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Reviving forgotten albums Rediscovering the music; Giving the music a second chance
Topic Started: Jan 16 2006, 12:40 PM (1,922 Views)
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Mar 16 2007, 08:58 AM
The Wall does not constitute being awesome. It is the soundtrack for a sad-faced four year old who doesn't get cookies and milk at snack time.

i would still contend that the wall is a masterpiece of production, and that it holds at least two of pink floyd's greatest songs on it, making it if nothing else an important listen for those exploring their work or rock music of the 1970's. i can certainly see its strong appeal to many people - the marvelous production techniques (sound effects, transitions, and the like), as well as the gripping storyline and the vast amount of emotion poured into every groove, just as i can see how it would not appeal to those more inclined towards the pink floyd that worked in tandem with one another and were more of a musical democracy. me? i float on the fence for this one. i recognize the album as a great piece of art and have been listening to it for many years, but i would rather take the dark side of the moon most of the time.
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Mar 16 2007, 06:47 AM
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Mar 16 2007, 08:58 AM
The Wall does not constitute being awesome. It is the soundtrack for a sad-faced four year old who doesn't get cookies and milk at snack time.

i would still contend that the wall is a masterpiece of production, and that it holds at least two of pink floyd's greatest songs on it, making it if nothing else an important listen for those exploring their work or rock music of the 1970's. i can certainly see its strong appeal to many people - the marvelous production techniques (sound effects, transitions, and the like), as well as the gripping storyline and the vast amount of emotion poured into every groove, just as i can see how it would not appeal to those more inclined towards the pink floyd that worked in tandem with one another and were more of a musical democracy. me? i float on the fence for this one. i recognize the album as a great piece of art and have been listening to it for many years, but i would rather take the dark side of the moon most of the time.

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Mar 15 2007, 06:27 PM
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Mar 15 2007, 09:22 PM
Their other albums aren't that good.

I'd rank After Bathing At Baxter's and Volunteers over Surrealistic Pillow. They may not be as instant as the latter, but given a few spins, the listener should become rewarded. :)

After Bathing at Baxter's is far and away their best album.

Bless its Pointed Little head is really good, but I don't like them live as much as I thought I would.
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St. Thomas
Mar 16 2007, 10:47 AM
Woof Oink Baaa
Mar 16 2007, 08:58 AM
The Wall does not constitute being awesome. It is the soundtrack for a sad-faced four year old who doesn't get cookies and milk at snack time.

i would still contend that the wall is a masterpiece of production, and that it holds at least two of pink floyd's greatest songs on it, making it if nothing else an important listen for those exploring their work or rock music of the 1970's. i can certainly see its strong appeal to many people - the marvelous production techniques (sound effects, transitions, and the like), as well as the gripping storyline and the vast amount of emotion poured into every groove, just as i can see how it would not appeal to those more inclined towards the pink floyd that worked in tandem with one another and were more of a musical democracy. me? i float on the fence for this one. i recognize the album as a great piece of art and have been listening to it for many years, but i would rather take the dark side of the moon most of the time.

Are kidding me? Are you friggin' kidding me? A "masterpiece of production"? The production on The Wall SUCKS! One of it's major flaws, aside from the pathetic, self-absorbed, pompous storyline. True, the sound effects are enjoyable and even quotable, but the production is completely dead sounding. Cold and lifeless. If you want to hear good production, listen to The Final Cut and then re-listen to The Wall and compare the two. The difference in production is clear. The Wall sucks. End.
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St. Thomas
Mar 16 2007, 07:47 AM
but i would rather take the dark side of the moon most of the time.

I wouldn't...ever


Good post though
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Woofie's response seem's like that of an unreasonable and angry drunk. :cigar:

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Mar 16 2007, 04:14 PM
True, the sound effects are enjoyable and even quotable, but the production is completely dead sounding. Cold and lifeless.

i would contend that that is artist/producer intention, at which i say "bravo!" for bringing a cold and non-energetic production to a very cold and bleak storyline. the movie isn't exactly warm, either, but that fits well also, in my opinion. i wouldn't call the production "dead"; it's simply slicker and more condensed than previous floyd albums. nevertheless, the things that i weigh under "masterpiece of production" would be the subtle effects that the band/producer added to contribute to the music and sound, and hence story, of the concept LP. for one small example, the layered instruments in "mother." it's difficult to even notice that organ slide in on the second verse, but it's a major part of the song. or the fact that the whole of side 2 is one long piece - the transitions between tracks are wonderful. it really feels like a movie, or at the very least a linear series of movements. or how about crazed chaos of "the trial"? there are plenty of brian eno (to name another artist) albums some would denote in the same way as "cold and lifeless," but i don't think this subtracts from what he is trying to get across to the listeners, musically or production-wise. usually it enhances it, as i believe occurs in the wall.
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I listened to Simon and Garfunkel's Sounds of Silence last night, I forgot how good it is. I still consider it their second-weakest effort, but it's still a very enjoyable listen.

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Mar 16 2007, 01:36 PM
I listened to Simon and Garfunkel's Sounds of Silence last night, I forgot how good it is. I still consider it their second-weakest effort, but it's still a very enjoyable listen.

I consider it their third best..it's still an amazing record
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Mar 16 2007, 04:26 PM
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Mar 16 2007, 04:14 PM
True, the sound effects are enjoyable and even quotable, but the production is completely dead sounding. Cold and lifeless.

i would contend that that is artist/producer intention, at which i say "bravo!" for bringing a cold and non-energetic production to a very cold and bleak storyline. the movie isn't exactly warm, either, but that fits well also, in my opinion. i wouldn't call the production "dead"; it's simply slicker and more condensed than previous floyd albums. nevertheless, the things that i weigh under "masterpiece of production" would be the subtle effects that the band/producer added to contribute to the music and sound, and hence story, of the concept LP. for one small example, the layered instruments in "mother." it's difficult to even notice that organ slide in on the second verse, but it's a major part of the song. or the fact that the whole of side 2 is one long piece - the transitions between tracks are wonderful. it really feels like a movie, or at the very least a linear series of movements. or how about crazed chaos of "the trial"? there are plenty of brian eno (to name another artist) albums some would denote in the same way as "cold and lifeless," but i don't think this subtracts from what he is trying to get across to the listeners, musically or production-wise. usually it enhances it, as i believe occurs in the wall.

No. That is not intention. Ezrin is a shit producer and never produced anything worth giving him credit before. Putting Eno in the same paragraph as him is an insult. The mood in The Final Cut is even moreso "cold and bleak" than The Wall and the production is fantastic. Ezrin is just poop.

Some of Floyd's previous works have much better production. Nick happens to be an excellent producer and should have produced all of Floyd's albums singlehandedly. Have you ever listened to Rock Bottom by Robert Wyatt? Astounding.
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Mar 16 2007, 04:42 PM
No. That is not intention. Ezrin is a shit producer and never produced anything worth giving him credit before. Putting Eno in the same paragraph as him is an insult. The mood in The Final Cut is even moreso "cold and bleak" than The Wall and the production is fantastic. Ezrin is just poop.

Some of Floyd's previous works have much better production. Nick happens to be an excellent producer and should have produced all of Floyd's albums singlehandedly. Have you ever listened to Rock Bottom by Robert Wyatt? Astounding.

i respect your opinion, but it almost seems like you have something personal against bob ezrin. he's already been inducted into the canadian music hall of fame, and his track record is impressive - working with the likes of alice cooper, kiss, and lou reed before the wall was even conceptualized. i'm sure that if roger/the band didn't have him specifically in mind for the job or didn't like his techniques, they wouldn't have hired him. i'm also sure roger waters helped produce this album or had a big say in it, too. so i assume he was satisfied with the result. and so were millions of people; it is one of the best-selling albums of all time. as for me, i love the production on the record. feels like a grandiose movie or play. i suppose i can see your end of it too, though.
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Whoa, which Lou Reed albums did he produce?

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Mar 16 2007, 05:00 PM
Whoa, which Lou Reed albums did he produce?

berlin from 1973, i think.
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He produced Berlin.
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That's my favorite. :wub:

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