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| Sam_H | Oct 24 2009, 10:48 PM Post #1 |
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A close game throughout - these are the ones that hurt when you have key players injured because you know it probably would have been a win with everyone healthy. But as I said before, you have to just go with what you've got and I am sure later in the season we'll be at or close to full strength and it will be other teams that have injury problems, so we can catch up then. But it does suck to lose a tight game with key personnel out!
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| Sam_H | Oct 30 2009, 03:32 PM Post #26 |
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Well oldandgrey I think there is room for some give and take here. It seems I did mis-interpret your posting 'style' but unfortunately so many users of this site are quick to take a pop that it becomes almost normal to post in a defensive manner when discussing one's team. I do think calling my suggestion as to why our turnovers increased 'utter nonsense' to be a bit unfair though. I think it is perfectly reasonable to see that if the primary ball handler is out, other people will handle it more times than they normally do, and chances are their ball handling skills are not quite as good as the starting poing guard's would be. You say Worthing has good players and I agree - but the fact is they HAVE been turning it over more with out P-Blue there, so there must be a reason for that and I think my suggestion is as sensible as any other. You say they shouldn't be turning it over so much but the stats do not lie as you noted, so there must be reason to the rhyme. Anyway yes I do apologise if I mis-interpreted your comments in an overly negative way, but don't feel the need to 'talk down' to me about the game we both know and love. I do not need a 'lecture' to remind me the game has been around longer than my interest in it has - in fact you may find it refreshing to know I am quite old-school in what I like to see from the game - I appreciate good D and hard work, I like to see teams win by doing the little things and playing as a team with good passing and understanding of each other. I dislike players who are more interested in looking good or being top scorer than they are in winning. When Tim Duncan was in his prime he was one of my favourite players because he knows how to play the game properly. I imagine (but will stand corrected) you are the same oldandGrey? In which case I am happy to keep chatting with you about the game as well. It doesn't surprise me you're not on the Hersey bandwagon (which left a long time ago anyway) because you actually have far more to offer than that. |
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| oldandgrey | Oct 30 2009, 04:16 PM Post #27 |
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Apology accepted, your points taken on board and so we move on. That said, I still think with the depth of quality you have that you should be turning the ball over less than you are. I have been at Worthing a few times this season and, let's be honest, it hasn't been tough defence that has forced the turnovers. For example, and excuse my lack of accuracy here these are guesses, but you lost at the weekend 101-106 or something similar. Hardly a game of claustrophobic defence, but I'd guess at 18-20 turnovers plus?! There was a situation recently when a 3pt shot went up, a foul was called off the ball and, after much confusion, for some reason you guys were given the ball back on the endline. There were about 60 seconds left in the game and hey presto, from the inbound, you coughed the ball up and lost by 1 point...that wasn't down to not having a guard or a main threat, it was poor execution...and hence a game you could easily have won (minus 3 stars) went out of the window. I don't know what the answer is...this is a left field idea because I don't know how Chicken coached, but could it be that actually the pressure coach Titmuss puts on the players to perform has come as a shock to a few and they aren't yet used to it? It could be having a detrimental effect on some is what I'm saying I guess. Yes, by the way, I am old school...not everyone can shoot, not everyone can dunk, but EVERYONE can play defence and it bugs the hell out of me when some don't!! |
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| KnackeredKnees | Nov 1 2009, 09:24 AM Post #28 |
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interesting theory re pressure from the coach equals careless play from the players. i know how coach titmuss runs practice and the only 'pressure' he puts on you as a player is to concentrate, think about what you're doing, and play hard and ethusiastically because he knows thats what it takes to win. a lot of guys don't have the mental toughness to cope with it at first but the thunder guys will get it in the end. |
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| Sam_H | Nov 1 2009, 01:41 PM Post #29 |
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Thats another thing I am a great believer in - practice should be tougher than the games themselves. Pat Riley was renowned for his really tough training camps and some players didn't like it because it was too much hard work (poor things, have a few million dollars to soften the blow ) well there's no reason why it can't be the same at this level. If games feel and seem 'easier' to guys than practice does they should be able to win more of them. Not saying that is how Dave runs his practice sessions but I don't see a problem with making guys work hard and putting some pressure on them. That's what being a professional is all about - if you don't like it then keep it as a hobby and get a 9 to 5 job.
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| oldandgrey | Nov 2 2009, 09:06 AM Post #30 |
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Couldn't agree with you both more...100% spot on. My question is this...are the boys turning it over a bit more at present because they are not yet used to the level of concentration he asks / expects, and therefore are subconciously a little off the mark? I'm sure it will come good...be interesting to see stats from yesterday at Guildford. My opinion was that ball retention seemed better in general. Stats will probably make me look an utter knob on that though
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) well there's no reason why it can't be the same at this level. If games feel and seem 'easier' to guys than practice does they should be able to win more of them. Not saying that is how Dave runs his practice sessions but I don't see a problem with making guys work hard and putting some pressure on them. That's what being a professional is all about - if you don't like it then keep it as a hobby and get a 9 to 5 job.
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