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| is T-Minor really a Leader or a PLAYER looking for STATS!!! | |
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| Topic Started: Oct 21 2009, 09:37 AM (1,029 Views) | |
| BBL CHAMPION | Oct 21 2009, 09:37 AM Post #1 |
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| riders84 | Oct 21 2009, 10:33 AM Post #2 |
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aren't most americans in this league??? The import slots are normally taken by rookies looking to build stats and then go to europe in the post season trying to get a bigger contract. there're not many examples of guys who stayed and made a name over here but a shining example would be Tony Windless. He's still an awesome player, very intelligent and a great crowd entertainer. on top of that he can still pull down the big number fr the stat sheet. to a certain extent, i'd say Tack and Johnson are both looking to build their stats, but what player wouldn't be on their debut season? the thing that remains to be seen is will their stats be at the expense of our league position?? you can't have a point guard putting up 30 points a night and still having the rest of your team putting up big numbers. Tack is a phenomenal PG but needs to learn that sometimes it may have been better to dish to bradd waiting on the wing for the easy open look 3 than try the drive and turn the ball over. That said, im glad they are both on our team. I just want to see some more D from Jason and some more intelligent play from Tack. thats my 2 cents |
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| jukebox | Oct 21 2009, 10:49 AM Post #3 |
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Hi BBL CHAMPION, I'd be very interested to hear your views on Tack? |
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| Ole | Oct 21 2009, 11:22 AM Post #4 |
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It doesn't matter how many points individual players score if the team adds a 'L' to the results column. The most successfull team in the BBL in recent years currently has NO players in the League's top 10 lead scorers. You can go for individual glory - but it won't win you medals! |
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| Trashtalker | Oct 21 2009, 11:59 AM Post #5 |
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I think that's an important point that Ole makes. Yes a players individual stats are important for their next contract but I also believe that playing and performing in big games and finals is also required to get the best deals. This will only be achieved by having a successful team. |
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| riders84 | Oct 21 2009, 12:03 PM Post #6 |
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couldn't have said it better myself... team work will get you to finals and Play offs and thats a fact! |
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| SEB | Oct 21 2009, 12:50 PM Post #7 |
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Would be interested in knowing what you think BBL CHAMPION, as this seems to be the second thread you have posted on the same type of subject (the position of players in the team and their respective hype). For me Tack Minor is a competitor to a level at which is rarely seen. I do not think he goes after stats...I think all he sees is the win. If he looks off a pass down the stretch it is because he thinks he can score it himself and given that most players of his ability beleive in themselves more than anyone else, why would he give it up!? This leads to poor decisions and a leader needs good judgement, but I simply do not beleive a player with that mentality is chasing stats. so i guess my opinion is no to both! :-) |
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| swimmingbadger | Oct 21 2009, 01:21 PM Post #8 |
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BBL CHAMPION = Jason Johnson, correct me if I'm wrong? |
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| BBL CHAMPION | Oct 21 2009, 01:44 PM Post #9 |
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my thought about this subject is simple... yes we all know that americans come to build there stats up..... so that is nothing new. i believe at some points jason and tack look to build there stats.. this is very common around europe for americans.. i believe tack is a great leader, although sumtimes is decision makin could be questionable, also i believe jason could also work on his defense as well. overall i would love tack & jason on our team than any other bbl team.. P.S INDIVDUALS STATS DO NOT WIN GAMES, BUT AS A TEAM IN WHOLE... Edited by BBL CHAMPION, Oct 21 2009, 02:08 PM.
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| AP88 | Oct 21 2009, 01:44 PM Post #10 |
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Agree with all of that SEB, its pretty much exactly what I was going to put. I had this conversation after one of the pre-season matches. It can sometimes be difficult for a player like Tack to pass the ball off if he thinks he has a better chance of scoring himself, and with the way he can score you can see why he might sometimes feel that way. I do think he forces it a little at times but it shouldn't be overlooked that he does lead the league in assists. And swimmingbadger, that thought had crossed my mind too. |
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| jukebox | Oct 21 2009, 02:42 PM Post #11 |
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Fair dues to Jason & Tack who along with Adam were probably the only guys to come away from the London game on Sunday with any credit. and if BBL Champion is Jason Johnson then good on him for coming on here. |
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| AP88 | Oct 21 2009, 02:50 PM Post #12 |
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In addition to what I said above I would also say that whether Tack is looking for stats or not, offence has not been the problem this season. The only game that we have struggled to score in so far was the MK game that he didn't play in. It is on the defensive end that we have struggled so far this season. Whilst Tack has not particularly impressed with his D so far he is by no means the only one. The team as a whole need to step up their D if we are going to be successful this season. With regards to his individual stats, it could be that Tack is playing exactly the way Rob is asking him to, in which case Tack's stats are as much to do with Rob as they are Tack. Of course the coach has to give the PG some control but he will still have a major say in the plays the team run. If he wasn't doing what Rob was telling him he wouldn't be on the court. Obviously I have no idea what Rob tells his players but you see what I mean. Edited by AP88, Oct 21 2009, 03:03 PM.
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| $$MIKE$$ | Oct 24 2009, 08:36 PM Post #13 |
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The most successfull team in the BBL in recent years currently has NO players in the League's top 10 lead scorers Not sure what this comment means or to whom it applies. But My thought on Tack Minor, is that he is very competitive and can not stand to lose!! He will do whatever he and the coach feels will win the game. If he wanted to score 30 -40 points a game he would. He is more interested in making the assist, but when the shots are not falling sometimes you go for the penetration or take the shot himself. Watch the game more closely, see if that in the beginning of the game he doesn't try to get the his teammates involved in the scoring, then he burst he doesn't take his shots. See if he doesn't penetrate to dish down low for his bigs to get the open layup when he draws the double team. Does he take the tough shots during crunch time (like a team lead would)? Has he made the pass to Brad at the end of a game when he drew in the help defense? Big time players do make stats. part of the game, I guarantee you if they did not score, rebound or assist they would be sent home! |
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| dave f | Oct 24 2009, 08:41 PM Post #14 |
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it applies to the newcastle eagles |
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| $$MIKE$$ | Oct 24 2009, 10:48 PM Post #15 |
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Interesting! But why is it that they don't have a top 10 scorer? Is it because they have at least 3 guys that can be or is it they have not found the player that is going to step up, to be the man. Remember last year they probably had the most successful year for any team in the BBL history or at least one of them, and they did have a top five scorer in one TREY MOORE. different coaches, different personnel... many formulas to build a winner, but the bottom line is you have to have good players with chemistry! |
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| massiveridersfan | Oct 26 2009, 10:22 AM Post #16 |
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I couldn't care less how Tack plays as long as it's exciting basketball and we have sufficient wins to be in the playoffs. I think he's brilliant and has brought another dimension to Riders. He has been the reason we've won some key games, e.g. Everton. 
Edited by massiveridersfan, Oct 26 2009, 06:06 PM.
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| AP88 | Oct 31 2009, 11:44 AM Post #17 |
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This is not exactly on topic but thought it the best place to put it. I was just reading Jeff King's article on gbbasketball.net and he had this to say, ''The most intriguing rumour/story that I heard over the last fortnight was concerning Trey Moore. At one point I’d heard he was going in to Leicester to replace Tack Minor whose chemistry was not quite right. I also heard that Everton despite having Rush and Bell might just have a punt on him and Trey was keen. And then I heard Cheshire had offered him a deal which meant someone might have been on the way? Like I said these were all unsubstantiated rumours although when I mentioned it to one or two very independently of each other there did seem to be some smoke in there as all seemed to have heard the rumours. Of course then Tack went ballistic against Thunder and that surely puts that story to bed?'' Anyone know anything about either the chemistry not being 'quite right' or Riders' looking at making changes?? Edited by AP88, Oct 31 2009, 11:46 AM.
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| jukebox | Oct 31 2009, 02:13 PM Post #18 |
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I think we just trust Rob that if he wants/needs to make a change then he will get it right. |
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| Angel of the North | Oct 31 2009, 05:20 PM Post #19 |
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Last I heard Trey is booked on a flight to China on Tuesday. Or is this just another rumour? |
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| ruf | Oct 31 2009, 05:27 PM Post #20 |
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Was that the Potteries? That's near to Leicester 
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| Saintpat | Oct 31 2009, 05:43 PM Post #21 |
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I would be amazed if Trey ever returned to Jets! |
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| AP88 | Oct 31 2009, 06:18 PM Post #22 |
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Yeah it mentions later in the artcle about a trip to china being next on his agenda. I have no idea if any of the rumours connected to Riders are true, just re-laying info from another site that some fans might not have noticed. Can't believe Trey has not got a team somewhere, even if it wasn't at the level/price he was originally looking for. From Riders' point of view I'm sure Rob will get it right whatever he does. Every move he has made so far has paid off so I would trust his judgement whichever way he goes. |
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| $$MIKE$$ | Oct 31 2009, 11:09 PM Post #23 |
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Trey is indeed going to China, but it is with a tour team, SO he is available to sign with any club. However I doubt it would be with the Riders! |
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| the crow | Nov 1 2009, 01:03 AM Post #24 |
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im very happy with tack running the point.Hes a better player and seem to be working out his team mates now,so is getting better at distributing the ball,now he knows what they can and cant do. |
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| Ben | Nov 2 2009, 04:17 PM Post #25 |
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From what I've heard, I think Rob wanted Trey at the start of the season but couldn't meet his wages, the same as all the other teams. His demands surely won't be as high now but with everyone having already recruited it would mean a team having to cut one of their imports to make way for him. I know Everton still have one slot left but they already have two strong guards in Bell and Rush and it has been said money is a lot tighter for them this year. I heard Newcastle would be keeping an eye on him for in case they weren’t performing where they needed to be and required a replacement. Haven’t heard anything about Cheshire but they would need to cut either Peterson, who looks a solid player but not a next level guy or Marks, who hasn’t quite hit his form of last season yet. I don’t know how Trey would feel about going back there either. I would have loved to have seen us sign him during our recruiting, thought he was a real fun player to watch last season, but I obviously had no idea we would be bringing in a player with Tack's level of talent. He may be a rookie and still learning as to which way is the best for him to play but his skill is there for all to see. In a way his and Trey’s games are very similar; both are capable of posting great stats (though I don’t think Trey would be putting up as high a numbers as Tack is doing as he is so explosive) both can be relied on come crutch time, both have similar temperament, both are able to play either guard position and both are great to watch. Besides that, even if the chemistry wasn’t ‘quite right’ would it be worth the risk of upsetting the chemistry that is already there in need to bring him in? That would obviously be down to Rob to decide and I’m sure every Riders fan trusts Rob’s judgement on that but I am very happy with Tack running the point at the moment. Also, these rumours were heard around a fortnight ago, since then the chemistry has looked very good, in the win over Worthing where Tack had a massive game and then again this weekend where he had two massive games, so looks as if the chemistry is getting better with each game we play. Edited by Ben, Nov 2 2009, 05:07 PM.
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