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The Group of Death
Topic Started: Sep 17 2009, 09:45 AM (829 Views)
hersey427	Sep 17 2009, 09:45 AM Post #1
Franchise Player Posts: 2,515 Group: Moderator Member #38 Joined: July 11, 2006	If anyone doubted the strength of Group C in Poland, have a look at the results of the second stage games against teams from Group D. Slovenia won the group, Serbia came third and Spain fourth. Between them they went 7-2 in the second stage. It's a tale of "if only", of course, but certainly puts our results in perspective. Spain will now, of course, get their fingers out of their lazy backsides and win the whole thing.



Matt G	Sep 17 2009, 11:43 AM Post #2
Bench Player Posts: 162 Group: Member Member #3,789 Joined: September 15, 2007	Looks like they've got their act together already - similar to France having gone via the AQR. That match will be tasty.



hersey427	Sep 18 2009, 08:30 AM Post #3
Franchise Player Posts: 2,515 Group: Moderator Member #38 Joined: July 11, 2006	As predicted ! Two already in the semis, Slovenia looking favourites to beat Croatia (my man in Croatia is very disappointed with how they're playing), which would give us three of four semi-finalists. That must help, if not in the rankings, with the general perceptions internationally of how we performed. I don't believe we'll get invited to Turkey, but I'm clining on irrationally



inaminute23	Sep 18 2009, 08:43 AM Post #4
All-Star Posts: 1,451 Group: Member Member #2,171 Joined: June 5, 2007	I think our chances of a wild card have took a serious knock! Lithuania being knocked out almost guarantees them a wild card, because otherwise they will be the only team in Europe, possibly the world who won’t be playing competitive games next year, as they are hosts for Eurobasket 2010 By the way I have decided in theory we actually finished around 5th at Eurobasket, seeing as group c has 2 semi finalists!!
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hersey427	Sep 18 2009, 08:54 AM Post #5
Franchise Player Posts: 2,515 Group: Moderator Member #38 Joined: July 11, 2006	I never looked at it that way. Much as I fancy a beano in Turkey, I'm not sure our long-term plans wouldn't be better served by another year in the qualifiers..



hersey427	Sep 18 2009, 12:14 PM Post #6
Franchise Player Posts: 2,515 Group: Moderator Member #38 Joined: July 11, 2006	Having said that, isn't there a fifth place in Turkey still up for grabs ? Hence the (otherwise pointless) classification games. If so, go Lithuania After looking on the Turkey2010 site, it appears that Europe has six places+ Turkey. That might be 5+Turkey+Spain as holders, but that's moot now. Edited by hersey427, Sep 18 2009, 12:27 PM.



inaminute23	Sep 18 2009, 01:37 PM Post #7
All-Star Posts: 1,451 Group: Member Member #2,171 Joined: June 5, 2007	That is correct, but still how do you figure Lithuania in that?
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hersey427	Sep 18 2009, 01:42 PM Post #8
Franchise Player Posts: 2,515 Group: Moderator Member #38 Joined: July 11, 2006	Because I'm clearly not paying attention I'm gonig to pub, I function better when



dave f	Sep 18 2009, 03:28 PM Post #9
All-Star Posts: 2,336 Group: Member Member #266 Joined: July 21, 2006	surely its better not worse if lithuania get in because that would demonstarte that preparation for future hostings is a relevant criteria which would put us, logically, right in the frame



Matt G	Sep 18 2009, 03:29 PM Post #10
Bench Player Posts: 162 Group: Member Member #3,789 Joined: September 15, 2007	If Russia lose their playoff game, they'll get the wildcard - bank on it.



dave f	Sep 18 2009, 03:39 PM Post #11
All-Star Posts: 2,336 Group: Member Member #266 Joined: July 21, 2006	but there are 4 wildcards are there not?



inaminute23	Sep 18 2009, 04:47 PM Post #12
All-Star Posts: 1,451 Group: Member Member #2,171 Joined: June 5, 2007	dave f Sep 18 2009, 03:28 PM because that would demonstarte that preparation for future hostings is a relevant criteria I don't think it would. As previously mentioned it would be the first time ever since Fiba introduced summer basketball that a team would have no competetive games. Lithuania being the biggest basketball country in Europe they will be a dead cert to play.
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GRoberts	Sep 18 2009, 10:47 PM Post #13
Bench Player Posts: 141 Group: Member Member #10,107 Joined: February 12, 2009	Now Slovenia have reached the Semis, joining Serbia and Spain, it is more than fair to say that GB were indeed in the Group of Death. Puts the achievements of Finch's boys into perspective- they really did put in an excellent performance! Begs the question though, why were 3 of the tournament's top 4 sides drawn in the same group? Edited by GRoberts, Sep 18 2009, 10:47 PM.



GlennHardaker	Sep 18 2009, 11:00 PM Post #14
Basketball Legend Posts: 9,048 Group: Global Moderator Member #1,234 Joined: December 23, 2006	Spain have obviously qualified anyway but the USA got the automatic berth through being Olympic champions S it is 6 spots for Europe plus Turkey The 4 wildcards will be allocated on 13th December
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Stephen Garrett	Sep 19 2009, 09:34 AM Post #15
All-Star Posts: 1,021 Group: Moderator Member #10 Joined: July 7, 2006	Quote: but there are 4 wildcards are there not? Believe that a maximum of 2 will be awarded to one region though. I'm pessimistic on a wildcard now as pointed out some big markets France, Russia have made the quarters and will miss out



GlennHardaker	Sep 19 2009, 09:37 AM Post #16
Basketball Legend Posts: 9,048 Group: Global Moderator Member #1,234 Joined: December 23, 2006	suspect France and Russia will still make it (winners of 5th-8th bracket make it)
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hersey427	Sep 19 2009, 09:53 AM Post #17
Franchise Player Posts: 2,515 Group: Moderator Member #38 Joined: July 11, 2006	inaminute23 Sep 18 2009, 04:47 PM dave f Sep 18 2009, 03:28 PM because that would demonstarte that preparation for future hostings is a relevant criteria I don't think it would. As previously mentioned it would be the first time ever since Fiba introduced summer basketball that a team would have no competetive games. Lithuania being the biggest basketball country in Europe they will be a dead cert to play. I take your point, but sooner or later (probably in an Olympic year) it's going to happen. The problem with giving us a wildcard is that we then qualify for Eurobasket 2011, we should be in the 2012 Olympics and will then qualify for Eurobasket 2013. That's four tournaments in a row without having to qualify - I can see the argument against allowing a relative minnor in world basketball terms that kind of bonus. As an aside, am I the only one who thinks giving four wildcards is a bit weird ? Can you see it happening in football ? England fail to qualify for the World Cup and someone at FIFA says "Oh, they invented the game, better let them in anyway"



Matt G	Sep 19 2009, 06:19 PM Post #18
Bench Player Posts: 162 Group: Member Member #3,789 Joined: September 15, 2007	Four wildcards! Russia can pretty much bank one of them. Any ideas who's being tipped for wildcards outside Europe?



GlennHardaker	Sep 20 2009, 12:32 PM Post #19
Basketball Legend Posts: 9,048 Group: Global Moderator Member #1,234 Joined: December 23, 2006	France and Croatia have made it to Turkey alongside Spain, Slovenia, Serbia and Greece Russia will need a wildcard having lost to Croatia yesterday
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Vilius	Sep 20 2009, 12:56 PM Post #20
Sixth Man Posts: 331 Group: Member Member #2,520 Joined: July 13, 2007	Matt G Sep 19 2009, 06:19 PM Four wildcards! Russia can pretty much bank one of them. Any ideas who's being tipped for wildcards outside Europe? The criteria for the wild cards * In order to be invited, a team must have participated in its 2009 FIBA Zone Qualifying Championship. * There can be a maximum number of three teams from a given FIBA Zone. In addition to the two above-mentioned requirements, FIBA shall take into consideration the following aspects: Sporting Aspects * Popularity of basketball in the country * Quality and sporting results of the country's national team * Quality of work by the National Federation Economic Aspects * Involvement of local television station(s) and/or competition(s) in domestic and international basketball * Importance of the country to FIBA's marketing and television partners * Importance of the country to the Organizers of the FIBA World Championship http://www.fiba.com/pages/eng/fe/10/fwc/men/v1/pres/wildCard/p/openNodeIDs/8962/selNodeID/8962/index.html Europe will get no more than 3 wildcards. They will probably be given to Lithuania, Russia and Germany. I don't think GB has any chance this time simply because there are other countries that have successful history. And if we look back at WC 2006 then the wildcards were given to Serbia, Turkey and Italy if I'm not mistaken. It seems that the favourites to get the wildcard outside Europe are Lebanon and Dominican Republic.
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Matt G	Sep 20 2009, 03:55 PM Post #21
Bench Player Posts: 162 Group: Member Member #3,789 Joined: September 15, 2007	I think we're a long shot for a wildcard as well. Russia will bank one as they only just missed out and were without their best player at Eurobasket. Your team 'might' on the grounds that otherwise you'll have no competitive games next year. You have a fair point with Germany but if there are two other possibles outside Europe then my hunch says they'll miss out in favour of the two non-Euro sides you mentioned. At which point, I'll have to hope we don't get Germany in our Division A qualifying group next year! Even with Luol I'm not sure we could beat a full strength Germany side(even though a trip out there would be tempting).



GlennHardaker	Sep 20 2009, 04:01 PM Post #22
Basketball Legend Posts: 9,048 Group: Global Moderator Member #1,234 Joined: December 23, 2006	Germany depend on Nowitzki as much as we depend on Deng when it comes to their chances of competing at the top level Agree about Russia and Lithuania getting WCs but think the third one for Europe may come our way given our Olympic host status but dont forget Italy who had none of their NBA stars available in the AQR and suffered accordingly
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GRoberts	Sep 20 2009, 04:17 PM Post #23
Bench Player Posts: 141 Group: Member Member #10,107 Joined: February 12, 2009	Assuming Russia and Lithuania get two of Europe's maximum three wild cards, I think GB have quite a strong case for the third (if given to a European team): 1) GB had to play in a group with 3 of the best 4 teams at Eurobasket, and tho we didn't win any games, we weren't humiliated and actually pushed Spain really close! And that's without Deng (and Gordon). 2) As Glenn has mentioned, Britain will host the 2012 Olympics. Huge incentive to include GB. If we prove woeful at 2010 and 2012, then punish us, but at least give us a shot to help us get going and prove what we can do. 3) Italy cannot get a wild card because they weren't at Eurobasket. 4) British basketball needs it more than most. The official criteria says FIBA will take into account "the popularity of basketball in the country"- this could be interpreted two ways: 1) if it's already popular, you're in (in which case we're screwed) or 2) if the popularity could do with a boost, and your nation has a potentially massive market just waiting for an opportunity like this, we'll consider you. If the main competitor for the final wild card spot is Germany, why not have a play-off: GB vs Germany, home and away? That'd be a great event at the O2 and could receive a lot of attention to boost the sport over here! I'm guessing FIBA wouldn't do/allow that, so forgive me, I'm a dreamer... but I'm not the only one!



inaminute23	Sep 21 2009, 08:58 AM Post #24
All-Star Posts: 1,451 Group: Member Member #2,171 Joined: June 5, 2007	GRoberts Sep 20 2009, 04:17 PM . If the main competitor for the final wild card spot is Germany, why not have a play-off: GB vs Germany, home and away? That'd be a great event at the O2 and could receive a lot of attention to boost the sport over here! I'm guessing FIBA wouldn't do/allow that, so forgive me, I'm a dreamer... but I'm not the only one! That would be an amazing game(s). They could even have a mini Wild card tournament…………….
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Matt G	Sep 21 2009, 10:31 AM Post #25
Bench Player Posts: 162 Group: Member Member #3,789 Joined: September 15, 2007	Awesome idea and I'd look to get to both legs of that tie if it were to happen. That's one heck of an "if" though. My concern is that though technically FIBA can give three wildcards to Europe, will they be willing to?



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