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new offensive plays
Topic Started: Oct 5 2009, 12:43 PM (547 Views)
shooter	Oct 5 2009, 12:43 PM Post #1
Rookie Posts: 60 Group: Member Member #590 Joined: September 2, 2006	after seeing the wolves play for 3 games it's clear they only run a triangle play wit no ball movement,so it's real east to defend as we can see.and if the triangle isn't being used then it's whoever has the ball just shoots it.as a fan i may not know that much as ive never played but im sure chuck has more plays he can use that wud benefit the players.everyplay can't be a pick and roll or someone just throwing up a tough shot.



Oski	Oct 5 2009, 08:27 PM Post #2
Put a little mustard on that pass Posts: 30 Group: Member Member #10,104 Joined: February 11, 2009	I'm with you shooter. Their ball movement right now is bad. But also, they don't move without the ball. They stand around. For example, on Saturday night, a guard would pass the ball to a forward standing in the corner then then guard would go to the top of the arc. The forward with the ball was then double and triple teamed with no outlet pass to make because no guard was swinging behind him for an outlet pass and all the passing lanes were jammed up. Guards have to help out. The big guys help them by setting picks. It's called reciprocation. They gotta go to when a big guy with the ball is in trouble. I know all about isolation but when a big dawg draws a double team...haul ass to a passing lane! Now on to thoughts of a more pleasant nature...what was wrong Saturday night really was that the Wolves ran into a 5'11" buzz saw named Ryan Patton. He shoots the lights out, rebounds, knows how to draw the charge. What can you say, dude got game. We Wolves fans tried our best. We asked him to sit on the bench. Told him to not try so hard. Suggested he take up chain smoking at the half. Blew the duck whistle. All to no avail. Giving the Wolves the benefit of the doubt (and we Wolves fans have planty of doubt to go around), they looked lethargic. Read an article where coach had misgivings that he might be working them too hard. If they can get back to the way they played the first half of the Reading friendly, they'll be all right. They had great ball movement. They were faking before they passed, diving for balls, going to the rack. They won't win many games if they're always settling for outside shots...but that's the sign of a tired player. The only MAN out there consistently taking it to the hoop with authority was Skouson. Have I said enough now? Out, Guy



startin guard	Oct 5 2009, 08:44 PM Post #3
Rookie Posts: 5 Group: Member Member #9,969 Joined: November 23, 2008	Maybe the reason they are standing around doing nothing is because thats what coach has told them to do. You cant step on the floor and do your own thing. Maybe Chuck was made coach to quickly?? - he will soon learn the error of his ways, cause until he does, he wont get a win. - If chuck is really stuck for offensives, why don't he run the plays he ran as a player. Or phone a friend, or ask the audience or even ask jeeves.com ????



Oski	Oct 5 2009, 08:50 PM Post #4
Put a little mustard on that pass Posts: 30 Group: Member Member #10,104 Joined: February 11, 2009	Hey Startin' Guard, They weren't just standing around the first half of the Reading game. They were running an offensive, getting back on D and taking it strong. Hope you're posting that to give the Wolves something to put up on the wall in the locker room to give 'em motivation. GO WOLVES!



startin guard	Oct 5 2009, 09:05 PM Post #5
Rookie Posts: 5 Group: Member Member #9,969 Joined: November 23, 2008	The players need to bond and gel as a team, But regardless of how great your players are, it comes from the coach!!! Coach needs to get the guards working with the Big men, and the restwill come naturally. - Something postive for them to read at the half ... U have to earn every win, Don't stroll around and just expect to be given it. Edited by startin guard, Oct 5 2009, 09:07 PM.



shooter	Oct 6 2009, 12:08 AM Post #6
Rookie Posts: 60 Group: Member Member #590 Joined: September 2, 2006	oski-obviously if the players are not moving or setting picks it's cause the play they run which seems to be 1 play doesn't have the guards moving after watever pass they make.and as a former player if chuck realizes he is working them too hard during the week and they are tired for practice then he needs to change his practices,it's common sense and also put in different plays as suggested.



startin guard	Oct 6 2009, 12:53 AM Post #7
Rookie Posts: 5 Group: Member Member #9,969 Joined: November 23, 2008	i agree with shooter. This is a basketball team, maybe someone needs to tell coach cater that instead of him treating his players like a track and field team!! - but in his defence, u cant see the beauty of a picture if yoour standing in it ...



The Wolfman	Oct 6 2009, 12:22 PM Post #8
Rookie Posts: 8 Group: Member Member #10,145 Joined: February 26, 2009	Coach Evans is still finding his feet we are only three games into the season and yes we have three loses, I am sure chuck will sort it out. We have to think back to the reading game, they are a division below the wolves and are a very young side this year, so we were bound to look better. The players will get to know eachother better and I am sure that we will pick a win up soon as there are lots of work being done that not everyone sees, so how you can make a judgement from watching three or four games when you dont see the full picture I dont know. If I am not mistaken the LA lakers have won many titles using the same offence that the wolves are running!!! so there is still time to win silverware which we are all hoping for this year. Remember the season is not a sprint its a marathon.



shooter	Oct 6 2009, 01:37 PM Post #9
Rookie Posts: 60 Group: Member Member #590 Joined: September 2, 2006	it took the lakers over 4 years to win there first title thru the triangle offense,its the most difficult offense to run outta any offense especially if you have a bunch of ney guys who dont know each others games besides dissy,skous an vid..so ya point about the triangle offense makes no sense cause this isn't the nba.and the wolves def dont have a kobe or shaq to run the offense thru.



Mr. AK47	Oct 6 2009, 04:47 PM Post #10
Rookie Posts: 4 Group: Member Member #10,501 Joined: September 6, 2009	"starting guard' i dont know whose team you'd start on but certaintly would not be one of mine with the insight you have on basketball. 1. Evans working the guys too hard... Don't get me wrong, I love Brit basketball but surely you dont think the guys practice like a top euro-club team does or let alone an old-fashioned Yugoslavian coached practice. (Many clubs have one by the way) Ask any "championship" team at the end of the season if practices were not demanding or anything less than...well... practice! You can't! 2. Granted we have no Kobe/Shaq, but what you dont understand about the triangle offense is, Yes there are certain foundations to it, but the offense is also great for leaving it up to the "player" to make a read and move of that. Kobe/Shaq/Jordan all excelled in the offense because they were incredible talent but also they read the game stunningly. Be a player not a machine. 3. Is this not Professional Basketball!!! What level does any coach tell you not to move on the court. Do you know there are a million things you can do without the ball in your hand (screen-away, interchange, back-cut, rellocate, etc) Dont always think YOU have to put the ball in the basket ALL THE TIME! *Wolves huge problem for last couple of seasons. So if the guys think there training too hard, cant think for themselves "on the court", and play for themselves and not the team maybe you need some "players" and not the coach. Play some D too



worcesterwolfie	Oct 7 2009, 03:16 PM Post #11
Bench Player Posts: 114 Group: Member Member #758 Joined: October 3, 2006	i stand by what i said before, so here it is again..and this is not after watching three games.............................. WELL.....what can we say...... It the same story......OLD NEWS !!! i have never seen a Wolves Start in the BBL where we look like a team with any confidence, it does not help the fact we seem to thrive on changing every level of the managment at the club from coach to the starting five..... every year.......yes granted we kept a very good player in Harker and maybe Harry, but these guys have got to do it all again in terms of getting to know the set plays and the rookies style of playing in the team...and this is where we struggle, it takes half a season before we start to see any positive results in terms of a good team win where we beat another team who played well too, rather a win from another team poor showing. Dont get me wrong we have a good team of players and an excellent coach in Chuck, but somebody put lead in the boot of the high performance........ferrari, and it takes a good chunk of the season before it found and the rest of the season to try and tune it before we run out of games to see it efforts...and then what do we do......we do it all again the following season!!!! the pattern is to common and very noticeable to the fans of Wolves and basketball.......like i said before OLD NEWS!!!!! on the bright side we fans have always turned out well and and given a good friendly atmosphere...... even Dave on the drums is bashing harder every year........so has anyone found the LEAD yet ???????? Worcesterwolfie come on you Wolves!!!!
	Worcesterwolfie where there is a will, there is a way!![/big]


Oski	Oct 7 2009, 07:12 PM Post #12
Put a little mustard on that pass Posts: 30 Group: Member Member #10,104 Joined: February 11, 2009	Hey Wolves fans, Enjoying this banter. Totally agree with AK47. See you Saturday, Guy PS - GO WOLVES!



Mr. AK47	Oct 8 2009, 01:46 AM Post #13
Rookie Posts: 4 Group: Member Member #10,501 Joined: September 6, 2009	worcesterwolfie, I agree and respect what your saying. It is a shame though this is our case every season... in my opinion I have to look at the management in this circumstance but at the end of it all they are the reason we even have a team and have the honour of having pro ball in Worcester. I dont know too much about the inside of the wolves organization but i reckon we have 2 owners/managers and then a coach... Im pretty sure both managers have very confliciting timelines within there days and dont actually have that crucial time it takes to nurture a growing organization, I think it literally takes a "small city" to create and maintain a successful team with volunteers, trustees, and sponsors. I feel as much time players put with training, the behind the scenes crew must put in there time too. As a partnership with the uni, i dont understand how help is not sufficent enough to get this sorted. Give people that friendly, inspirational, apart-of-a-family type of kick and you dont always have to pay them! So dont give me the budget excuse, people volunteer for EVERYTHING and your telling me they wont for a professional sports team Also...and call me the bad guy... but if your managment core, is small, perhaps 3 or less persons, be sure all 3 are "experts" of the game! Dont get me wrong, being a fan and having business savvy in management roles are key but, know the ins/outs of your investment. Im sure a car garage owner knows what kind of cars come in and out of his shop and whats on the inside of those cars...get my point A season doesnt begin on Round 1 of the games, but in the summertime/preseason. Get guys in and get them settled, adapted, informed, bonded, fit, and on the same page. All the teams in the BBL wait late to do this, why? and why do we have to follow them in doing this, it surely makes sense to start trying something new. Who says you cant have more friendlies? Inter-squad scrimmages w/ officials? Not having the car on, engine rev'd, parts figured out before the race begins is the "drivers" fault... who's driving us?



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