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| Tweet Topic Started: Oct 24 2009, 10:48 PM (1,725 Views) | |
| Sam_H | Oct 24 2009, 10:48 PM Post #1 |
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A close game throughout - these are the ones that hurt when you have key players injured because you know it probably would have been a win with everyone healthy. But as I said before, you have to just go with what you've got and I am sure later in the season we'll be at or close to full strength and it will be other teams that have injury problems, so we can catch up then. But it does suck to lose a tight game with key personnel out!
Edited by Sam_H, Oct 24 2009, 10:49 PM.
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| dessire_luvals | Oct 25 2009, 07:13 AM Post #2 |
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But you wouldn't have missed the Funky Referee |
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| Glen | Oct 25 2009, 08:24 AM Post #3 |
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That's not would I would call them! I'm sorry but the call on James Brame with the score at 101-104 in the closing seconds has to be the worst one sided call I've ever witnessed, Such a shame a great team effort by Thunder was spoilt by yet again some very dubious calls by the official's. Even though it was a great night of basketball, and to see Kadiri turn the heat up in the 4th 1/4 was great, his game is so much better when he enters the later stages without being on foul trouble and a good 16 points personal!, As for the team getting back to full strength can you imagine how Riders will fair if Minor gets sidelined for a 4 week period, Take his 36 points out the game last night and I think we'd have had a win, I'm sure Riders can fair without him for periods of a match on foul trouble but if he's injured there offence will miss him BIG time, a little like us with Reggie out at present.But nice to see the team getting it together last night as a unit and holding out a great game! |
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| rainbow | Oct 25 2009, 09:32 AM Post #4 |
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can you imagine how Riders will fair if Minor gets sidelined for a 4 week last season people asked how will riders manage without Phil and Bradd when they were injured ............. well we still managed to make the playoffs so i wouldnt worry too much ! sooner or later things will come together.
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| Mr Flea | Oct 25 2009, 11:56 AM Post #5 |
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A disappointing loss, but a definite improvement on last week. With our two starting guards out its going to be a tough few weeks, but at least we look like we are starting to adapt (something that didn't happen a week ago). However, turnovers are still too many, way too many. Minor looks pretty damn fine. He hurt us in so many ways. The decision on JB was bizarre to say the least and killed the match. It must be tough being a ref and its a thankless task, but sometimes it really difficult to understand why they do the things they do? KD's double block in the 4th was my highlight. He was pretty quiet in the first half, which I guess is just him adjusting to our refs and making sure he doesn’t get into foul trouble too early. Which seems sensible. All-in-all, a move in the right direction again after faltering last week. Still very hopeful that when we have our starting guards back up and running we will be competing hard again. Good to see them both at the game, but reggie really didn't look like making a recovery very soon the way he was hobbling about. Lets hope our improvement carries over to Sunday. Its going to be a tougher visit to London than we were hoping for a few weeks ago. |
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| The Land of Plenty | Oct 25 2009, 12:06 PM Post #6 |
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The James Brame unsportsmanlike was for a clear shirt pull as Wierzbicki went past him, a point readily acknowledged by one of the Worthing staff afterwards. The refs were crap throughout, both ways. As has been said elsewhere, why persist with three? By the way, Worthing will be a really tough team when they get everyone fit and for my money, not too many teams will get a result on the South Coast. Edited by The Land of Plenty, Oct 25 2009, 12:07 PM.
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| Hungrecker for 3 | Oct 26 2009, 08:03 AM Post #7 |
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Thought it was a great game. Fantastic effort by Thunder. Rarely impressed by the officiating..... so not surprised. Minor is a great player, but has a vile temper and was lucky not to be ejected IMO. Not sure why Weirzbicki, took the free throws when JB committed the 'foul' on a different player. |
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| AS-H | Oct 26 2009, 09:07 AM Post #8 |
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That was the point I was seeking clarification on - it was Wierzbicki JB fouled, but all he was trying to do was keep his balance after Barry Lamble moved into his path (illegally!) whilst guarding him. |
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| Hungrecker for 3 | Oct 26 2009, 06:17 PM Post #9 |
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Well done Alan - it was a good spot on your part.... |
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| oldandgrey | Oct 27 2009, 09:09 AM Post #10 |
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Er, so wouldn't that also make it a good spot and call by the referee? I mean, if I'm reading the version of events correctly, Brad shot the free-throws...ergo the referee must have got the right player...no?! Not withstanding the alleged illegal contact by Lamble first (I should have been a lawyer!!!) ![]() Edited by oldandgrey, Oct 27 2009, 09:10 AM.
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| Hungrecker for 3 | Oct 27 2009, 11:36 AM Post #11 |
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No, because they (all 3 of them) missed the illegal block, which resulted in JB trying to keep his balance. Which takes us back to last week, why pay for 3 in the first place when they miss the obvious - 2 are just as capable of making poor decisions.... Incidentally, Weirzbicki is so quick and wiry didn't think he was even near the incident!!! I would say though, that the officials this week were better than the clowns we had against Essex.... |
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| oldandgrey | Oct 27 2009, 03:56 PM Post #12 |
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I did say 'not withstanding any alleged illegal contact'. As for three referees, I think the misconception is that if anything is missed, then what wass the point of going to three refs...but presumably, less will be missed by having an extra pair of eyes? It doesn't mean everything will be spotted, but surely basic logic suggests less must be missed? As a footnote...would GB still be invited to play at pre-Olympic tournaments etc. if its top league went against FIBA edicts & reverted to 2 referees? On the point of paying three...& I'm not certain on this, but Alan could probably answer it...I was under the assumption that the cost of two referees had been split now between the three, therefore not costing the clubs any more...except for travel I guess. Referees are always a bone of contention...in all sports...but for me, I think Worthing needs to look closer to home for the current reason they are losing games...they can't stop turning the ball over. I bet all three referees spotted the 20 or so from the weekend!!
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| Sam_H | Oct 27 2009, 06:03 PM Post #13 |
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What do you expect with our starting guard and the guy who gets the ball the most both out. Turnovers are bound to increase. All you can do with injuries like we've got now is tread water and wait for people to get back and just do your best (the win over Capitals was timely for example).
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| Saintpat | Oct 27 2009, 06:16 PM Post #14 |
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If you include Janis it's 3 players out- tough for any team. How long before coach Titmuss also leaves his ship? |
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| Sam_H | Oct 27 2009, 06:20 PM Post #15 |
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I wonder if you'd put that to him personally Pat? "hey Dave, are you the kind of coach who leaves just because some guys got hurt?" He'd either laugh in your face or slap you. |
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| Hungrecker for 3 | Oct 27 2009, 08:17 PM Post #16 |
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Then it costs more!!
Maybe, and despite that we haven't lost by double digits to anyone yet and with half a team. Having seen every game bar the London match, undoubtedly there have been calls that have turned games away from Worthing (with the exception of MK away, where we were poor). However, it normally evens itself out, so I am quite excited about the remainder of the season!!!
Sounds like somebody is getting worried... |
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| The Back Row | Oct 27 2009, 10:12 PM Post #17 |
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I'm not quite sure why you think Titmuss wants to leave Pat? He's already said don't expect major things from the team till after xmas time. He's had to deal with three key players being injured, one before the season had even tipped off. With Janis out it's really killed our depth upfront. If KD gets in foul trouble early we're really screwed for real strength upfront. This team showed great early season promise and still has alot to give, why would Titmuss walk away from that so early on? |
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| oldandgrey | Oct 28 2009, 08:35 AM Post #18 |
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Not unless all three travel alone...which I don't think they do very often!! |
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| AS-H | Oct 28 2009, 12:52 PM Post #19 |
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Old and Grey - no the fee for each referee is no less than when we had two officials - all three referees travelled separately on Saturday. Generally though we have 2 who travel together and one who travels independently |
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| oldandgrey | Oct 28 2009, 03:09 PM Post #20 |
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Probably a silly point I raised actually Alan...presumably you are comparing two referees at EB costs as opposed to BBL costs? Worthing only joined the BBL post 3-man I think? I assume they get more at BBL level...I had heard / read that the only way the 3-man system was passed was by splitting 2 fees between 3 so that the clubs were not out of profit. If I am wrong I apologise. Of course that leaves the travel and your post would seem to validate my point...albeit that last weekend they didn't travel together...usually at least two do. Anyway, it doesn't really matter if there are two of three - there could be eleven and the turnover situation would still be the thing that kills you right now!!! Although if Hungrecker for 3 is to be believed, the rest of your players can't be blamed...apparently the only player capable of dribbling a ball up court is your point guard...and the only one capable of getting open and catching it is your off guard. Seems to me that Coach Titmuss has his work cut out to teach the others to bounce and catch a ball. Except of course we all know you have a good team there, despite the injuries...and that as soon the enormous amount of turnovers lessen, you will be a handfull for anyone!! |
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| Hungrecker for 3 | Oct 28 2009, 04:20 PM Post #21 |
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Where did I say that? I have stated the poor officiating is killing us (which it is). I also suggested that despite the turnovers we are still getting close..... no double digit defeats. I've not referred to the point guard. |
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| oldandgrey | Oct 29 2009, 08:33 AM Post #22 |
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Sorry Hungrecker, my mistake, looked at the wrong post...it was Sam that suggested only your guard can dribble and only your star man can catch. Like me, I'm sure you think that is utter nonsense!!!!! Again apologies...must get an eye test fixed up
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| Sam_H | Oct 29 2009, 04:17 PM Post #23 |
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0 for 2 old one. I merely stated that turnovers would go up if your most experienced ball handler is out and the guy who gets the ball the most is out, because (do the maths) everyone else suddenly finds they have the ball in their hands more than they are used to, and obviously a starting point guard IS going to have better ball handling skills than others and you would expect him to turn it over less than players who are not so used to having it as much. The go to guy on the team is obviously used to being given the ball more and is likely to be the most talented in terms of finishing, so he will be harder to make a steal from or force an error against. It's pretty simple stuff actually, you're just over-complicating things in your rush to criticise or somehow show that Worthing are a poor team (was it just me who found the last line of your earlier post to appear rather sarcastic?) |
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| KnackeredKnees | Oct 30 2009, 09:09 AM Post #24 |
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turnovers must be eating coach t up but you can be sure he'll be working in training on getting them down. he's a solution guy and the best coach i've played for (long time ago though!!) it's insulting to say he'd walk away because of the injuries, he's no quitter, you can bitch at him for other things like being too hard on his players or whatever but guaranteed he'll get the best out of what he's got |
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| oldandgrey | Oct 30 2009, 12:20 PM Post #25 |
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So explain how that makes me 0 for 2 then Sam? I merely pointed out that you said without your two main men turnovers had to increase...a point which you have just validated, which wouldn't therefore make me 0 for 2!!! All I added to the mix was that I don't agree. You have enough talented players to not be leading the league in turnovers...and that IF you cut those down, even by a third (not out of the question even without Janis, Reggie and, sorry I don't know the other guy's name) you would probably have won two more games! But quite frankly Sam, it is responses like yours to my perfectly friendly comments that are ruining this board, so let me put you straight young man...although I guess you might not listen! 1) At no time have I criticised Worthing, other than to say turnovers are killing you. That is a FACT substantiated by statistics. Therefore, please explain where I have suggested they are a poor team? I like Worthing and genuinely am pleased to see them doing well. Perhaps you could point out my criticisms? If not, perhaps you would have the manners (I believe you say 'man up' now!) to apologise? 2) Please point out my sarcasm for me...the only line that could be construed as sarcasm was about the fact that the coach (who is one of the best in the league irrespective of his outbursts) apparently needs to teach some to bounce the ball and catch it. Not really sarcasm Sam, just my way of highlighting that you STILL have plenty of good players that shouldn't be turning the ball over. Daniel and James are plenty good enough for this league. It was tongue in cheek, but I'll 'man up'...I apologise if that was deemed as sarcasm!! For the record, I truthfully believe Worthing will be a match for most this season once injuries clear up and I am impressed by them 3) Please don't belittle other people's opinions with rude, arrogant and ignorant comments such as "it's pretty simple stuff actually". It may surprise you to know that basketball was around before you found the game and will be after you've given it up. It's there for us all, old and young to enjoy. Have the manners to accept or argue against others opinions with good grace please. Lecture over, thanks for listening...I trust you'll accept that I have an opinion and am happily chatting it through and didn't set out to offend anyone. I mean, if I wanted to offend I'd jump on Hersey's bandwagon and get at you...I haven't done that!!! |
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