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Thunder v Pirates
Topic Started: Oct 18 2009, 09:32 PM (1,600 Views)
worthingthunder
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Anyone at the game tell me what happened? No Bratton on stats, was he injured?
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Injuries are adding up now but in a way this could be beneficial later in the season when hopefully we'll have everyone healthy and it will be other teams getting injuries - this will be bad especially for those with short benches and we could get back a couple of wins we maybe shouldn't get to make up for games like this clearly lost to injury. But as I said, you can't really use it as an excuse, you have to go with what you've got and we lost fair and square.
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Pretty horrible stuff from the Thunder last night. Never clicked at all really. Sam had a great game though. He is rapidly becoming a very good future prospect.

Not sure how bad the injuries to Bratton and Prezzie-Blue are, but it looked like the point guards arm was in plaster - which means it could be a long outage. We missed them both.

Pirates look like a good athletic team that should get better and better.
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Glen
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To be fair our performance wasn't great at all,I'd say worst of the campaign so far,and Pirates only managed a slender win,If Kadiri hadn't got into foul trouble before the Half I feel we may have given a better run, Having no Prezzie-blue and Bratton is gonna hurt us,Lets just hope Reggie can return soon :pray And likewise would be nice if Prezzie and Janis return around the same period, Also you gotta love the report on the bbl scores page, they make it out to be a super performance from Pirates, and no mention about Kadiri fouling out and Bratton and Blue sidelined!
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Some of the poorest officiating over the weekend I have ever seen.

Whilst the Pirates won fair and square. The technical against Ryan when he was tripped was bizarre, as was the missed foul on Pepe - when he scored in the 2nd half, Pirate player stepping blatantly out of bounds towards the end when the game was back at 4, big push on Sam under the basket by Metcalfe moments later.... I could go on. Delighted that an Assessor was in the stand for both games and left pretty grim faced...

Frankly the quality of officiating is an embarassment to the BBL. It is pointless having 3 officials, which add extra expense to the clubs, when they apparently prance around with their eyes shut for most of the game....

I would suggest they go back to 2 and hope they can get themselves sorted out - there would be a good saving financially for clubs as well.

That is all!!!! :pullhair

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Oct 19 2009, 04:42 PM
Some of the poorest officiating over the weekend I have ever seen.


Frankly the quality of officiating is an embarassment to the BBL. It is pointless having 3 officials, which add extra expense to the clubs, when they apparently prance around with their eyes shut for most of the game....

I would suggest they go back to 2 and hope they can get themselves sorted out - there would be a good saving financially for clubs as well.

That is all!!!! :pullhair

I have to admit there, some of the marking on Kadiri from Sharks on Saturday was terrible, Its as if the ref's only see what they want to see and call, Has anyone yet found out why we had an end line ball rather than 2 shots against Sharks on Saturday?
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Not for 100% but Dave F suggested the most obvious reason in the BBL forum. The foul was after the shot was released - the problem with it was that the ball bounced on the hoop before going in and I thought the whistle went just before it dropped, not sure though. Also I thought one of our guys touched the ring before the ball did which could have ruled it a no-basket. Anyway the 5 second holding call was something of a farce and decided the game pretty much. Someone told me Reggie was trying to call a timeout before the violation, which he can't do so that might be a mental error there, but even so he wasn't holding it for 5 seconds - and when did you last see that call made anyway?! Once again the migs decided the outcome of what had been a great game played in good spirits by 2 hard working teams.

We're in for a testing time now with injuries and this kind of migging going against us, but its a long season and I still think we'll only get better as guys make it back to full health and continue to play together more. Stay positive! :)
Edited by Sam_H, Oct 19 2009, 05:51 PM.
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No, its not about when the ball goes through its about whether the shooters feet are back on the ground. If so he is not in the act of shooting and it is an endline ball (or 2 shots if not in the penalty).
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Yes so I think what must have happened is, the player got fouled as the ball was bouncing on the hoop, and either no one did touch the ring or the refs missed it. It took them a few moments to work out themselves what they called though, with the basket being announced as good, then possibly not, then good again! In the end though it didn't matter. :(
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dave f
Oct 19 2009, 05:56 PM
No, its not about when the ball goes through its about whether the shooters feet are back on the ground. If so he is not in the act of shooting and it is an endline ball (or 2 shots if not in the penalty).
So does this mean all players making an attempt at basket must have their feet off the ground? I've always thought that when a player fouls and his team are in the team pen situation its 2 shots to the opponents, and possession if its a intentional or technical foul.
Like you say its always been an interesting subject when referring to referees and Worthing basketball teams dating back to when I first started watching when they were the Blue circle Worthing bears!

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Typo sorry : should have read if in the penalty.

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dave f
Oct 19 2009, 06:51 PM
Typo sorry : should have read if in the penalty.

lol I did wonder :laugh
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Just found this in the rules under team foul penalty,

41.2.1, When a team is in a team foul penalty situation, all subsequent player personal fouls
committed on a player not in the act of shooting shall be penalised by two (2) free
throws, instead of a throw-in.

So surely it should have been basket good and 1 free throw if the foul was on the shooter, Or if the foul was on a player under the basket it should have been 2 free throws, cant see any reason why it was ruled as an end line ball!
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I think you are right

If it is this play :

The play by play on the bbl wesbite shows bratton making a three with 1.03 left and Lawson committing a personal foul (ie defensive foul) with 1.01. Yet despite the fact that sharks are clearly in the penalty the foul does not result in any foul shots (which would be on the play by play).

I cant see how that can happen.

on the face of it its a horrendous screw up by the refs, the table and Titmuss if he did not spot it.
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Whilst yoU say Pirates won fair and square Mr Hunrecker - imo the worst decision that did have an effect on the game was Kadieris foul which was deemed unsportsmanlike!!! Not surprised he was upset as he went high to the basket and then came down on his opponent WITH THE MOMENTUM OF HIS LEAP!!! Foul yes but not deliberate!!!

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Edited by DAVE MARSHALL2KUK, Oct 19 2009, 08:19 PM.
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Hungrecker for 3
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They won fair and square though, as they did not control the officials competence or incompetence in this case.

My issue is not with Essex but with the standard of officiating....

I'd forgotten about the Kadiri incident....
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I wasn't there on Saturday :doh :tsk but from what I've been told the foul was after the made shot (I don't know if on Reggie or someone else) in which case technically it would be Sharks' ball. You can only have free throws if you have possession of the ball, so a foul on Sharks' possession would mean an inbound ball for Thunder - unless i've misunderstood the situation.
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The foul was made by a sharks player while they had been in team pen for a while, It was given at first on the shooter and awarded as basket good, 3 points and an extra shot to follow, Then it was overturned as if a Sharks player had fouled under the basket, So being the Sharks were in the team foul situation it should have been 2 free throws NOT an end line ball.
But to be fair Thunder would have been in a better position from this blunder if they'd kept possession and converted a basket, maybe even another Reggie bomb for 3 :dance but we all know what happened :doh
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Here's another twist to the idea.

If the shot had counted, which it obviously did, then it should be Sharks ball at the end-line right? So would a foul commited after this, ie Sharks posession, not then be an offensive foul? In which case you do not get foul shots, whether in the penalty or not...
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but the bbl play by play does not refer to it as an offensive foul.
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Glen
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I don't think we'll ever understand what or why did get called, Would be interesting to see if the guys that film the games have it on tape though!
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dave f
Oct 22 2009, 04:55 PM
but the bbl play by play does not refer to it as an offensive foul.
But maybe the stats guys just didn't hit the offensive foul button (or were not aware when the foul was called that it should have been classed as offensive?) :dunno
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dave f
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maybe

certainly the US rule is that the ball is dead after a made goal (an offensive foul can only be committed when the ball is live) until the offensive player has the ball at his disposal.

if that is the FIBA rule (can anyone with a book help here?) then unless the foul came when the ball had not only gone through the hoop but was being fielded by a sharks player then it was a bad call. And that series of events is not what is described above.
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Will this Sunday's game against Capital allow us to move on?
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Once the ball passes through the basket on a made field goal, it is considered to be at the disposal of the new offensive team for an inbound pass. Once at their disposal - any foul made by that team is considered to be a team control foul. Therefore no free shots.
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