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The welfare debate; Needy or just lazy
Topic Started: Apr 13 2006, 09:11 AM (268 Views)
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Now we all know there are two sides to the great welfare debate. On one side you have people (me) who think that there are needy children out there who need it and there are people who think that all the recipients are lazy free loaders. Discuss.
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Apr 13 2006, 09:11 AM
Now we all know there are two sides to the great welfare debate. On one side you have people (me) who think that there are needy children out there who need it and there are people who think that all the recipients are lazy free loaders. Discuss.


There are the genuinely needy, and of course those just freeloading off the system. I'm honored to pay taxes (lots of them) to support those who by circumstance or other legitimate reasons are needful. And of course I resent paying for the freeloaders (all you millions out there know who you are).

As a taxpayer, I pay out much to support all the programs our government devises to spend my money, yet receive back nothing tangible (program benefit-wise, outside of the basic services -- law enforcement, national defense, infrastructure costs, etc.). But having said that, I'd much rather be gainfully employed as I am, than in a position of unemployment and having to live off of government assistance.
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I'm not sure, because there's this women living off welfare who I hate and she definatly doesn't need to be on it.

It's hard to say whether it's a good thing or not. I live in one of, or the most, taxed country in the world with social programs everywhere you turn. It's irritating when you lose a big chunk of your paycheque which goes towards medicare, espeically if you're never sick..but I think the benifits outweigh the bad things about it.
Welfare though..yea I dunno. When it has to do with taxes you don't get to choose which people you're supporting, so it's a tough argument.
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Welfare's tricky, for reasons already stated. I'm not really sure where I stand on the issue.
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I'm not sure if I believe in welfare. I know that there are people who need money to support themselves or their family, but some people use it just as a way to get free money. Like there are people who come and have child after child after child just to get more welfare money. People should be able to support themselves and not rely on other people to support them. Maybe after a certain amount of years of being on welfare you should have to go through a period of not being on it because with a few years of budgeting and buying on sale you should be able to support yourself. My mom has my brother and I and my pathetic stepdad who doesn't have a job. She's the only one in this house with a steady paycheck. She's able to keep us with electricity, running water, and all of our needs without anyones help in one of the most expensive states in the US. It's hard but it's possible.
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My stance:

Cripples, mentally ill folk, and dirt poor people are welcome to welfare.

Lazy, crack headed, baby machines, fuck orfff!!
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May 26 2007, 03:22 PM
My stance:

Cripples, mentally ill folk, and dirt poor people are welcome to welfare.

Lazy, crack headed, baby machines, fuck orfff!!

Crack addiction is a problem. I think that those people should be more entitled to help than anyone, as most people aren't addicted to crack. I'm sure that addiction is a problem that people can't overcome very easily alone, and I don't see why their country shouldn't lend them a hand to overcome it.

"This is the USA, if you've got an addiction that you just can't overcome yourself, fuck off!"
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ihateguitarists
May 26 2007, 07:54 PM
ChouxPastryHeart
May 26 2007, 03:22 PM
My stance:

Cripples, mentally ill folk, and dirt poor people are welcome to welfare.

Lazy, crack headed, baby machines, fuck orfff!!

Crack addiction is a problem. I think that those people should be more entitled to help than anyone, as most people aren't addicted to crack. I'm sure that addiction is a problem that people can't overcome very easily alone, and I don't see why their country shouldn't lend them a hand to overcome it.

"This is the USA, if you've got an addiction that you just can't overcome yourself, fuck off!"

Well the country didn't ask them to start the addiction either, but i see the point to your sympathy. id say people like them would need a regulated plan, some of them NEVER do recover, so we should make sure they're actually "getting fixed" off of our tax dollars. i think they have something like that already, rehab centers. Its still up to the crack head whether or not he/she wants to be helped. i'd say if anyone seariously, truely needed help, there are plenty of sympathetic people who would step in. Some of us don't have a choice, with us not knowing where some tax dollars are going.

i still don't think crack heads should get any hand outs, its just another payment toward they're fix. Then again, if they had the sense to try and get off the stuff, they'd have the sense not to have done it in the first place. On a rare occasion, you'll find a druggie who needed a "swift kick in the ass" to wake himself up to realize his/her addiction was a problem, and most of the time, the one's rehabing are there because of interventions started by their sober friends. :cigar:
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May 26 2007, 05:05 PM
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May 26 2007, 07:54 PM
ChouxPastryHeart
May 26 2007, 03:22 PM
My stance:

Cripples, mentally ill folk, and dirt poor people are welcome to welfare.

Lazy, crack headed, baby machines, fuck orfff!!

Crack addiction is a problem. I think that those people should be more entitled to help than anyone, as most people aren't addicted to crack. I'm sure that addiction is a problem that people can't overcome very easily alone, and I don't see why their country shouldn't lend them a hand to overcome it.

"This is the USA, if you've got an addiction that you just can't overcome yourself, fuck off!"

Well the country didn't ask them to start the addiction either, but i see the point to your sympathy. id say people like them would need a regulated plan, some of them NEVER do recover, so we should make sure they're actually "getting fixed" off of our tax dollars. i think they have something like that already, rehab centers. Its still up to the crack head whether or not he/she wants to be helped. i'd say if anyone seariously, truely needed help, there are plenty of sympathetic people who would step in. Some of us don't have a choice, with us not knowing where some tax dollars are going.

i still don't think crack heads should get any hand outs, its just another payment toward they're fix. Then again, if they had the sense to try and get off the stuff, they'd have the sense not to have done it in the first place. On a rare occasion, you'll find a druggie who needed a "swift kick in the ass" to wake himself up to realize his/her addiction was a problem, and most of the time, the one's rehabing are there because of interventions from their sobber friends. :cigar:

See, the way I see it is that that money that's being taken from me, "tax dollars", are going to be taken from me anyway. So, I figure, if they're being taken from me anyway, why not help people who could use it? I mean, sure they shouldn't have got addicted, and they might use the help to further their addiction, but they can't be helped if we there's no help being offered.
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ihateguitarists
May 26 2007, 08:07 PM
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May 26 2007, 05:05 PM
ihateguitarists
May 26 2007, 07:54 PM
ChouxPastryHeart
May 26 2007, 03:22 PM
My stance:

Cripples, mentally ill folk, and dirt poor people are welcome to welfare.

Lazy, crack headed, baby machines, fuck orfff!!

Crack addiction is a problem. I think that those people should be more entitled to help than anyone, as most people aren't addicted to crack. I'm sure that addiction is a problem that people can't overcome very easily alone, and I don't see why their country shouldn't lend them a hand to overcome it.

"This is the USA, if you've got an addiction that you just can't overcome yourself, fuck off!"

Well the country didn't ask them to start the addiction either, but i see the point to your sympathy. id say people like them would need a regulated plan, some of them NEVER do recover, so we should make sure they're actually "getting fixed" off of our tax dollars. i think they have something like that already, rehab centers. Its still up to the crack head whether or not he/she wants to be helped. i'd say if anyone seariously, truely needed help, there are plenty of sympathetic people who would step in. Some of us don't have a choice, with us not knowing where some tax dollars are going.

i still don't think crack heads should get any hand outs, its just another payment toward they're fix. Then again, if they had the sense to try and get off the stuff, they'd have the sense not to have done it in the first place. On a rare occasion, you'll find a druggie who needed a "swift kick in the ass" to wake himself up to realize his/her addiction was a problem, and most of the time, the one's rehabing are there because of interventions from their sobber friends. :cigar:

See, the way I see it is that that money that's being taken from me, "tax dollars", are going to be taken from me anyway. So, I figure, if they're being taken from me anyway, why not help people who could use it? I mean, sure they shouldn't have got addicted, and they might use the help to further their addiction, but they can't be helped if we there's no help being offered.

i agree, but what i was saying was they shouldn't get welfare. As to be able to buy things with government sent money. There should be a health care waver or something orinated with a rehab center to help them out, they shouldn't get welfare just because they're a crack addict.
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I believe there is an element of truth in both arguments.


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