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| Battle of the Brians.; Brian Jones vs Brian Wilson | |
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| otlset | Nov 2 2006, 01:36 PM Post #376 |
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I just got the new "Pet Sounds" LP, the one remastered in true stereo for what they say is the first time. I'm blown away! I found myself with a big grin on my face listening to side one, and then my jaw just dropped when "Sloop John B" came on. Wow! There's so much more in the arrangements and subleties than I ever realized! Beautiful, and majestic. I can almost see Paul's jaw drop as he first listened to the album in the 60s, and how it heavily influenced Sgt Pepper. I think for the creation of "Pet Sounds" alone, and the influence it then gained even among the Beatles, lifts Brian Wilson above anything Brian Jones did in the Stones, which, don't get me wrong, was considerable. |
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| St. Thomas | Nov 2 2006, 01:51 PM Post #377 |
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there's a story about it in a keith moon biography i read. he met john lennon and paul mccartney at a club in early 1966, while they were working on revolver. keith was hanging out with bruce johnstone at the time, a beach boys member, and asked them if they wanted to hear an acetate of the new record. keith, being a HUGE beach boys fan (his first interest and band was based on surf), and john and paul, both beach boys fans themselves, all went. they went back to the beach boy's hotel, with girls and stuff, and he put the record on. both john and paul were absolutely stunned at what they heard. this was the beach boys, they were famous for writing about cars and surfing and california girls. now was introspective lyrics, beautiful arrangements, new astounding production, weird instruments, it was so creative. paul ("oh dear me, this is the album of all time. what are we going to do?") was impressed enough to go home that night and write something to top it. he came up with "here, there and everywhere". he eventually claimed it was the main inspiration for sgt. pepper, too. incidentally, keith moon hated it. it just wasn't what he was used to and loved about the beach boys: surf music. ironic how it mirrored the overall reaction to it. original fans didn't like it, musicians were strongly influenced. |
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| Carpenter | Nov 2 2006, 01:59 PM Post #378 |
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Okay, this is the list of some of the stuff that I've heard or read various sources claim Brian Jones should've gotten credit for (note: this all depends on your definition of songwriting; if you think a lead guitar riff doesn't matter at all to songwriting, you'll disagree a lot with this) plus why, and whether or not I agree. Sources include Marianne Faithful, Bill Wyman, Charlie Watts, Jimmy Miller, Stephen Davis (biographer), members of the entourage, studio logs, and often Mick and Keith themselves. 19th Nervous Breakdown: Some sources claim that his guitar contributions to this song are enough to warrant a songwriting credit. They were too heavy into guitar weaving so I can't really say, but I know the guitar break on the upper three strings of the guitar was Brian. That's not enough for me to say whether I agree or disagree, but if I had to choose one, I'd say disagree. 2000 Light Years From Home: The entire song is built on Jones' mellotron strings (which don't rely on any pre-written Keith Richards chords), so most Stones fans think Jones should've gotten a writing credit. I agree. Back Street Girl: Some say that Brian's recorder and accordion parts deserve a writing credit and I read somewhere that he helped with the lyrics. Either way, I think I have to agree with this one. Get Off Of My Cloud: Some sources claim he played lead guitar, but again, the guitar weaving is too much for me to say. Judging from the live version, I think he plays that echoey metallic guitar riff, so I'm gonna have to personally agree. Honky Tonk Women: He's been credited with the lead guitar riff, but I personally believe it was either a Taylor riff or Cooder riff, so I have to disagree. Jumpin' Jack Flash: Many believe that Brian wrote the three chord intro (that's why they don't play it any more) and the bridge (you know, that part of a song where a mellotron later comes in). I agree. I also think Bill Wyman should receive credit for writing the riff. Lady Jane: The dulcimer riff in the song is equivalent to the lead guitar riff in the Last Time. I have to agree with this one. The Last Time: That famous lead guitar riff is all Brian's. If that doesn't constitute a writing credit, I don't know what does. Agree. Mother's Little Helper: The main riff of the song was Brian's, done on like three instruments, and also I remember reading somewhere that the part where mick sings 'doctor please' was based on a sitar riff or something Brian had recorded on his tape in one of his 'i'm gonna try to write a song' things late at night. However, that story was on a fan site and could be bullshit. The only thing that's for sure is the little riff after the chorus, which is important to the overall sound of the song, but I'm not sure if it deserves a writing credit. I disagree. Out Of Time: Marimba line. I agree. Paint It Black: Sitar line the melody is based on. I definitely agree. Shoulda been a Nanker Phelge. Ruby Tuesday: Everyone and their mothers from the stones circle says Brian wrote it, and it's musically, lyrically, and thematically completely different from what Mick and Keith were writing at the time. I completely agree. She's A Rainbow: Brian plays several tracks of mellotron that the song is based on and simply wouldn't have existed without. I agree. Dandelion: I've seen some claims that he deserved a songwriting credit because of his musical contributions (autoharp, harpsichord, clarinet), especially the harpsichord riff the entire song is practically based on. I agree. We Love You: Once again, Brian proves why he's the best at mellotron at the time. He plays mellotron throughout, including the great middle-eastern freak out coda. Agree. Most of the music on Beggars Banquet: Was worked out on acoustic guitars by Keith and Brian and sometimes Mick. I agree that Brian deserved credit for a lot of these songs, especially No Expectations, Stray Cat Blues, and Parachute Woman. Both Sing This All Together's: Practically jams. I agree that it should've been a Nanker Phelge. Under My Thumb: Marimba riff that a lot of the stuff going on in the song is based on was contributed by Brian. Before that all they had was chords and lyrics (maybe), neither of which the marimba part is based on. And really, is this song even worth a damn without the marimbas? I agree he deserves credit for this. Speaking of Aftermath: I agree that Brian also deserved credit for contributing lead guitar to It's Not Easy (as well as pretty loud backing vocals), Flight 505, the excellent slide guitar and harp on Doncha Bother Me (once again, song would've been shit and probably non-existent without those things), and that Goin' Home should've been a Nanker Phelge, seeing as it's a jam and Mick and Keith's writing talents had nothing to do with what the others played. That's all for now kiddies. |
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| Carpenter | Jan 2 2007, 11:44 PM Post #379 |
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Shut the fuck up already. |
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| ihateguitarists | Jan 3 2007, 02:03 AM Post #380 |
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I think it's sad that this poll is even as close as it is. It's debated as to where one guy gets writing credits for a handful of songs as to where the other guy is for sure the driving creative force behind the band. How is this a contest? |
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| Keith Moon | Jan 3 2007, 06:27 AM Post #381 |
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There is no contest, Wilson is far and away better. |
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My friends call me Keith, but you can call me John. I was a rust repairer. I was a rust repairer and full-time survivor. I survived all the major earthquakes, and the Titanic, and several air crashes. Out here in the fields I fight for my meals. ![]() I Don't Mind Other Guys Dancing With My Girl. That's fine. I know them all pretty well. But I know sometimes I must get out in the light. Better leave her behind with the kids, they're alright. The kids are alright. | |
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| etphonehomeyo | Jan 3 2007, 09:28 AM Post #382 |
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baba booey!
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it's a contest because not everyone worships the beach boys. |
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| Thaddeus | Jan 3 2007, 02:21 PM Post #383 |
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Back off. You come to a board of all Beatle fans, talk about how great the Stones are and throw a fit every time somebody criticizes them. Don't come on here and complain about how nobody here "gives credit to the Rolling Stones" and then harp on anybody who puts them down. He doesn't like Jones, not everybody does, get over it. |
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| Carpenter | Feb 23 2010, 10:37 PM Post #384 |
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LOL |
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| Frontier Psychiatrist | Feb 23 2010, 10:41 PM Post #385 |
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no one votes for eno. )': |
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| Drummerboy | Feb 23 2010, 10:44 PM Post #386 |
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The drugs don't work...
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Without Brian Eno Viva La Vida wouldn't be the same. |
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| Frontier Psychiatrist | Feb 23 2010, 10:47 PM Post #387 |
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Without Brian Eno MUSIC wouldn't be the same. well, it probably would, but still. |
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| Aqueronte | Feb 24 2010, 08:17 AM Post #388 |
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Again.... heavy crack smoking days.... Jesus Christ how could I say this?? Brian Wilson all the fucking way. |
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| Cruddybluds | Feb 24 2010, 09:44 AM Post #389 |
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Didja Get Any Onya?
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Eno. |
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Download my music here. Stream my music here. | |
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| Radio Slayer | Feb 24 2010, 10:39 AM Post #390 |
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I don't really see what the big deal is about The Beach Boys |
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