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| Battle of the Brians.; Brian Jones vs Brian Wilson | |
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| Tweet Topic Started: Apr 14 2006, 06:35 AM (5,972 Views) | |
| Drummerboy | Aug 5 2006, 12:54 PM Post #16 |
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The first few people that posted over here have to be out of their fucking minds... Brian Jones fucking owns that Wilson dick by a long shot! Just look at this scientific chart... Talent +++++++1.2.3.4.5.6.7.8.9.10 Wilson_______| Jones____________________________| As you can see, Wilson is a meager 4 while Jones is clearly far out from the limit of the scale because he's so much more talented. All that chose Brian Wilson: :fail: |
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| working_class_hero | Aug 5 2006, 12:55 PM Post #17 |
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Yeah all people who chose Brian Wilson suck for having an opinion, and not agreeing with yours! Right on! I chose Brian Wilson, simply because I'm more familiar with him and the Beach Boys than I am with the Stones. What's wrong with that? |
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| Kira | Aug 5 2006, 03:14 PM Post #18 |
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The fact you're more framilier with The Beach Boys than The Rolling Stones.
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| PsychicEqualizer | Aug 5 2006, 03:28 PM Post #19 |
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Uh oh I was one of the first few people that posted...Does that mean I'm out of my mind for voting for Brian Jones? |
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| Yankee8156 | Aug 5 2006, 05:57 PM Post #20 |
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If you get past the subject matter, "listening to The Beach Boys is the most rewarding musical experience of my life." (Julian Lennon). Yeah, okay, so their lyrics aren't cool anymore. I'll admit that. But Brian Wilson remains in my mind the greatest composer of all time. No---he's not a great lyricist. But he has an ear for music like no one who ever lived. ("That ear - I mean, Jesus, he's got to will that to the Smithsonian." -Bob Dylan on Brian Wilson) The compositions Brian Wilson put together....and how he put them together....are mind blowing. I'll take Pet Sounds out of the equation----I'll pretend for a minute like he never made it. Still, he's one of the most important musicians of all time. People go on about how he's overrated and Pet Sounds isn't that good. You know what? Pet Sounds is becoming a little overrated. And while that's happening, some of the most important music ever made by Brian Wilson is becoming underrated. Like The Beatles with Pepper and something like A Hard Day's Night or Rubber Soul. People go on and on about how Pepper is the most important album of all time, and start to lose sight of the fact that The Beatles did so much more. The same is the case with Brian and Pet Sounds. People are forgetting about the All Summer Long LP, or The Beach Boys Today! LP. "Good Vibrations" is one of the most remarkable songs of all time. The music----it's just unheard of. "California Girls"....okay, the lyrics aren't mindbending, but the music is there. It's incredible. The harmonies that Brian Wilson created are the greatest of all time. It's not fair that people dismiss The Beach Boys like they are dismissed. Pet Sounds isn't the only thing that counts. It's amazing how hypocritical people can be by just dismissing The Beach Boys like they are. One listen to "Surfer Girl," "In My Room" and "Hushabye" make you want to cry because of the harmonies mixed with Wilson's incredible falsettos. People who dismiss them probably never gave them a serious listen other than to the occasional "Surfin' USA," "Fun, Fun, Fun" or "409" on a commercial or something. Like a lot of stuff, you have to look past the stereotype, be openminded and be serious. If after this you really don't believe it's any good....okay, that's fine. There's plenty of highly acclaimed stuff that I don't like. I don't go around trashing it without being serious about it though.
Yeah, that's a real mature, well thought out, educated argument. Not a single person voting for Wilson verbally shit on Brian Jones. That's not fair at all. I'm sorry if I'm wrong here, but I can't imagine that those trashing Wilson and the people who voted for him really have listened to anything by Brian Wilson seriously, if your explanations consist of insulting others.
Well, Smiley Smile is one of the weakest Beach Boys efforts, so I wouldn't call it great. Yes, they did do some great stuff. As mentioned above, All Summer Long, The Beach Boys Today! plus Summer Days (And Summer Nights), Surfer Girl, Wild Honey and Sunflower (although Sunflower wasn't as heavily influenced by Brian). If you need some sort of validation on that, check those Rolling Stone charts (which I hate, so I wouldn't place stock in them, but maybe some people do). They've got Today! and Sunflower on their greatest albums lists and a slew of Beach Boys songs on their songs list. How is someone a Rolling Stones-hater for preferring Brian Wilson? I'd take Brian over George Harrison any day of the week. Am I Beatles hater for that? Ten times as many, huh? I'd like to see those figures. While it's certainly possible that The Rolling Stones sold more than The Beach Boys (and it's probably closer than you think), I'd like to see just how many more albums they sold, because ten times as many seems like quite a lot. |
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My Beatles Trading Post (Updated Regularly) "George had just come off tour, I'd flown in specially from England, Ringo had flown in specially, too, I think, and John wouldn't show up! He wouldn't come from across the park! George got on the phone, yelled, 'Take those fucking shades off and come over here, you!' John still wouldn't come over. He had a balloon delivered with a sign saying, LISTEN TO THIS BALLOON. It was all quite far out." -Paul McCartney | |
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| TheSmashedGuitar | Aug 5 2006, 06:05 PM Post #21 |
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Great post, Yankee. How can you hate Smiley Smieley? it's awesome. No one here is discrediting the Beach Boys. I put them at the level of "good" with two amazing albums, whereas the Stones I put at a level of "great" with 4 amazing albums. You're right that we were rather immature. I wasn't so upset at the fact that people voted Wilson, but this poll just broguht out my anger at the fact that everyone here is "Stones copied the Beatles lawls gheyyynessss no talent loserz!" |
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| Yankee8156 | Aug 5 2006, 06:09 PM Post #22 |
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And for the same reason you got steamed over the Stones stereotype (which most certainly exists, and is also unfair) I got steamed over The Beach Boys stuff. Thanks for the explanation. Oh, and I don't hate Smiley Smile....it's just an incredible disappointment when Smile came so close to existing.
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My Beatles Trading Post (Updated Regularly) "George had just come off tour, I'd flown in specially from England, Ringo had flown in specially, too, I think, and John wouldn't show up! He wouldn't come from across the park! George got on the phone, yelled, 'Take those fucking shades off and come over here, you!' John still wouldn't come over. He had a balloon delivered with a sign saying, LISTEN TO THIS BALLOON. It was all quite far out." -Paul McCartney | |
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| PsychicEqualizer | Aug 8 2006, 07:05 PM Post #23 |
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Yeah, seriously. |
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| Carpenter | Aug 8 2006, 07:30 PM Post #24 |
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f course it's an exaggeration. But not as big as YOU may think... According to the Recording Industry Association of America, The Stones have sold 65.5 million copies, over three times as much as The Beach Boys have (21.5) in America alone. Keep in mind that the Beach Boys are most popular in America, while The Rolling Stones' popularity in America is matched and even surpassed by their popularity elsewhere, like Europe and South America. Last I heard, The Rolling Stones passed the 300 million mark worldwide. I can't say for The Beach Boys though. Source: http://www.riaa.com/gp/bestsellers/topartists.asp |
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| Yankee8156 | Aug 8 2006, 09:45 PM Post #25 |
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Thanks for showing me the stats. The only caveat I'll throw in there is that if it's Brian Jones vs. Brian Wilson, you'd have to knock of all the sales of post-Jones era Rolling Stones albums. They still might come out on top, but the margin would become even finer. Also, The Beach Boys up to Pet Sounds are most popular in America. After that, the UK took much more kindly to them than America did. |
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My Beatles Trading Post (Updated Regularly) "George had just come off tour, I'd flown in specially from England, Ringo had flown in specially, too, I think, and John wouldn't show up! He wouldn't come from across the park! George got on the phone, yelled, 'Take those fucking shades off and come over here, you!' John still wouldn't come over. He had a balloon delivered with a sign saying, LISTEN TO THIS BALLOON. It was all quite far out." -Paul McCartney | |
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| PsychicEqualizer | Aug 10 2006, 10:51 AM Post #26 |
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Actually, The Stones wouldn't exist without Brian Jones, so discounting all their record sales after Let It Bleed would also be unfair. |
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| Yankee8156 | Aug 10 2006, 01:51 PM Post #27 |
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That's taking it a little too far. He wasn't making any contributions to the music at that point. The argument you should have used against me was that Brian Wilson's contributions continued to diminish following Pet Sounds/Good Vibrations. |
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My Beatles Trading Post (Updated Regularly) "George had just come off tour, I'd flown in specially from England, Ringo had flown in specially, too, I think, and John wouldn't show up! He wouldn't come from across the park! George got on the phone, yelled, 'Take those fucking shades off and come over here, you!' John still wouldn't come over. He had a balloon delivered with a sign saying, LISTEN TO THIS BALLOON. It was all quite far out." -Paul McCartney | |
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| Carpenter | Aug 10 2006, 08:45 PM Post #28 |
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No I think he's right. Brian did contribute to a couple of songs on Let It Bleed , including the single Honky Tonk Women. And Beggar's Banquet was a lot of Brian. He played on every song (He actually plays acoustic guitar on Sympathy For The Devil but it was taken out cause it didn't match, so he just ended up doing backing vocals and some percussion). He plays practically all the slide guitars, most of the harp, and helped to write a few of the songs, like No Expectations, for instance. By Let It Bleed, Brian was fucked up, yeah, but you'd be too if your best friend fucked the love of your life while you were in the hospital, and decided to keep her. And you completely ignored the point he made about Brian getting the Stones to where they were. |
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| Yankee8156 | Aug 10 2006, 09:11 PM Post #29 |
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As long as he contributed to the album, yeah, it should be counted. But not stuff from the mid-late '70s there on out. I'm not the one who said anything about Let It Bleed. I just said where Jones was no longer involved, and then after that. And I didn't ignore the point about him getting the Stones to where they are because Brian Wilson got The Beach Boys to everywhere they went. You can play "what-ifs" like that all day. It's just an irrelevant point. Anyway, this has turned into The Beach Boys vs. The Rolling Stones (two totally different groups playing two totally different types of music), and there isn't any open-mindedness on The Beach Boys behalf, so it's really going nowhere. So, I'll just reiterate my stance, which is that I think Brian Wilson was more influential in music, I personally like his music and his story more, and therefore I feel he is better. |
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My Beatles Trading Post (Updated Regularly) "George had just come off tour, I'd flown in specially from England, Ringo had flown in specially, too, I think, and John wouldn't show up! He wouldn't come from across the park! George got on the phone, yelled, 'Take those fucking shades off and come over here, you!' John still wouldn't come over. He had a balloon delivered with a sign saying, LISTEN TO THIS BALLOON. It was all quite far out." -Paul McCartney | |
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| Carpenter | Aug 10 2006, 09:51 PM Post #30 |
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Cool man, we'll agree to disagree. I know a lot of bands/artists that have taken so many elements straight from Brian Jones, including myself, that I take the stance that he was more influential and overall a better musician, but I can totally understand why you would think otherwise. It's cool. |
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