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Battle of the Brians.; Brian Jones vs Brian Wilson
Topic Started: Apr 14 2006, 06:35 AM (5,952 Views)
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Oct 30 2006, 10:22 PM
he's responsible, at least in part, for their achievements up to 2006.

They would not have existed without him, as according to bill wyman who was there.

They also wouldn't have existed if Mick Jagger's parents hadn't gotten together one night, but I digress.....I just don't think that's a great argument for his talents, because there really are so many things that go into creating a band, you can't give one person all the credit like that.
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oh yeah but neither would pet sounds if wilson's parents hadn't had him. you could go on and on. just because there's another event that would've had a similar effect doesn't mean it should take away from the effect he had.

shit, if george washington hadn't been born, god knows what north america would be like now. but he was born, and that's all that matters.
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oh yeah but neither would pet sounds if wilson's parents hadn't had him. you could go on and on. just because there's another event that would've had a similar effect doesn't mean it should take away from the effect he had.

shit, if george washington hadn't been born, god knows what north america would be like now. but he was born, and that's all that matters.

But we place emphasis on his accomplishemnts, not the fact that he was born. :cigar:

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Oct 30 2006, 11:08 PM
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oh yeah but neither would pet sounds if wilson's parents hadn't had him. you could go on and on. just because there's another event that would've had a similar effect doesn't mean it should take away from the effect he had.

shit, if george washington hadn't been born, god knows what north america would be like now. but he was born, and that's all that matters.

But we place emphasis on his accomplishemnts, not the fact that he was born. :cigar:

that's exactly my fucking point. he's the one that brought up the birth and whatnot. the point is that he coulda kept traveling through europe with a guitar on his back and the stones woulda never been formed. Yes, there are a lot of other factors to the Stones being created, but that doesn't mean he doesn't deserve credit for it. That's fucking insane. it's just not fucking fair to say 'well, he didn't write all the songs, so fuck him, he's an accessory'.

While we're at it, fuck george, ringo, entwistle, moon, daltrey, the other davies brother, liam (who didn't write songs til 2000 but also started the fucking band), john densmore, all those fuckers that didn't write all the songs. After all, they were only instrumentalists. And anybody can learn to do what they did 'with a few hours practice'!
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oh yeah but neither would pet sounds if wilson's parents hadn't had him. you could go on and on. just because there's another event that would've had a similar effect doesn't mean it should take away from the effect he had.

shit, if george washington hadn't been born, god knows what north america would be like now. but he was born, and that's all that matters.

But we place emphasis on his accomplishemnts, not the fact that he was born. :cigar:

that's exactly my fucking point. he's the one that brought up the birth and whatnot. the point is that he coulda kept traveling through europe with a guitar on his back and the stones woulda never been formed. Yes, there are a lot of other factors to the Stones being created, but that doesn't mean he doesn't deserve credit for it. That's fucking insane. it's just not fucking fair to say 'well, he didn't write all the songs, so fuck him, he's an accessory'.

While we're at it, fuck george, ringo, entwistle, moon, daltrey, the other davies brother, liam (who didn't write songs til 2000 but also started the fucking band), john densmore, all those fuckers that didn't write all the songs. After all, they were only instrumentalists. And anybody can learn to do what they did 'with a few hours practice'!

We're not saying that. But giving Jones credit for like, say, Keith's work on A Bigger Bang is stupid.

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Would Keith Richards be making an album in 2005 without Brian Jones? Seriously, ask yourself that.
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Would Keith Richards be making an album in 2005 without Brian Jones? Seriously, ask yourself that.

That's stupid. At one point, you can give them credit for stuff they ACTUALLY DID in the past, but not at the present.

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Oct 30 2006, 11:19 PM
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Would Keith Richards be making an album in 2005 without Brian Jones? Seriously, ask yourself that.

That's stupid. At one point, you can give them credit for stuff they ACTUALLY DID in the past, but not at the present.

Dude you're getting it all wrong. Of course the album credits aren't gonna say 'guitars by Keith Richards thanks to Brian Jones', that's fucking insane.

But if there's anyone in rock history who is underrated, it's Brian Jones. And that's because the second best band in history (according to rolling stone, vh1, jesus christ, myself, etc.) was formed by him and put on the fuckin map by him.

jesus, you guys are worse than the glimmer twins!
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Would Keith Richards be making an album in 2005 without Brian Jones? Seriously, ask yourself that.

That's stupid. At one point, you can give them credit for stuff they ACTUALLY DID in the past, but not at the present.

Dude you're getting it all wrong. Of course the album credits aren't gonna say 'guitars by Keith Richards thanks to Brian Jones', that's fucking insane.

But if there's anyone in rock history who is underrated, it's Brian Jones. And that's because the second best band in history (according to rolling stone, vh1, jesus christ, myself, etc.) was formed by him and put on the fuckin map by him.

jesus, you guys are worse than the glimmer twins!

No, you just need to be more clear.

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listen man, if it weren't for me, one of the most important figures in rock history would be being treated worse than the gum on Keith Richards' boots in this topic: I don't give a fuck what you guys say about secretly loving Brian Jones; it's not true.
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listen man, if it weren't for me, one of the most important figures in rock history would be being treated worse than the gum on Keith Richards' boots in this topic: I don't give a fuck what you guys say about secretly loving Brian Jones; it's not true.

Fuck you. You're being an ass, you know I'm a Stones fan.


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While we're at it, fuck george, ringo, entwistle, moon, daltrey, the other davies brother, liam (who didn't write songs til 2000 but also started the fucking band), john densmore, all those fuckers that didn't write all the songs. After all, they were only instrumentalists. And anybody can learn to do what they did 'with a few hours practice'!

might as well. if you're going to compare them to john, paul, pete, ray, noel, and robbie and jim. right? they lose in comparisons! if this was a topic between george harrison and john lennon, or pete townshend and john entwistle, who honestly would win? who's the songwriter, the final legend? if roger daltrey started the band and sang amazingly and contributed a few ideas, it doesn't fucking matter. pete's the winner, he wrote the songs and basically guided the band.

that's why wilson's winning. this poll is fucking STUPID! the comparison SUCKS!
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Oct 30 2006, 11:28 PM
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listen man, if it weren't for me, one of the most important figures in rock history would be being treated worse than the gum on Keith Richards' boots in this topic: I don't give a fuck what you guys say about secretly loving Brian Jones; it's not true.

Fuck you. You're being an ass, you know I'm a Stones fan.

I wasn't going after you specifically. It's the whole topic: it was pretty fair until it caught fire because of smokeybandit and then the 'let's try to make the achievements that brian jones made to the rolling stones as small as possible' thing started. not necessarily because of you (it was probably because of the jones fans), but that's just the way it went. and then all the other jones 'fans' abandoned the topic aside from me.
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thank god i write songs: i didn't know history would be so cruel to the guy that didn't write the chords and lyrics. no matter how bad ass the riff you contributed is, the 'songwriter' always prevails.

ps, oasis would probably be no where without liam.

and this poll isn't stupid. it's between two musicians with the same name. if it were between a painter and a musician, that'd be pretty fuckin stupid. but both these guys created a band and created music.

they contributed in different ways (one guy was practically the mastermind, the other a co-creator most of the time), but they're still musicians.
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And me. I'm on both sides. :cigar:

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