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BBA NEWS; LOOKING TO THE FA PREMIER LEAGUE!
Topic Started: Oct 6 2009, 08:31 AM (4,392 Views)
Ole	Oct 22 2009, 11:33 AM Post #101
Franchise Player Posts: 3,585 Group: Co-Admin Member #22 Joined: July 10, 2006	Quote: the BBL, no sponsor, no tv, no respect. You gotta love the guy!!! Comes on here making such huge sweeping statements with absolutely no knowledge of the game in the UK (despite coming from Bournemouth )!! Wants to take on the game from "within", when he's definitely "without". If the BBL is so bad and the BBA walks on water, why am I (and thousands of other people) attending BBL games week in, week out? Why has the BBA been spouting verbal diarhorrea for the past 4/5 years and still not delivered? Says his Uni team would beat any team in the BBL - oh, how I'd love him to prove it, but he knows full well that he can make such cavalier statements and doesn't have to (mainly because the BBL teams have a packed fixture list and are far too busy playing ball!) I'll think you'll find that the BBL does have a huge amount of respect! Certainly at a local level. I know I keep harping back to this BUT . . . here I go again . . . . . History has taught us that: 1. To throw sackfuls of money (I don't care whether it's dollars, pounds, euros, yen . . . you choose!!) at the game doesn't work. If you can find someone who is happy to throw it at the game and not expect anything back - excellent!!! Just don't consider it an "investment" and certainly don't expect to see any return - that's where the BBA's plan falls down! That's where the BBL fell down some 6-8 years ago! We've had the Cook, Nike, Bown era - and they all failed!! Precisely because (after some time trying) they considered that they'd "invested" enough into the sport (sport please - NOT entertainment!!!) and didn't want to "invest" further. In my (ever most) humble opinion - at this point the BBL lost respect. The demise of Manchester Giants in 2001 started it and it continued with the fiasco that was Bown. With a new breed of personalities who understand the game, businesses and politics in the UK, however, this is changing. It may be (frustratingly) slow, but it's working!! I have the utmost respect for Andy Webb, Paul Blake, Peter Hawkins, Ian Reid, et al, for the work they are doing in ensuring the longevity of basketball in this country. They are making it work by keeping to a budget, growing the community/youth development programmes - that ultimately shore up the professional teams. Why on earth would they (after working so carefully to keep to their respective business plans/budgets) take on such a huge financial risk by agreeing to borrow money?? If they wanted to do that - there's plenty of other avenues they could explore and they'd have done it by now!! They don't need to because they're managing things without having to!! Sure razzamatazz is a nice add-on. Then again, if I had to choose between all the razz, cheerleaders, mascots, etc. for 1 or 2 years (and an organisation who are possibly only interested in piggy-backing on the back of the 2012 Olympics) against a team that is going to be around for 5+ years - it's a no brainer!! Been there, done that and still got the scars!! Now involved with another team (that is getting stronger and stronger each year due to shrewed management) because having "been there, done that" - "Money bags Manchester" is no longer around!!!
	All in all it's been a rocky road, Twists and turns along the way, But, I still pray for tomorrow All my hopes, my dreams Don't fade away... David Coverdale/Adrian Vandenberg


yeoman	Oct 22 2009, 01:30 PM Post #102
Sixth Man Posts: 490 Group: Member Member #103 Joined: July 16, 2006	shrewd management. ole, what makes you think the bba's management is not shrewd. don't think you get to be on the board of reuters (olisa) a FD at virgin (wright), a chief marketing officer at the NBA (mullin) without being successful and good businessmen. anyone contemplating investing and/or partnering with the bba will be looking at the background of those involved and these backgraounds are stellar! even, keith harris is known as mr. fixit and has a record of success. ole, do you know the details of the bba plan or financing? no you don't, just speculating. if they were not to be taken seriously, why would the NBA even meet with a league that is non existant? why would the top sports investment bank in the UK partner with them? fact of the matter is, the sport needs marketing, needs money, needs TV all of which the bbl does not have at the moment.



Sumo	Oct 22 2009, 01:41 PM Post #103
Starter Posts: 882 Group: Member Member #81 Joined: July 13, 2006	I also thought sports needed teams, needed fans and need some parochial experience of operations for the community work. Remind me again ... who came up with the BBA's plan 1? Ah, some of the same shrewd and successful guys involved now. Absolutely first rate job that was. Still intrigued about the press releases. Are BBA still persisting with the stealth marketing initiative?



hersey427	Oct 22 2009, 02:15 PM Post #104
Franchise Player Posts: 2,517 Group: Moderator Member #38 Joined: July 11, 2006	Tell us about the 25 mill. In return I'll point out the grammatical errors on your website



Ole	Oct 22 2009, 02:19 PM Post #105
Franchise Player Posts: 3,585 Group: Co-Admin Member #22 Joined: July 10, 2006	Quote: ole, do you know the details of the bba plan or financing? no you don't, just speculating So enlighten me!! If the BBA management are so shrewd, why have they failed to deliver against their previous deadlines? We should have been able to experience the BBA offering last year. Quote: fact of the matter is, the sport needs marketing, needs money, needs TV all of which the bbl does not have at the moment. The sport needs marketing - every club is working is socks off (and most are succeeding) on marketing at a local level! Needs money - clubs are viable and getting money so they can work within budgets TV - being worked on Quote: backgraounds are stellar Would that be Artois??
	All in all it's been a rocky road, Twists and turns along the way, But, I still pray for tomorrow All my hopes, my dreams Don't fade away... David Coverdale/Adrian Vandenberg


Niall Gray	Oct 22 2009, 02:59 PM Post #106
Celtic Pride Posts: 1,685 Group: Member Member #32 Joined: July 10, 2006	I'm not going to bother reading the last five pages, nothing of note will be in them. Instead of this BBA league which I fail to see any evidence of, they should have enough investors to apply for a BBL franchise team. Plenty of UK locations to choose from where BBL basketball does not have a team. Apply for franchise and if they are accepted (you never know), there then exists the opportunity to 'put your money where your mouth is' and finally prove to people that intentions are serious. This has been dragging on too long and any credibility has long left the building. It's time to put up, or shut up. And that's my final word on the matter.
	Anita rang Sam!


Ole	Oct 22 2009, 03:15 PM Post #107
Franchise Player Posts: 3,585 Group: Co-Admin Member #22 Joined: July 10, 2006	Quote: Instead of this BBA league which I fail to see any evidence of, they should have enough investors to apply for a BBL franchise team. Plenty of UK locations to choose from where BBL basketball does not have a team. Apply for franchise and if they are accepted (you never know), there then exists the opportunity to 'put your money where your mouth is' and finally prove to people that intentions are serious. This has been dragging on too long and any credibility has long left the building. It's time to put up, or shut up.
	All in all it's been a rocky road, Twists and turns along the way, But, I still pray for tomorrow All my hopes, my dreams Don't fade away... David Coverdale/Adrian Vandenberg


inaminute23	Oct 22 2009, 03:19 PM Post #108
All-Star Posts: 1,451 Group: Member Member #2,171 Joined: June 5, 2007	yeoman Oct 21 2009, 10:52 PM just look out for the announcement regarding franchise areas Wow, things are moving that fast that the Big Bull#### Association have decided that, when they actually find the pot of gold they would like to put clubs in area�s!! It�s a bit like saying when I win the lottery I�m going to buy a big mansion in the country. First of all why don�t the BBA have teams to put in these areas? Again it�s a bit like finding a piece of land to build a house on, but then forgetting about the small matter of materials to build the house with. Unless BBA are thinking down the lines of building an upside down house�..sorry league
	SUPPORT TEAM GB! WE ARE GOING TO BANGALORE, TURKEY OR ANOTHER EUROPEAN TOUR? For all the latest news on British basketball www.gbbasketball.net "EXCUSE ME, ARE THESE FRITES? NO, IT IS BREAD & BUTTER"


yeoman	Oct 22 2009, 11:45 PM Post #109
Sixth Man Posts: 490 Group: Member Member #103 Joined: July 16, 2006	still doesnt matter guys, the show will go on. just don't think BBA is dependent on posters here, so your opinions mean %$%. perhaps one should write seymour pierce and ask what they see in the bba plans that makes them a shareholder? perhaps one should ask david stern why he even bothered to take the meeting? as said before, its ok to be scared of change. don't worry mates, everythings gonna be alright.



Della	Oct 23 2009, 12:40 AM Post #110
Starter Posts: 810 Group: Moderator Member #6 Joined: July 7, 2006	The BBA doesn't care about the opinions of the existing basketball fans in this country. Is it planning on converting all the non-basketball fans in this country? And how exactly are they planning on doing that? Using the 25mil to pay them?



GlennHardaker	Oct 23 2009, 01:00 AM Post #111
Basketball Legend Posts: 9,050 Group: Global Moderator Member #1,234 Joined: December 23, 2006	No doubt Stern would meet them but that doesnt mean anything would come of it you still havent answered the question about 1 who is putting in the 25mill and 2 whether in the near future who ever it is expects their money back (in which case forget it- there's no chance of that) Glenn Hardaker Secretary of an EBL club another one trying to make a difference to British basketball
	Feel the (Huddersfield)Heat !


hersey427	Oct 23 2009, 08:04 AM Post #112
Franchise Player Posts: 2,517 Group: Moderator Member #38 Joined: July 11, 2006	So, Yeoman, you/the BBA haven't really got the 25mill at all. You lied. This doesn't come as a shock seeing as you lied from the minute you registered on here. Basically, you're a liar. And yet you wonder why no one's taking you seriously any more. Come back when there is actually some BBA news to post in "BBA News"



Sumo	Oct 23 2009, 08:19 AM Post #113
Starter Posts: 882 Group: Member Member #81 Joined: July 13, 2006	Yeoman honey, you still haven't answered me. 1) Who were the architects of plan 1? This is a plan in which you were vocal with your support and in your condemnation of those who said it was unworkable. It was a crock of S**T. We were RIGHT. 2) Who advised the CBA? Yes indeed, the same crew involved now. As for SP ... still no news about it on their website. Tish. Strikes me that chasm is still way short of being crossed. It seems that you have turned up on one side of the Grand Canyon and have only just realised that there is a gap to be crossed. Of course, one does wonder how you could get that far and not know about the chasm but I suspect that's why the BBL discussions happened again. The lesson to be learned here is that if you want to navigate a new country, bring a map. The other one I would offer is that sometimes you have to engage people who challenge your assumptions rather than surround yourself with people who want to agree with yours because it suits their agenda. Yep, this is where you leap in about QUALITY, PROVEN success blah blah blah. Read the stat line: 5 years, 0 games, 0 teams.



Ole	Oct 23 2009, 08:56 AM Post #114
Franchise Player Posts: 3,585 Group: Co-Admin Member #22 Joined: July 10, 2006	Quote: so your opinions mean %$% Says more about you and the organisation you represent than anything you've contributed to this forum so far. It also demonstrates the utter contempt that you and the organisation you represent show to both the sport and the die-hard basketball fans in the UK. Don't forget the overall majority of contributors to this board are hardened basketball fans who, despite what you think of us, do care passionately about the sport in this country and will fully get behind an initiative that works! As we're supporting teams and travelling the length and breadth of the UK to watch ball - I think you'll find that's the BBL. So, whilst you're preaching about the second coming and those saviours of basketball, I think you'll find that our opinions do actually mean quite a lot!! As an American (via Bournemouth) I think you'll understand the connection between the gun in your hand and the hole in your foot!
	All in all it's been a rocky road, Twists and turns along the way, But, I still pray for tomorrow All my hopes, my dreams Don't fade away... David Coverdale/Adrian Vandenberg


inaminute23	Oct 23 2009, 09:12 AM Post #115
All-Star Posts: 1,451 Group: Member Member #2,171 Joined: June 5, 2007	Della Oct 23 2009, 12:40 AM Is it planning on converting all the non-basketball fans in this country? And how exactly are they planning on doing that? Maybe they could speak to Nick Griffin!
	SUPPORT TEAM GB! WE ARE GOING TO BANGALORE, TURKEY OR ANOTHER EUROPEAN TOUR? For all the latest news on British basketball www.gbbasketball.net "EXCUSE ME, ARE THESE FRITES? NO, IT IS BREAD & BUTTER"


the stig	Oct 23 2009, 12:17 PM Post #116
Bench Player Posts: 169 Group: Member Member #1,491 Joined: February 15, 2007	Quote: don't think you get to be on the board of reuters (olisa) a FD at virgin (wright), a chief marketing officer at the NBA (mullin) without being successful and good businessmen. Flawed argument. Bobby Banks (ex JP Morgan, Goldman Sachs, etc etc) still didn't have the nous to put the right people in to run the Heat when he took over the club. Lost his money, club put in administration - we all know what happened. If he'd listened to those who knew in the first place, it would have been a whole different story, instead of being schmoozed by idiots. The people running the BBL at the moment may not have been past-masters of financial empires but they know more about basketball and the trials and tribulations of running their clubs and basketball in the UK because they are actually doing it, here and now. David Stern's no fool - he will do whatever is best for the NBA brand.
	some say he can smell corners ....... some say his helmet is autographed by Lewis Hamilton some say the last edition of Top Gear was - the last one ......?


dave f	Oct 24 2009, 07:50 AM Post #117
All-Star Posts: 2,337 Group: Member Member #266 Joined: July 21, 2006	http://www.talkbasket.net/news/talkbasket-podcast-9-the-bbl-podcast-2266.html This should be posted on this thread as the 20 minute interview with the BBL chairrman indicates what is being done (re TV, british players, youth development, expansion, parliamentary group etc) as opposed to what isn`t and details some of the problems of the recent past and the need to avoid repeating history.



Ole	Oct 24 2009, 01:57 PM Post #118
Franchise Player Posts: 3,585 Group: Co-Admin Member #22 Joined: July 10, 2006	Thanks Dave! Very informative!
	All in all it's been a rocky road, Twists and turns along the way, But, I still pray for tomorrow All my hopes, my dreams Don't fade away... David Coverdale/Adrian Vandenberg


yeoman	Oct 26 2009, 02:43 PM Post #119
Sixth Man Posts: 490 Group: Member Member #103 Joined: July 16, 2006	gents, its really no use beating me up as i have an opinion just like you all. the fact of the matter is the BBA will launch. period. way too much momentum. comparing them to a bloke from goldman who owned a bbl club. please! the former chief marketing officer from the nba, who is from liverpool and ran a successful atlanta hawks franchise, has been working with the bba for about a year now. liverpool franchise anyone? at this point, the sniping is silly. i wish ron and his mates all the best. best of luck BBA. The Future of British Basketball!



inaminute23	Oct 26 2009, 02:45 PM Post #120
All-Star Posts: 1,451 Group: Member Member #2,171 Joined: June 5, 2007	Ok Yawnman we all believe you!
	SUPPORT TEAM GB! WE ARE GOING TO BANGALORE, TURKEY OR ANOTHER EUROPEAN TOUR? For all the latest news on British basketball www.gbbasketball.net "EXCUSE ME, ARE THESE FRITES? NO, IT IS BREAD & BUTTER"


Sumo	Oct 26 2009, 02:58 PM Post #121
Starter Posts: 882 Group: Member Member #81 Joined: July 13, 2006	Yeoman, you were just as strident about a launch when plan 1 was announced. It never happened. You then said there were structural changes and that the changes would lead to a revised launch. it never happened. You then tell us that the BBA has its 25M. Unless we are talking lire, it hasn't happened, they are still looking. You told us about annoucements re financing and franchises. They haven't happened. You see the pattern? What is worse, anybody even peripherally interested reads these broken timelines and thinks "how can you miss by such a margin?" At the moment the statline still reads 5-0-0. PERIOD.



hersey427	Oct 26 2009, 08:21 PM Post #122
Franchise Player Posts: 2,517 Group: Moderator Member #38 Joined: July 11, 2006	yeoman Oct 26 2009, 02:43 PM gents, its really no use beating me up as i have an opinion just like you all. the fact of the matter is the BBA will launch. period. way too much momentum. comparing them to a bloke from goldman who owned a bbl club. please! the former chief marketing officer from the nba, who is from liverpool and ran a successful atlanta hawks franchise, has been working with the bba for about a year now. liverpool franchise anyone? at this point, the sniping is silly. i wish ron and his mates all the best. best of luck BBA. The Future of British Basketball! Oh well, if it's facts we're talking about tell us about the 25 mill. $ or �, who's invested it etc. I like facts



Stephen Garrett	Oct 26 2009, 09:50 PM Post #123
All-Star Posts: 1,021 Group: Moderator Member #10 Joined: July 7, 2006	Quote: liverpool franchise anyone? Surely not anyone - seeing as Everton are already in the BBL and the BBA are partnering with Premiership clubs - that franchise would have to be one linked with Liverpool FC http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/sport/football/article6889508.ece Edited by Stephen Garrett, Oct 26 2009, 09:51 PM.



Sid23	Nov 9 2009, 04:07 PM Post #124
Rookie Posts: 16 Group: Member Member #10,199 Joined: March 18, 2009	As this thread has turned into a discussion on improving the future of basketball in this country, I thought it might be appropriate to post this link about a GB player who's doing his bit - if we get involved then you never know, something might actually get done (in London at least): http://iwishiwasalittlebittaller.squarespace.com/flinder-journal/2009/11/9/bojo-loves-basketball.html
	http://gbbasketball.net - the one stop shop for British basketball junkies http://twitter.com/matt_clear http://twitter.com/gbbasketballnet


Matt G	Nov 10 2009, 05:54 PM Post #125
Bench Player Posts: 162 Group: Member Member #3,789 Joined: September 15, 2007	GRoberts Oct 6 2009, 11:46 PM According to the Holy Prophet Ezekiel- peace be upon him- the following teams (with arenas) will be competing in the 2010-2011 BBA: Arsenal (O2 Arena) Aston Villa (NIA) Birmingham City (NEC) Cardiff City (CIA) Chelsea (O2 Arena) Coventry City (Skydome) Liverpool (ECHO Arena) Manchester City (Manchester Central) Manchester United (MEN Arena) Newcastle United (Metro Radio Arena) Nottingham Forest (Trent FM Arena) Rangers (SECC) Sheffield United (Sheffield Arena) Sheffield Wednesday (Hallam FM Arena) Please Note: Ezekiel, like most prophets, has been known to stretch the truth on occasions... Idiots! For the BBA to have half a chance they need teams in the following areas. Southern Scotland(covered) Northern Scotland Wales(covered) Northern Ireland North West England(over covered - no way in hell is there a market for two BBA sides in Manchester) North East England(again over covered - two teams in Sheffield?) Midlands(possibly over-covered here) London(covered if not over covered) SE England outside London SW England Another reason not to be impressed by the BBA - forget relying on football clubs - as the Mayor has already said there is no garuntee of football fans transferring their alliegences to a basketball team particularly if the basketball team costs the football team money. They're meant to be starting with a blank sheet of paper afterall!



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