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| Battle of the Brians.; Brian Jones vs Brian Wilson | |
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| Yankee8156 | Oct 12 2006, 07:57 PM Post #271 |
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I think you've misinterpreted my statement. Brian Wilson's main competition (in his mind) was to match, and better, the production of Phil Spector. That just isn't the Rolling Stones game. Had they chosen, for some reason, to be a band that focused on furthering the produced sound of a record, and make developments in that field in the way Spector did, they would have had to have hired studio musicians if not for the simple fact that the whole recording process has all of those musicians playing at once, and it would be physically impossible for even Brian Jones to do that, no matter how talented he is. I've never seen anybody say that Brian Jones was one of the greatest drummers, bassists, etc. in music.....that's who Brian Wilson was after. He didn't hire studio musicians because he or his band was incapable of producing good sounding music. For that reason, he wouldn't have hired some ordinary studio musician for hire. He went after the absolute best in the industry because he knew that they were capable of producing the sound he wanted to hear. No studio musicians would've been needed to produce Stones albums the way they were made, but if the Stones were looking to make the kind of albums the Beach Boys made (whether those albums are better or worse than Stones albums has no influence on this at all), they would have had to hire studio musicians. ....Especially when your normal band is out touring in Japan. So, my argument isn't about the musicianship of Jones or the Stones, but the fact that they were not the type of musicians that you would use for Pet Sounds or Good Vibrations....it's not their style. The style of music Wilson was producing required studio musicians. If the Stones had made an album like Pet Sounds (and I'm talking about production style here, nothing regarding whether the album is good or bad), they would have required studio musicians, or else it wouldn't sound that way. Just like you wouldn't use Frank Sinatra as a back-up vocalist for a Gladys Knight song. As for The Rolling Stones not needing to set a goal to match Spector, that's simply because none of the Rolling Stones had taken the reigns and embraced the producing aspect of a record. If the Stones had chosen to be the best production artists around, they would have set their sights on Spector, or more likely by the time they came around, Brian Wilson. Wilson wasn't competing with the lyrics of Spector's songs, but the way the music was recorded and then presented to the listener, and the depth acheived in a piece of music through a mono recording. |
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My Beatles Trading Post (Updated Regularly) "George had just come off tour, I'd flown in specially from England, Ringo had flown in specially, too, I think, and John wouldn't show up! He wouldn't come from across the park! George got on the phone, yelled, 'Take those fucking shades off and come over here, you!' John still wouldn't come over. He had a balloon delivered with a sign saying, LISTEN TO THIS BALLOON. It was all quite far out." -Paul McCartney | |
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| Carpenter | Oct 13 2006, 08:55 PM Post #272 |
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Your entire post is further evidence that we're comparing two very different bands and very different people. But my point was that Brian Jones was the better musician. If you guys want to go on about how great of a songwriter Wilson was (which I don't entirely agree with) and how great of a producer he was (which is probably true), I think it's only right to give Brian some credit for being an amazing musician. I thought I'd heard him play everything he could, but recently I got the UK Between The Buttons and heard him on accordion (record supposedly an hour or so after he picked up the instrument for the first time) on the beautful song Back Street Girl. |
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| Yankee8156 | Oct 13 2006, 09:05 PM Post #273 |
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I never said we weren't. |
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My Beatles Trading Post (Updated Regularly) "George had just come off tour, I'd flown in specially from England, Ringo had flown in specially, too, I think, and John wouldn't show up! He wouldn't come from across the park! George got on the phone, yelled, 'Take those fucking shades off and come over here, you!' John still wouldn't come over. He had a balloon delivered with a sign saying, LISTEN TO THIS BALLOON. It was all quite far out." -Paul McCartney | |
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| Carpenter | Oct 13 2006, 09:06 PM Post #274 |
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I never said you did! |
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| Yankee8156 | Oct 13 2006, 11:35 PM Post #275 |
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My Beatles Trading Post (Updated Regularly) "George had just come off tour, I'd flown in specially from England, Ringo had flown in specially, too, I think, and John wouldn't show up! He wouldn't come from across the park! George got on the phone, yelled, 'Take those fucking shades off and come over here, you!' John still wouldn't come over. He had a balloon delivered with a sign saying, LISTEN TO THIS BALLOON. It was all quite far out." -Paul McCartney | |
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| Carpenter | Oct 13 2006, 11:49 PM Post #276 |
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| St. Thomas | Oct 14 2006, 07:50 AM Post #277 |
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no doubt brian jones was the better instrumentalist. |
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| Thaddeus | Oct 14 2006, 08:19 AM Post #278 |
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But there's no doubt Wilson was the better song writer
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| TheSmashedGuitar | Oct 14 2006, 08:22 AM Post #279 |
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Love Will Tear Us Apart, Again
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Why are we still havin this arguement? Who gives a shit? Both were awesome in their own ways. People have different opinions, we won't convince anyone here. So um...yea. This should be dead, ha. |
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| ihateguitarists | Oct 14 2006, 08:24 AM Post #280 |
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We agree on stuff.
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| St. Thomas | Oct 14 2006, 08:33 AM Post #281 |
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It's fun to discuss. |
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| Drummerboy | Oct 14 2006, 11:48 AM Post #282 |
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That's the first time I've seen that smiley being used. Two points for Yankee8156!
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| Drummerboy | Oct 14 2006, 11:50 AM Post #283 |
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The drugs don't work...
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I know, right? I mean, it's over. The poll says Wilson won, and I don't think it will change (unless Mike brings people from the RS forum). So the poll says Wilson won, and even though it's wrong, that's what the results are. Even if you change peoples minds, they can't change their vote. |
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| Carpenter | Oct 14 2006, 12:47 PM Post #284 |
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If you're gonna take the 'who gives a shit' stance, then life becomes meaningless. It's nice to have discussions and friendly arguments and debates, but it probably isn't 'important'. But what is? We all die anyway. |
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| TheSmashedGuitar | Oct 14 2006, 12:48 PM Post #285 |
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Love Will Tear Us Apart, Again
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Yea it's cool to argue but it's been 19 fucking pages ha.
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