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| Topic Started: Oct 24 2009, 09:44 PM (2,543 Views) | |
| lauren | Oct 24 2009, 09:44 PM Post #1 |
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I can't get to watch raiders until the newcastle game, but that's three losses of 20+ points and bottom of the league. Is there any hope for the rest of the season or are we simply not good enough, or have we not got enough players or are the tactics wrong? |
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| hustle | Oct 24 2009, 10:49 PM Post #2 |
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Ant bought alot more energy into the game, so they where better but they still need a big man who can score and rebound, someone like Big C
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| Big C | Oct 25 2009, 12:33 AM Post #3 |
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Yea There is always hope. I am Sorry Bout the Lost but it will Get Better. Gotta have Faith. It's a Very LONG Season.Thanks Mr.Hustle I wanted to Come Back This Season.. Wasn't My Choice my Friend... Big C http://www.basketballireland.ie/superleague/individualStats.jsp?id=43107&year=2010 |
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| Old Russellian | Oct 25 2009, 07:06 AM Post #4 |
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Hustle is entirely correct in saying that Ant brought energy to the game and at times really lifted the Raiders performance. However, Lions are a tough side and full of experienced players. Their squad is bigger than ours both in numbers and physicality, frankly we were overwhelmed but never gave up. To answer Lauren's question, I think our new players are entirely good enough but we definitely need more players. Given James's long term injury I would say that we need an additional two big men in order to provide a squad capable of challenging for a play off place. Also, they must be capable of starting rather than adding to the bench. Having said that, I fully understand and accept the financial constraints and am confident that the Board are trying with all their might to find a solution to the situation. The prime directive this season must be to ensure that we have a Club that remains solvent. Times are tough, but the guys can count on my support whilst they continue to fight to the end. |
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| KKK | Oct 25 2009, 12:04 PM Post #5 |
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Agree with OR that other teams are bigger and stronger than us. Now I am a huge fan of Gary's but doesn't this come down to a recruiting issue. I know we've been unlucky regarding James' injury but he isn't that big compared to others around the league.Also, other teams with similar budgets (as we are told) have recruited new teams and aren't giving up 100 points a game and losing by 20+ points. I know it's early but how much longer will the board continue to have faith in Gary? |
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| Big C | Oct 25 2009, 12:14 PM Post #6 |
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It's only 3 Games into the Season. You Sound Like The Raiders are Already 0-10.. I Agree With you that They Didn't Recruited Players With Size Such as myself. But they Do have a Good Group of Guys and in the Game of Basketball Any Team Can Lose by 20 pts +. Trust it's in the Game. Raiders can also Win by 20 pts +. I Think it's Just Going to take Time for them all Gel Together. But from what i Hear Most Teams in the BBL do have more Size This Year and Yall do Need a Tall Stronger Post Player.. Gary Has Been in PLYMOUTH For Many Years and I Think the Board Understands The Much Smaller Budget and he Couldn't Retain the Likes Of Drew and some other Players.. At The End of the Day You have to Make Due with what You Have or Make Changes... Big C http://www.thisisplymouth.co.uk/news/Raiders-set-dismiss-centre-Aaron/article-1020477-detail/article.html?cacheBust=BckxCxXJ8aqz&success=true#community |
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| KKK | Oct 25 2009, 08:07 PM Post #7 |
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Personally I'd cut Terry and get in a big man, but making changes isn't usually Gary's style. Also we'd have problems with obtaining work permits and the length of time this takes so I suppose we're stuck with what we've got. |
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| Old Russellian | Oct 25 2009, 10:00 PM Post #8 |
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Getting rid of Gary would be the entirely wrong thing to do. Apart from anything else, as far as I understand it, he is a Director of the Club and I assume from that has far more of a stake in the organisation than most other coaches around the league may have in their Clubs. Big C is entirely correct about us being only 3 games into the season and that it is far too early to throw the towel in (which I don't believe the bulk of Raiders fans will do). As far as the budget thing is concerned, I am having considerable difficulty in believing that we are matching the budget of most of the teams in the league given that all 3 teams I have seen play here thus far have brought far bigger squads. Their wage bill just for a start must be bigger than ours, let alone adding on accomodation costs etc. I lay no blame here at the door of any one at Raiders, but I do rather wonder from where the other Clubs are getting their funding ? How can most Clubs, for instance, sustain their squads on the back of (if I understand correctly) home crowds of around 200 people ? To take a thought from left field, are there sporting grants in this country that are available but that do not stretch as far as the South West ? Edited by Old Russellian, Oct 25 2009, 10:02 PM.
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| lauren | Oct 25 2009, 10:17 PM Post #9 |
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Well, we didn't lose by so many tonight so was it a better performance? |
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| Old Russellian | Oct 25 2009, 11:14 PM Post #10 |
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Better defensively, yes. |
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| KKK | Oct 25 2009, 11:30 PM Post #11 |
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OR - I wasn't suggesting we should get rid of Gary, far from it, just wondering how patient and understanding the board would be if we carry on losing which looking at the next 3 games is most likely. |
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| Professor Plum | Oct 26 2009, 08:43 AM Post #12 |
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However much i have my head in my hands at the realistic prospect of this season, i no way hold any of the back room reponsable for our position! Money ! n thats about it! personaly, i think this 'we have one of the biggests budgets in the league' it total bull crap! I am a big believer in that the team are talented, but new to plymouth, new to each other and new to this league, but we need height n muscle! I recon the first team that has 2 consistant 3pt shooters are gonna murder us! Good 2 see ant back to inject some pace in to us! Edited by Professor Plum, Oct 26 2009, 08:44 AM.
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| KKK | Oct 26 2009, 10:14 AM Post #13 |
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Who do you class as backroom staff? Because if it's the chairman then it's him who said we had one of the biggest budgets in the league. That statement alone implies they expect wins or else. |
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| plymjack | Oct 26 2009, 01:19 PM Post #14 |
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Since we are all still funding Newcastle (via Northern Rock) I think that Raiders are doing well to still exist given the difficulties any SW based sports team faces to secure sponsors. A lot of other clubs get grants from Sports England but the SW is deemed too prosperous!!! We can only play within our budget and MK certainly have more funds then us to bring such a large crowd of players. We need a big player and another one to give us a better chance, but we are not as far off the mark as the results would have you think, at one point we were 11 ahead of Sheffield! If we had a bigger bench then our players would not be needing to play the minutes that they are at present. |
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| james7 | Oct 26 2009, 02:11 PM Post #15 |
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Saturdays and Sundays losses came down to two main things... some absolutely shocking decisions by the referees, and by that I mean I was shocked by them getting calls correct, and legs down the stretch. That said the only real reason we were in the Sheffield game was due to their poor shooting and free throws. Add to the fact that we only managed to score 5 points in the third, and 19 in the second half alltogether and I can safely say with numbers like that we will fail to record a win at all this season. To cut Terry would be a big mistake in my opinion. The energy that he gave on court, particularly when rebounding was noticably missed when he was sat on the bench, and correct me if I'm wrong but I don't remember him playing much in the third. All of the players have the calibre, but I find myself questioning their size. Matt is a good power forward, but by no means a centre, and Tino for all of his control and agility is giving up three inches to his man. I never recall us having much height or size other than Big C and Gerrick Morris. To think that none of these players can be considered a centre is a real problem for us. You need a big man inside who you can dump the ball down to and allow him to use some post up play to get to the basket. Every time Tino tried this he had to shoot a jumper or face up and try some fancy footwork and spin moves, usually resulting in a travel call from the referee who was clearly not looking where he was supposed to be. Matt on the other hand does not have the power to post up his defender, and will instead settle for a mid range jump shot, something which I personally do not feel a centre should be doing at all. Bringing Carlton back in place of one of those for me would have been a no brainer as he has the physique, and defences will collapse on him giving Ali and Eric some open threes, something that Eric has not had the luxury of since pre season. |
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| Old Russellian | Oct 26 2009, 02:13 PM Post #16 |
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I appreciate that you were just posing the question KKK and not starting a campaign ! I think there seems to be a reasonable and balanced concensus that we are supporting the Club, Gary and the team through this and hope that better days are ahead for all of us. Thanks for the answer to my question regarding Sports funding Plymjack - perhaps we could pretend we are a Cornish Club and approach the EU for monies instead ? My one thought following the games this weekend is that no matter how hard it may be for some to support Raiders at the moment, I can only imagine how much harder it is for the players at the moment. As long as they continue to put as much hard work in as they are doing now, I'm sure that they can expect continued and loud vocal support. (Just no horns please !!!!!!) Who came up with that one ? (See Lions thread). |
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| dave f | Oct 26 2009, 02:32 PM Post #17 |
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I am a bit lost by plymjacks response as it suggests knowledge of the funding of all the clubs in the league (ie therefore coming from someone inside the club) but also implies that the chairman is not telling the truth when he says raiders have one of the biggest budgets in the league. In my view the chairmans comments cannot be right, common sense dictates that. (A 60% cut and you are still in the top payers? - what does that mean you were paying last year!) Which would mean that they were political comments designed to immunise the board from criticism. Could not be the case that raiders simply overpent horrendously last year (bringing in average players like robinson, hundert and fitzpatrick for instance) and that they are reduced to bare bones this year to keep the club in existence due to that profligacy? |
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| Old Russellian | Oct 26 2009, 03:46 PM Post #18 |
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Firstly, I am always confident that our Chairman tells it straight. Secondly. I wonder whether all this budget talk refers to last seasons situation rather than the size of this years budget ? I cannot remember the exact quote. To a degree I would say that you are correct Dave, in that last season probably proved to be more costly than anticipated. There are probably lots of reasons for that, but I will give you three :- 1. Gavin's injury and retirement 2. Cat's long term injury 3. Terrence's long term injury All of these led to the need for signing additional players, who because of the urgency of their signings may possibly have meant that they could command a higher salary than if they had been signed at leisure ? |
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| jonah | Oct 26 2009, 06:41 PM Post #19 |
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The chairman's quotes regarding our budget were made before this season but I wouldn't say he was deliberately misleading people, probably that other teams have spent more than we thought they would. This year is going to be tough but like others, as long as we have a coach and players who continue to show some fight and passion for the club I will back them 100%. I will put up with a sub-standard season if it means we have a team to support in the future. |
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| Old Russellian | Oct 26 2009, 09:15 PM Post #20 |
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Well jonah, you can't say fairer than that ! |
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| Big C | Oct 26 2009, 10:54 PM Post #21 |
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Thanks James7: I Felt It would of Been a Good Deal for Everyone Raiders and Myself If I was Back. I have been Playing in Irelands Superleague and i am Avg. 30 pts a Game and 20 Rebs. I am not Going to say I would of been Doing that in Plymouth But i felt I could of been the Big Man They Needed. I Expressed That To Gary and Bob But They weren't interested in Me.. No Hard Done I Support Plymouth Raiders for LIFE.. That will Always be my 2nd Home. I Love Plymouth and the Fan Base. It always Felt Like home away from Home with my Ex Teammates and the Fans.. Thanks for Everyone Who supported me and Still Do. I wish i was Back But Once again IT WASN'T MY CHOICE..I am always going to Be a Big Strong Man Who Likes to Score Round the Basket and I LOVE Grabbing Rebounds, That's What i Do and Everyone knows That..Maybe in the Near Future. You Never know.. http://www.superleagueball.ie/ http://www.thisisplymouth.co.uk/news/Raiders-set-dismiss-centre-Aaron/article-1020477-detail/article.html |
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| KKK | Oct 26 2009, 11:13 PM Post #22 |
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I too would have liked Carlton back but with only having 6 players it seems we decided to sign smaller but more athletic players(no disrepect to Big C). Never say never but I would think it would be a bit awkward for Carlton to return now after not being wanted by Gary in the summer. |
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| Big C | Oct 27 2009, 12:08 AM Post #23 |
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You make 2 Great Points KKK. I am Not the Most Athletic Big Man. Never have and Never Will Be. But i have ALWAYS BEEN a DOUBLE DOUBLE Guy who Loves to Score and rebound When i get The Proper Playing Time.. I Played College D1 Ball and Avg a Double Double & Didn't do Such a Bad Job When i was in Plymouth. We Did WIN the Trophy when i was there with a Good Group of Guys. I will be the 1st to Admit I am not One to play 40 Min A Game but the Time in a Game I am Very Efficient at what i do Best Scoring and Rebound, 2nd I am unsure Why Gary or Bob Didn't want Me To Return or At least Speak To Me bout it.. Everyone In Plymouth KNEW I wanted to come Back after a Long Break & i Made My Interest Very Clear.. No Matter where i am Playing I just wanna Prove Myself and Give it my All. I wanted that to Be Plymouth, But it wasn't My Choice and i am in Ireland Leading the League in Scoring and rebounds.. But You Never know What May or May not Happen..Like i said I Love PLYMOUTH and all The FAN'S... That Will Never Change. I do Look Good in Green and White..  Big C Edited by Big C, Oct 27 2009, 12:16 AM.
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| Old Russellian | Oct 27 2009, 10:29 AM Post #24 |
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Hi Big C, I can understand why you may feel disgruntled but I'm not so sure that it's a case of Gary and Bob not wanting you. It may be more that the budgetary constraints made the Board decide to try another way ? Great to see you doing so well in Ireland, and never say never ! After all, just look at what happened last season with all the injuries etc. |
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| grimreaper | Oct 27 2009, 12:17 PM Post #25 |
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It is a shame that the board are not able to look past previous issues with EX players and thus not want a very talented and tall player that the Raiders desperately need also if Carlton was to return one of the existing Americans would have to be let go due to VISA's Most other teams have gone to Eastern Europe as work permits are no longer required. Only the Board and Carlton know why the split seems to be unrepairable but my personal opinion is that the Board are cutting off their nose to spite their face in this instance. We do need more height and not only 1 big player will solve the current issues will other tall players also fit in to the Raiders System? I would bring Carlton back tomorrow but unfortunately until the Board listen to the supporters only pressure from results may change their mind. Regards Grimreaper |
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