother to do so, but they were the Glimmer Twins. They didn't help Brian at all. Basically, Brian's role was to contribute purely melodies and riffs, and maybe a couple of lines. He contributed more to many songs than Ringo did to What Goes On, for instance. Read 'Old Gods Almost Dead' by Stephen Davis if you don't believe me.

Besides, someone can write a million songs about cars and surf boards, but if they aren't very good, they don't measure up to No Expectations, Ruby Tuesday, Paint It Black, and all the other songs Brian deserved credit for.

[As a side note, it's probably a good idea to take into account the fact that Andrew Oldham, their manager and the guy that handled the copyrights, song credits, royalties, etc. really didn't like Brian for various reasons, among them the fact that Brian booked more gigs for them than Oldham did and that he made five pounds more per gig because he was the 'leader' of the band.]
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Well said, Carpenter. Finally someone who isn't in love with Brian ("Penis") Wilson and can say something knowledgeable. I mean, look at all the Beach [Sissie] Boys' songs. Worthless garbage that could be attributed to any American teenager of the day that worked at McDonald's. Now the Rolling Stones, on the other hand, had talent. Everyone knows that Jagger and Richards (though nothing against them) grew apart from Brian and weren't exactly eager to give him credit when they could get the Royalties all for themselves.

To all these uneducated people on this forum:
If you love Brian Wilson so much, why don't you marry him? Or maybe get a blow-up doll and tape a picture to the head. Then you can satisfy your Brian Wilson-loving urge and not waste the time of the non-idiots on this forum.

Really, people, what are we gonna hear next, that Pete Best is better than Pete Townshend? This whole argument is getting so ridiculous because people are refusing to admit how great Brian Jones is, and that musically (and lifestyle-ly), he kicks the ass of a certain Brian Douglas ["Dick-head"] Wilson.

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Aug 25 2006, 04:14 PM
So that's it! You're judging Brian Jones by his death! I bet if that dick Wilson died early in life, and Brian Jones was still alive, you'd be all "Oh yeah, Brian Jones is way better." But you're not doing that, because you cannot accept death as a part of life. I admit that as much of a dink as that idiot Brian Douglas Wilson is, he did have some talent.... NOT! And especially NOT when he's up against Brian Jones! Let's be honest here - yeah, Pet Sounds is a good album, and it did influence rock, but does that make the Beach Boys better than the Rolling Stones (Greatest Rock 'n' Roll Band of all Time)? - No, it doesn't. Essentially what you're saying is that because the Beach Boys influenced others, that makes them better! Alright then, I guess Glenn Miller and his orchestra (or other Big Band Orchestras) are now considered the greatest rock band and talent of all time, because they influenced the popular music scene of their day! That's ridiculous. Sure the Beach [Mama's] Boys were around at the same time, but that doesn't mean they can't get schooled by Brian Jones, and his rock group, The Rolling Stones. You've gotta be kiddin' me that Brian Wilson did more than Brian Jones. What an idiotic statement! Brian Jones founded the Rolling Stones and on the side invented a genre of music! What did Wilson do besides record some do-whop music with a bunch of guys who sounded like little girls. I mean, even Janis Joplin owns the Beach [Choir] Boys, and she's a woman. Brian Jones wasn't just "another guy in the band"! He was the leader of the band! He formed The Rolling Stones and got them their first gigs! Mick Jagger (and nothing against him) was nothing but the lead singer in the Stones' original days. And he did make a lot of contributions to the songs of the Rolling Stones - they just went uncredited. "Paint It, Black" was drastically different before Jones pitched in. And you speak as if Brian Jones wasn't with the Stones during their greatest period. Many of us consider the Brian Jones-era of the Rolling Stones to be their greatest!

Maybe you don't know enough about Brian Jones. I suggest you read up on him on Wikipedia.

Take a look at the trailer for Stoned (2005), a film about the life of Brian Jones. That'll show you who he really was.

Also, to fully understand the musical talents anc capabilities of Brian Jones, buy or download some of these albums:

The Rolling Stones (England's Newest Hitmakers)
12x5
The Rolling Stones, Now!
Out Of Our Heads!
Out Of Our Heads! [UK]
December's Children (And Everybody's)
Big Hits (High Tide & Green Grass)
Aftermath
After-math [UK]
Got Live If You Want It!
Between The Buttons
Between The Buttons [UK]
Flowers
Their Satanic Majesties Request
Beggars Banquet
Through The Past, Darkly (Big Hits Vol. 2)
Let It Bleed
Hot Rocks (1964 - 1971)
More Hot Rocks (Big Hits & Fazed Cookies)
The Rolling Stones Singles Collection - The London Years
Metamorphosis

Then you'll understand how great Brian Jones was.

YES! this'll be fun!

i judge no one by their death. you did that first, by saying jones was better because he died early.

brian wilson vs. brian jones is not comparing the beach boys vs. the rolling stones. it's comparing the beach boys with brian jones. wilson *was* the beach boys, was the reason for all of their critical success and influence. he had the ideas *and* he wrote the songs. not to mention a very very influential bass player. brian jones played a hell of a lot more instruments, contributed many ideas, but who really was the writing side of the stones? jones could play marimbas or sitar amazingly, but it doesn't work if fucking "paint it black" isn't already written!

because the beach boys influenced others, it makes them *important*. that counts in this poll, because brian wilson was the goddamn reason for that. as much as jones did, he needed mick and keith. wilson basically created pet sounds by himself, not to mention the innovative singles from the earlier 60's, "good vibrations", etc. with no encouragement from others. LOL glenn miller is jazz, not rock, you sick bastard. but you know what? elvis presley influenced the most people for rock, robert johnson influenced millions, and that's why *they're* considered some of the greatest, even though *their* music doesn't hold up as well as say, the stones, today.

i don't care that you like jones more, but don't make idiotic insulting statements. if "good vibrations" is doo-wop music w/ girls, then "paint it black" is a kids' cartoon theme song. jones was the leader until about 1964, dude. then they fucked him over. the brian jones era of the stones was amazing. but he wasn't *the stones*, and without mick and keith writing, i'm sorry, they couldn't make it, no matter how much he played. they'd be stuck doing the r&b covers thing.

i know a shit-load about brian jones, he's one of my idols for his musical prowess. but so is brian wilson, so how about bringing an open mind to this forum, k? i have all the albums, too. i don't see aftermath happening if the rolling stones were just brian jones.

i *do* see pet sounds happening if the beach boys were just brian wilson.

there's the difference.

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The thing is, there's a mainstream here (the Brian Wilson fans), and then the Brian Jones guys.

The Brian Jones guys are the kinda of guys that would play a gig with their band and if someone's hassling em kick em in the head.

The Brian Jones guys are the kinda guys that fuck a girl without a condom just cause it feels better.

The Brian Jones guys are the kinda guys that can have sex with more girls in one night than they can count on one hand.

The Brian Jones guys are the kinda guys that aren't afraid to take some acid and watching cartoons.

The Brian Jones guys, to put it simply, are (at least around here) the rock n roll guys. The guys most likely to have been (or be) in a bad ass rock band.

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So that's it! You're judging Brian Jones by his death! I bet if that dick Wilson died early in life, and Brian Jones was still alive, you'd be all "Oh yeah, Brian Jones is way better." But you're not doing that, because you cannot accept death as a part of life. I admit that as much of a dink as that idiot Brian Douglas Wilson is, he did have some talent.... NOT! And especially NOT when he's up against Brian Jones! Let's be honest here - yeah, Pet Sounds is a good album, and it did influence rock, but does that make the Beach Boys better than the Rolling Stones (Greatest Rock 'n' Roll Band of all Time)? - No, it doesn't. Essentially what you're saying is that because the Beach Boys influenced others, that makes them better! Alright then, I guess Glenn Miller and his orchestra (or other Big Band Orchestras) are now considered the greatest rock band and talent of all time, because they influenced the popular music scene of their day! That's ridiculous. Sure the Beach [Mama's] Boys were around at the same time, but that doesn't mean they can't get schooled by Brian Jones, and his rock group, The Rolling Stones. You've gotta be kiddin' me that Brian Wilson did more than Brian Jones. What an idiotic statement! Brian Jones founded the Rolling Stones and on the side invented a genre of music! What did Wilson do besides record some do-whop music with a bunch of guys who sounded like little girls. I mean, even Janis Joplin owns the Beach [Choir] Boys, and she's a woman. Brian Jones wasn't just "another guy in the band"! He was the leader of the band! He formed The Rolling Stones and got them their first gigs! Mick Jagger (and nothing against him) was nothing but the lead singer in the Stones' original days. And he did make a lot of contributions to the songs of the Rolling Stones - they just went uncredited. "Paint It, Black" was drastically different before Jones pitched in. And you speak as if Brian Jones wasn't with the Stones during their greatest period. Many of us consider the Brian Jones-era of the Rolling Stones to be their greatest!

Maybe you don't know enough about Brian Jones. I suggest you read up on him on Wikipedia.

Take a look at the trailer for Stoned (2005), a film about the life of Brian Jones. That'll show you who he really was.

Also, to fully understand the musical talents anc capabilities of Brian Jones, buy or download some of these albums:

The Rolling Stones (England's Newest Hitmakers)
12x5
The Rolling Stones, Now!
Out Of Our Heads!
Out Of Our Heads! [UK]
December's Children (And Everybody's)
Big Hits (High Tide & Green Grass)
Aftermath
After-math [UK]
Got Live If You Want It!
Between The Buttons
Between The Buttons [UK]
Flowers
Their Satanic Majesties Request
Beggars Banquet
Through The Past, Darkly (Big Hits Vol. 2)
Let It Bleed
Hot Rocks (1964 - 1971)
More Hot Rocks (Big Hits & Fazed Cookies)
The Rolling Stones Singles Collection - The London Years
Metamorphosis

Then you'll understand how great Brian Jones was.

YES! this'll be fun!

i judge no one by their death. you did that first, by saying jones was better because he died early.

brian wilson vs. brian jones is not comparing the beach boys vs. the rolling stones. it's comparing the beach boys with brian jones. wilson *was* the beach boys, was the reason for all of their critical success and influence. he had the ideas *and* he wrote the songs. not to mention a very very influential bass player. brian jones played a hell of a lot more instruments, contributed many ideas, but who really was the writing side of the stones? jones could play marimbas or sitar amazingly, but it doesn't work if fucking "paint it black" isn't already written!

because the beach boys influenced others, it makes them *important*. that counts in this poll, because brian wilson was the goddamn reason for that. as much as jones did, he needed mick and keith. wilson basically created pet sounds by himself, not to mention the innovative singles from the earlier 60's, "good vibrations", etc. with no encouragement from others. LOL glenn miller is jazz, not rock, you sick bastard. but you know what? elvis presley influenced the most people for rock, robert johnson influenced millions, and that's why *they're* considered some of the greatest, even though *their* music doesn't hold up as well as say, the stones, today.

i don't care that you like jones more, but don't make idiotic insulting statements. if "good vibrations" is doo-wop music w/ girls, then "paint it black" is a kids' cartoon theme song. jones was the leader until about 1964, dude. then they fucked him over. the brian jones era of the stones was amazing. but he wasn't *the stones*, and without mick and keith writing, i'm sorry, they couldn't make it, no matter how much he played. they'd be stuck doing the r&b covers thing.

i know a shit-load about brian jones, he's one of my idols for his musical prowess. but so is brian wilson, so how about bringing an open mind to this forum, k? i have all the albums, too. i don't see aftermath happening if the rolling stones were just brian jones.

i *do* see pet sounds happening if the beach boys were just brian wilson.

there's the difference.

still haven't voted...

Hey Tom, nice to see you're slowly posting more and more on ASR. Read the post I did before my last to see the story of how Paint It Black was written.

And, to be totally honest, I rather listen to the isolated track of Brian Jones playing sitar on Paint It Black 20 times in a row than listen to Pet Sounds.
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