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Heat vs Thunder
Topic Started: Nov 1 2009, 06:34 PM (1,413 Views)
dessire_luvals
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Well the now regulation 17-2 hole to climb out of. Worthing very nearly acheived it, only the failure to capitalise on the deliberate fouls in the last two minutes made the score line look so flattering for Guildford; really not sure why we weren't go to the basket with Guildford in deep foul trouble?

Other than the first quarter a great game, Sam was awesome before fouling out. Hope the players can have a good rest over the next two weeks and come back with Sherrad and Reggie firing on all cylinders.
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really good to catch up with coach t tonight and interesting to see some of his former reading fans at the game in guildford. i wonder how many other teams could play without three key guys who are all starters and scorers and still be competing? for the record i thought sam was awesome and the whole team played their hearts out for 40 minutes. they DID try to draw fouls but got no luv from the migs. thought the home grown guys out performed the imports especially danny hildreth...keep the faith this team will be a handful for anyone later in the year :clap
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What a wonderful quote:
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they DID try to draw fouls but got no luv from the migs


Fantastic.

Are you saying that because the Heat were fouled so many times without getting the calls, and that they got frustrated and gave up a Mike Martin Tech in the 4th, that you WEREN'T happy????





Or if you are saying they tired to deliberately foul in the last 50 seconds but didn't get called - excuse me? - Heat went to the line on 4 occasions iirc ( and hit all 8) , plus the two extra fouls you had to commit in order to get into penalty - ah - that's was because of the lack of "luv" you''d been getting throughout the period... I get it). 6 fouls in 50 seconds, plus the time taken to get up the court and shoot - I dont see a lot of "not luv" here either.


The irony of basketball fans. Gotta love it.




The Thunder came to play, and played well with a beat-up team - not that the Heat are starting with a full pack, but excuses out of the way - it doesn't seem like anyone has got a deep bench this year - even the famous Eagles are beaten by an 0-4 team, with just one main man missing.


Hildreth as usual is a right little terrier, and you either have on your team and love him, or play against him and hate him.. Irritating little erk isn't he??! :peace

Barn doors could sleep safely in the first half, but more shots dropping for both side in the 2nd.

I can't write anymore, I'm still shaking with laughter... "they didn't call the fouls against us because they don't give us no lurve".

Beautiful. Just beautiful.
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According to the schedule posted in this forum we now don't play again until the 13th and then nothing until the 21st (home to Capital so should be ok anyway) what a relief as we should be looking much stronger if not by the next game then by the 21st and in time for the remaining 7 games after that before Xmas. A bit of a gap couldn't have come at a better time really.

We can be proud that the guys have played hard in every game since losing P-Blue and Bratton, when they could have dropped their heads. We don't really know who we are yet or how good we can be as the games before the injuries were a bit of a mixed bag, but presumably these losses will contribute to us being a seed or 2 lower than we might have been come the playoffs, might give us a chance to be the team no one wants to draw in the first round and play the spoiler role. Long way to go yet though... :flutter
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Tremendous effort by Thunder again.

As others have said on this post, we need to applaud the efforts of a team probably playing without 3 starters. It is a credit to their attitude that they have pushed teams all the way. (Can't comment re Saturday as only saw 1st half!!)

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Nov 2 2009, 07:45 AM
Tremendous effort by Thunder again.

As others have said on this post, we need to applaud the efforts of a team probably playing without 3 starters. It is a credit to their attitude that they have pushed teams all the way. (Can't comment re Saturday as only saw 1st half!!)

You didn't miss anything Saturday after you left then!

I understand the frustration at losing two starters in a week but we looked reasonably deep at the start of the season, but on Saturday no-one really pulled up their socks and played for the team. At the end of the first 3 quarters the clock had just seconds on for a quick shot and Ville chose to pass it, every time and the chance was lost. Where was Coach Titmus then- sitting down? Clearly not shouting instructions though as 'professional' players should they need telling?
I am unsure if the team will not do as coach is saying or he is not doing 'it'. I am sure it will come good and I suppose to be fair he said before Christmas could be written off. Just as well me thinks!
It is clear that save a tip in or flying dunk KD is uncomfortable anywhere but at centre where I think he provides his best contribution and is awesome.
Sam is indeed a wonder find- worthy of a starting five on his recent showings. Pepe- big disappointment so far- I can see him bidding farewell come Christmas if he does not step it up. Big guy standing on the 3 point line makes no sense at all. :sick
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To be fair you don't need a coach to tell you to shoot when the clock is running out of time! That was just an error by Vile thinking there was more time than there was.
The second half of that game was dissapointing though, but it is the only game so far that we haven't at least made a go of it in the 4th quarter and i don't think theres a team in the league that wouldn't struggle with 3 starters out. Not taking anything away from teams that have beaten us though, injuries are a part of the game and you have to get on with it.

I personally put the blame on Ian for hitting the half court shot, he took the attention off the game and therfore caused our defeat. I however had the teams interest at heart and so air-balled my attempt...
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Nov 4 2009, 01:16 PM
I personally put the blame on Ian for hitting the half court shot, he took the attention off the game and therfore caused our defeat. I however had the teams interest at heart and so air-balled my attempt...
That was awesome, he was sadly missed at the Guildford Game, mind their prize was only a free hotdog and a bottle of coke or something like that. Ian just wouldn't have bothered getting out of bed.
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You'd be suprised, theres not much he wouldn't do for a free hotdog.
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Ahem. While the prize this year is a season ticket ( so... OK., not a lot of interest from the opposition fans... I can understand that) it has in the past been a 42" LCD TV (which IIRC was won once)

Times and sponsors is hard all over.

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Big TV up for grabs at Worthing - Ian is the first to make the shot, if anyone else makes it then there will be a draw to decide the winner. It is a bit easier at Worthing than other clubs as our court is a bit shorter than the others!!
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Nov 4 2009, 10:13 PM
Big TV up for grabs at Worthing - Ian is the first to make the shot, if anyone else makes it then there will be a draw to decide the winner. It is a bit easier at Worthing than other clubs as our court is a bit shorter than the others!!
Oh and the hoops are easier too???

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And both those things together make hitting a half-court shot really easy, therefore Ian has no chance of keeping that tv!!

Sam, yes that was sarcastic...or ironic...or humerous...or, oh you get the point!!

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Mickcafc youre looking in the wrong direction if you want to blame the coach hes your strongest spot on the team you can carry injuries only if youve got great talent Worthing's ok but cant compete with key guys sitting out for a long period. The team even without yanis hadnt got going when they were hit with injuries and you try taking three top guys out of any team in the BBL and see how they perform plus I know how hard it is to play for coach t but when the players 'get it' and cut down on the mistakes theyre making watch out! :dance
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Couldn't agree more - Coach T is IMO the best coach in the country and his record is second to none. It is a programme he will be building, not a quick fix.
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I don't think any blame needs dishing out - we're playing hard with loads of guys out so what more can you ask for? So far we've got a very small sample of games to work with - opening night vs a weak Plymouth team showed we can spread the load around and looked great as a team. The win over Rocks showed that Reggie is the star of this team at least when it comes to scoring and stepping up. That was a tough team we beat that in the first half was nailing a barrage of 3 pointers to go ahead.

We also lost 2 road games at full strength, both of which I feel we could have won and were not blow outs by any stretch.

The rest of the games you can write off, they mean nothing other than representing the number in our L column. What does matter is that the effort has been there each time (except maybe once) and we should see a big improvement when everyone is healthy. Luckily the season has a long way to go and the trophy and playoffs are still up for grabs, as is a better finish than last season in what is only year 2 of Frank's 5 year plan.

Lets be positive about this! :)
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Wow, and this from ASH's press release:

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In the end it was a good job the BBL team did not have a game last weekend as to add to the absence of Reggie Bratton, Sherrad Prezzie-Blue and Janis Ivanovskis the team would have also had to cope without Ryan Marrast (shoulder injury), and co-captain Daniel Hildreth and Head Coach David Titmuss who were both confined to bed through illness!


Hopefully guys will be back ready to go this weekend!
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Coach T is IMO the best coach in the country


If what I witnessed tonight is the best, the best coach in the country can manage, then the team must be truly shocking- and I don't believe that.
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If what I witnessed tonight is the best, the best coach in the country can manage, then the team must be truly shocking- and I don't believe that.



Bit harsh, the team had an off-day not the Coach.... Watch the Thunder move forward when the players are back to full strength.
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that's a cheap shot saintpat YOU might not know what hes doing but i can tell you from personal experience that there are few coaches in the country who know better what they are doing than coach titmuss. sooner or later you will see what i mean but even with all of the worthing players fit its obvious to me that he will have his work cut out
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He must have fluked that perfect 36-0 season last year or just had amazing players I guess. Saintpat if you are such an expert on what was happening (or not) coaching wise, maybe it should be you on the bench? Just a thought...
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By my count that's the third cheap shot you have taken at Coach T. If you have a personal issue be a man and go speak to him. I can tell you also from personal experience that he is an exceptional coach. He was a great England coach, his wheelchair record was very good, R eading - well 36-0 - but most of all his technical knowledge is beyond anyone I have worked with and i have worked with quite a few. How the hell you write a man off on one game with half a team...nut there is something behind this Pat?
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No particular problems with him- although his antics on the sidelines make him far from my favourite coach! In fact I would go as far to say that on occasions he seems to be the man who put the 'tit' in Titmuss!
Gardielo and Knackeredknees have their opinion of him, others I have spoken to have a far different view of the person as a man manager and higher level coach. Technical coaching ability may well be high it doesn't mean everyone has to like him!

IMO- some of his decisions last night were poor and players like Hildreth , whose passion and commitment I have always thought of as first class, seemed lacking in those vital qualities. It's a personal opinion and I'm positive he doesn't care less what I think anyway.

If Gardielo hadn't said that Titmuss was the best coach in the country, I wouldn't have even commented. His decision making and the players demeanour made it look far different to me.

If people are forever 'bigging him up' then others will shoot him down. People on here have done the same with Kadiri Richard. making him sound like the second coming, I took a different view on this forum! I was also quite happy to post last night and also to tell him personally, that I thought he played exceptionally well against Lions. Next time Lions play Worthing, if David Titmuss coaches very well, then I will be just as fulsome in my praise.
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ah saintpat so its personal. anyone making such a crass comment as in your first paragraph reveals himself as someone not worth listening to. :notlistening just like everywhere else hes coached coach t will get the best out of the talent hes got no matter how it 'looks' to someone from outside
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The thing is, how do you know if he has coached well or not? The only way you can be sure a coach has not performed is if he admits it and explains some bad decisions he made, or if you can see him clearly sitting on the sideline with head in hands doing nothing for large parts of the game. Hildreth may or may not have been in the game but perhaps there was another reason for his apparent lack of interest, maybe a personal reason or the fact he was ill in bed last week and maybe hasn't fully recovered? It could be anything, so why assume its because he has lost faith in his coach?

Thunder have had many battles with Reading over the years including many finals, and it's often been said that we had more talent but lost most of the time because we got out-coached. We then replaced our previous coach with Dave, and his record speaks for itself. Is he the best coach in the country? Who knows - how do you judge that? It's impossible to say really. But equally you look at all he has done in the game and then you take one game where his team performed terribly and you make a judgement based on seeing him on the sidelines (presumably you couldn't hear him most of the time or what he had to say during the game?) and want to say he is a poor coach. Unless Im reading way too much into it and you're simply saying he looked like he might be the SECOND best coach in the country, but definitely not the best? :laugh
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