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Manchester v Bristol
Topic Started: Nov 15 2009, 02:38 PM (1,102 Views)
ko25
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Well there isn't too much to say really Manchester totally dominated and shot the ball with excellence from 3pt range particular in the first half. Bristol continually failed to close out shots or play the required defence. The difference in the score would have been greater if not for Manchester running the bench. I must say I was quite impressed by James Hagen in few minutes he played and didn't feel he looked too out of place.
Bristol weren't a patch on the Warriors who I saw to weeks earlier, as the season progresses you do have to wonder what more Div 1 has to offer the Magic with fewer competitive games, is this the contributing factor to the hugely decreasing crowd?
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The 'buzz' before the game was this should have been Magic's biggest game so far, if fans wanted to see a 'game', it should have been this one. Very few turned up so it leaves me wondering where the fans are this year? :waiting

Having said that, if they had turned up it was a fantastic start to the game with Magic clearing 16 points on the board before Bristol went to the line to get their first points. After that, it was a blow out and only improved by seeing the new guys get court time.

Bums on seats please, no good having the facility to host 800+ and looking at empty seats.
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There was more people at the Stockport game than last night's game. I do wonder if England playing had anything to do with it, despite it being only a friendly.

I think a certain Bristol player should count himself lucky the refs didn't see his physical assault on Brandon, if you've seen the video of the girl who got banned from college soccer (football) it was in that ilk and utterly disgraceful behaviour, if the refs would have seen it he would have been ejected and probably face a ban of some kind.

For the first 24 points magic shot 100% and ended the first quarter 82% from the field (that's combined 2+3) basically they missed 3 shots in the quarter out of 17, even Adam Slater nailed a 3 in that run, from the corner too, he's having a career best season in terms of points.


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Was the game not being videoed? Perhaps the incident could be reported by Magic if it was caught on tape?

Magic's big game of the season will be against a (hopefully fit) Thunder team in the BBL trophy. Sooner Magic get into the BBL the better really, they are losing fans and I suspect a lot of that is because the games are just so un-competitive now.
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Sam_H
Nov 16 2009, 01:18 AM
Was the game not being videoed? Perhaps the incident could be reported by Magic if it was caught on tape?

Magic's big game of the season will be against a (hopefully fit) Thunder team in the BBL trophy. Sooner Magic get into the BBL the better really, they are losing fans and I suspect a lot of that is because the games are just so un-competitive now.
It was being video'd, all the home games are. I didn't see the incident myself.

I would hope it's a competitive game next weekend at Derby, they have started off well, but as I said at the game on Saturday, the majority of the best English players playing in the UK are now in the BBL, and that's ultimately where we have to be if we are to progress, because although I still go to the vast majority of home games and a fair few on the road, it's more out of habit than the expectation of seeing an entertaining game.

Stefan Gill and Brandon Kimbrough both played under 28 minutes each and scored 27 and 30, shot a combined 23/32. If Magic hadn't run the bench they could have put up 120. These games used to happen once or twice a season, now they're kind of routine, but the problem is, the Reading and Magic teams from two years ago, the Teesside and Plymouth teams of the early/mid part of this decade.... they'd walk this league with their eyes shut.

Just my opinion, of course. Not like I'm going to stop going to games! But I can see why crowds are down.
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So Sam, what has moving up done to your club, and more to the point here, your supporters? :hug
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It's put better basketball players on our court every week for a start (home and away players), gained us more media exposure and resulted in more competitive games (though not every time, obviously). I don't know about crowd numbers but they dont seem to have decreased, and probably have increased a bit though I think there is room for further improvement there. A lot of people have been saying for some time Magic should move up, and it certainly didn't do Plymouth any harm, nor Worcester although they are still looking for their first really good season in the top flight.
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I'm not sure the video will have picked up the assault as it was off the ball, which explains why neither ref saw it and to be fair to both of them neither were in the correct position to see it they were in the correct positions according to the situation of where the ball happened to be.

As for magic moving up to the BBL I made a post a few months back about this and it would seem that is still the case.

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Interesting job advertised on the Manchester Magic website. I wonder if this is part of a Manchester build-up to join the BBL - rumours abound at the moment.
The job I was referring to was the academy head coaches job.

One big issue is with youth players wanting to go to the states and the NCAA rules on playing in a pro league, magic wouldn't be able to play any player who wanted to go to the states (that includes sitting on the bench and not actually getting on court apparently).

The club is seeking clarification from the NCAA to see if magic can play Lee Goldsbrough this season and it not affect his chances of playing for a US college team, so if that is an issue now it will be even more of an issue if magic go up to the BBL, the solution I guess would be have a div 2 team (and possibly a div 4 team also?) if magic go up to the BBL, but that's just my opinion.
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I'm not sure the video will have picked up the assault as it was off the ball, which explains why neither ref saw it and to be fair to both of them neither were in the correct position to see it they were in the correct positions according to the situation of where the ball happened to be.

As for magic moving up to the BBL I made a post a few months back about this and it would seem that is still the case.

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Interesting job advertised on the Manchester Magic website. I wonder if this is part of a Manchester build-up to join the BBL - rumours abound at the moment.
The job I was referring to was the academy head coaches job.

One big issue is with youth players wanting to go to the states and the NCAA rules on playing in a pro league, magic wouldn't be able to play any player who wanted to go to the states (that includes sitting on the bench and not actually getting on court apparently).

The club is seeking clarification from the NCAA to see if magic can play Lee Goldsbrough this season and it not affect his chances of playing for a US college team, so if that is an issue now it will be even more of an issue if magic go up to the BBL, the solution I guess would be have a div 2 team (and possibly a div 4 team also?) if magic go up to the BBL, but that's just my opinion.
Under NCAA rules players can play in a professional league so long as they are not paid. A player must stay in education to maintain their 4 year eligability. If a player only plays basketball and cannot prove he has been doing an academic course, then he/she will lose one year of eligability for every year they are out of education. Normally, completing an academic couse indicates the player is not a professional. I don't see playing in the BBL a problem.

Of course, from a development point, the BBL would allow very little opportunity for a young player, where the EBL is a level more appropriate for 17-19 year old players who might go on to play in America. And Magic have an excellent record compared to most BBL clubs of developing American college players.

Some players who played EBL 1 last year are now playing at NCAA I so I don't think Lee would have a problem.
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I believe this is the official stance of the NCAA relating to international and domestic players who have played in amateur leagues:

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In response to the NCAA membership’s concern about amateurism issues related to both international and domestic students, the Eligibility Center will determine the amateurism eligibility of all freshman and transfer prospective student-athletes for initial participation at an NCAA Division I or II member institution. In Division III, certification of an individual’s amateurism status is completed by each institution, not the Eligibility Center.

If you plan to participate in intercollegiate athletics at an NCAA Division I or II institution, you must have both your academic and
amateurism status certified by the Eligibility Center before representing the institution in competition.

The information you provide about your athletics participation will be reviewed and a determination will be made as to whether
your amateurism status should be certified or Find out if the transfer rules apply to you www.ncaa.org 11 if a penalty should be assessed. If a penalty is assessed, you will have an opportunity to appeal the decision. The following precollegiate enrollment activities will be reviewed:
1. Contracts with a professional team.
2. Salary for participating in athletics.
3. Prize money.
4. Play with professionals.
5. Tryouts, practice or competition with a professional team.
6. Benefits from an agent or prospective agent.
7. Agreement to be represented by an agent.
8. Delayed initial full-time collegiate enrollment to participate in organized sports competition.


Additional information regarding NCAA amateurism rules is available on the NCAA Web site (www.NCAA.org).


The issue is with what the NCAA defines a pro league, because EBL division 1 has players who are semi-pro.

Problems have occurred in the past with EBL players who have played with what the NCAA class as a pro player, someone who is paid to play for the club.
I think Northumbria's women team are the most recent example where there was a problem for Dominique Allen I think she missed a few games for Oral Roberts whilst the issue was resolved, it was because their American had played pro ball prior to playing for the club.
So magic are being very careful not to avoid it happening this year.
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Nice one- thanks for the info.

4, 5 amd 8 are worrying and very vague. My understanding is that although they might review it assuming a player has clearly not been paid he/she will be ok and its down to the university to act fast with the paper work to get them cleared.
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it clearlt remains an issue, Charlotte Stoddard hase been banned for the start of the season, because a player on the same team was paid for coaching.
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Interesting information:

http://www.eurohopes.com/news/339/mountaineers-start-without-kilicli/

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If they can't play on a team on which any player is paid, then they can't play EBL D1 either, so it remains something of a moot point, surely?
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FIBA class EBL1 as a pro league, because we allow two non EU players in a team.
The NCAA appears to change their mind on a case-by-case. Claiming a player is professional because s/he has played with a player who is paid to coach kids is ludicrous, but I believe it.
Ironically, the people making these decision make a tidy living out of it.
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