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| Topic Started: Sep 8 2009, 08:08 PM (5,399 Views) | |
| hersey427 | Sep 8 2009, 08:08 PM Post #1 |
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Nice to hear he was his normal negative self last night. A man who basically done nothing & won nothing during a career in a game he doesn't even like. I've discussed with Swiss that I wouldn't even piss near him if he was on fire in case he rolled into it. Discuss. PS, we're 7-0 down.  Edit Should have reacted sooner on gut instinct - sorry. Title has to go Hersey -mind you, has brought out a good topic and discussion Jim Edited by JimW, Sep 9 2009, 11:15 PM.
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| Irving Thomas | Sep 8 2009, 08:10 PM Post #2 |
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It's 12-0... |
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| retsek | Sep 8 2009, 08:43 PM Post #3 |
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Hands down one of the most idiotic posts that's ever been made in this entire board. What ever way you try and look at it, that's just pure stupidity. Edited by retsek, Sep 8 2009, 08:51 PM.
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| ceejayemm | Sep 8 2009, 08:52 PM Post #4 |
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Where's Tony G? No sign of him on the GB bench. |
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| ceejayemm | Sep 8 2009, 08:53 PM Post #5 |
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Where's Tony G? No sign of him on the GB bench. |
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| hersey427 | Sep 8 2009, 09:09 PM Post #6 |
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Sorry, I forgot a Commonwealth Games bronze. What else justifies the constant tripe he comes out with? |
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| retsek | Sep 8 2009, 09:16 PM Post #7 |
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Winning the Intercontinental cup (look it up) averaging 1 point shy of 20 a game in the tournament? Winning the Euroleague? First Brit to ever start an NBA game? Being good enough to be offered a multi-million dollar deal that would have put him on a championship winning LA Lakers? Voted the NBA's 6th most improved player for the 99/2000 season? That's just on his wiki page, I haven't checked what his NBA career highs were, I probably should, but I think I'm done making you look daft. No, your right, he's never done anything in the game of basketball, my mistake 
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| hersey427 | Sep 8 2009, 09:30 PM Post #8 |
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I know what he won. Google's really great  But does any of that justify him behaving like an utter cock ever since and constant harming public perception of British basketball ? Feel free to edit your answer, you seem incapable of getting it right the first time. |
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| retsek | Sep 8 2009, 09:34 PM Post #9 |
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So don't say silly things then :p Stick to the fact that you don't like him or that he is derogitory about our poor standard of baskebtall league, they are both true. |
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| yeoman | Sep 8 2009, 09:45 PM Post #10 |
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retsek, you must realize that hersey is a hater and very content with mediocrity. and since he's vehemently opposed to the bba, know wonder he thinks JA is a scumbag as JA is listed as director of player personnel. figures. fact remains that before deng, JA was the most visible player in the nba and turned down a 17mil USD contract out of principle. standards are important as evident in this year competition. we're just not there yet. if all the stars line up and our best nba stars come back to play for the olympic, then maybe. but overall development of the game cannot depend on our best nba players playing at any given time. fact. |
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| thirtythr33 | Sep 8 2009, 09:49 PM Post #11 |
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#### off yeoman. |
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| backache | Sep 8 2009, 10:14 PM Post #12 |
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Looks like you have a friend Ritesik. 'We're not there yet'. Where were you when the national team was going nowhere? Give the GB programme some credit please. I know your BBA buddies have been slagging it off behind the scenes, but credit where credit is due please! As for 'motivational' speaking tonight I think I'll be booking Ron first. |
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| backache | Sep 8 2009, 10:15 PM Post #13 |
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Thats Ron McIntosh by the way. |
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| GRoberts | Sep 9 2009, 12:19 AM Post #14 |
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Can't decide whether it's hugely worrying or plain laughable that such an absurd topic title was posted at all, let alone by a "moderator" on this site! Shame on you either way.  Whether you agree with his views or not (and the fact that he is outspoken about them), Amaechi has undoubtedly had a positive impact on British basketball. He may not have been an NBA superstar, but he made the most of his talent and broke the ground for Brits in the NBA. Immediately after winning bronze with England at the Commonwealth games in 2006, Amaechi was very vocal in his campaign for the sport to get more government funding, so it could be argued that he has played a part in the emergence of GB as a proper international outfit. John's crusade for more funding appears to be ongoing, as can be garnered from this article, which also mentions Amaechi's involvement with the Special Olympics- hardly the behaviour of a scumbag! Most importantly, I know of several hundred kids using his centre in Manchester every week who could tell you that Amaechi's impact stretches far beyond the mere trivialities of the game. I would be shocked to hear that the starter of this topic had ever actually met Amaechi. Having had that pleasure on a number of occasions, I have found John incredibly personable, polite and genuinely interested in the well-being of all those who use the Amaechi centre. Indeed, I am proud to belong to a club in which John has some involvement. |
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| the crow | Sep 9 2009, 12:48 AM Post #15 |
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He is so negative about the bbl.I know its not a great league but its the best we have.He seems to slate it every time he gets a chance but does nothing to help the situation.I feel this does more damage than good for the British game.Its good to do things at lower league level but if players dont have anywere to go in this country after this whats the point.For someone whos meant to be a motivational speaker he makes me feel down every time i hear him speak.I realy dont understand what he is trying to do.Its a shame as he was a good player and could be a good role model for british based players.I know the BBl isnt the NBA but we have to start somewhere and if you dont encourage it and support it basketball in this country will never improve.I dont want to send all our young talent abroard when 99.9% will fail.Id rather they stayed here and raised the level of the british game to a level where it could compete even if it takes a long time.Love the game not the money. |
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| GRoberts | Sep 9 2009, 09:08 AM Post #16 |
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I think Amaechi's claim that the BBL is "the worst pro league in Europe" is not far off the mark. One man's negativity is another man's realism. To break that point down, the following nations all have pro leagues of a higher standard than the BBL: Spain, Greece, Russia, Italy, France, Germany, Lithuania, Israel, Turkey, Belgium... probably several eastern European nations too. As for "love the game not the money", any young British player looking to improve their game should look abroad, not because of the money but due to the simple fact that the standard of ball is higher. Take the example of GB's Nick George. He'd walk into most BBL starting line-ups, but over the past few years has been bounced around Europe, including being loaned out to lower division Italian sides by Benneton Treviso and playing briefly in Spain's second division for Alicante. When all's said and done, the BBL has little to shout about when it comes to competing with the rest of Europe. |
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| dave f | Sep 9 2009, 11:58 AM Post #17 |
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Difficulut to see how Nick George is an example of the advantage of europe. He has bounced around in bad situations and it is clear form watching eurobasket that he is well behind other guys on a mental level. Compare him to Andrew Sullivan who used the BBL as a springboard to learn to become a pro, won the league MVP and turned it into good contracts with top clubs (Badalona and Samara). I know the path I would recommend. And then look at the case of Jamie Glen , a talented England U18 who saw no path forward for himself at the excellent Manchester development program, did not want to go to America or fork out $10k for gran canaria. He is developing very nicely in this country and learning what it takes to be a pro player. Is he wrong? Or stupid? Doesnt fit with Amaechis repeated prognostications of doom does it. John Amaechi is now a marginalised figure, (the game progressing well without him) and that for an egotist, is the greatest frustration of all. Because of all the bridges he has burned with nearly every influential figure in our sport the only option he has is to continue his unremitting negativity towards everyone involved in our sport. Very sad but utterly predictable. |
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| backache | Sep 9 2009, 12:41 PM Post #18 |
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And once again (ad nausiem) there are 47 pro leagues in Europe. BBL is not in the bottom half, let alone the bottom. Looking at last night's 2/3rds full venue for a Euro international, I saw several better attendances than that at Eagles home games last season. |
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| Number6 | Sep 9 2009, 12:44 PM Post #19 |
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John played half a season for the Sharks, and in the Trophy final at Birmingham against Towers , scored a game high 40. John s talent was undoubted, but to my mind he was never a team player , and for that reason , when he left to go back to the NBA, I was pleased. John should have been Loul Deng ( regarding being the leading light in British basketball ), but he wanted everyone to do things 'The Amechi Way', and would not work with anyone else, indeed when he joined the EBL , I think his priority was to destroy the BBL at whatever cost, and widened the split that was always there to some degree. To be honest I heard Ronny MacIntosh & John's comentary over the last 2 games, and for the most part , thought it was quite good, however, his negativity was always lurking in the background, and surfaced on more than one occasion. Personally I always got on with him very well, and I also think he is extremly polite, and extremely clever, afterall he does have a masters in Psycology ( or Child Psycology not sure which ), he has undoubtedly done really well, breaking out from his background and getting to the top the hard way, and for that he deserves much respect. Plus his talent was huge. 
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| Wales Baller | Sep 9 2009, 12:59 PM Post #20 |
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To call John Amaechi a scumbag is completely unacceptable  . Who the hell is anyone (especially Hersey) have the right to criticise a man for seeing it how it is.How can you knock a man for all he has done for Basketball in this country more than anyone put together in this forum is beyond as yes we all want to see Basketball develop in this country, but bitching, biting and stupid comments at a man who has set landmarks is not the way forward. Yes it is now obvious he is backing the BBA (why he is doing this, I don't know) and he must have a reason for it but that is his opinion to back a league that at the moment is a 'fantasy league' and we are supposed to live in a democracy so all I can say is let him get on with it. The point is whatever he says or does, he does it with a reason but to throw nasty insults at a man who has done so much is pathetic, for all I know Hersey, you might want Basketball to fail in this country but would I criticise you for it, no, I would debate that with you but not throw nasty insults. Think about it. |
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| dave f | Sep 9 2009, 01:04 PM Post #21 |
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his reason is the furtherance of his own ego. But fortunately the people in positions of power have now worked that out. His constituency is now non-existent (not EB, not BPB and not even Manchester). Hence the supposed dalliance with the fantasy league. Because being irrelevant is the worst thing in the world for an egomaniac. Edited by dave f, Sep 9 2009, 01:05 PM.
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| Sumo | Sep 9 2009, 01:34 PM Post #22 |
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Says the man who dominated the TV coverage away from the floor on last night's game ... hope you got appearance money Dave. |
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| yeoman | Sep 9 2009, 06:40 PM Post #23 |
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interesting talk about amaechi, give credit where credit is due. he played at the very highest level. that alone should garner respect. why he chose to back the BBA is not surprising at all. seems to me EVERYONE on their team is accomplished and proven in their professions. successfull people attract like minded people. i predict fantasy will become reality sooner than we think. |
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| GRoberts | Sep 9 2009, 07:09 PM Post #24 |
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It's a funny kind of "egomaniac" who puts thousands of his own hard-earned dollars/pounds into a basketball centre! I think the word you're looking for is "philanthropist".  How many other top athletes can say they've made that kind of difference to so many kids? If being strong-minded and putting your money where your mouth is makes someone an egomaniac, I'd say we need more egomaniacs in British basketball.  Also, do egomaniacs turn down $17 million contracts and the chance to play at one of the biggest franchises in sports?  |
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| retsek | Sep 9 2009, 10:50 PM Post #25 |
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That's ALMOST as stupid a statement as Herseys first post. Almost. Do you honest and seriously believe that is the only reason he is backing the BBA? Is that a delusional thought, remarkable small mindedness, or just the ridiculously short-sighted vision of someone who can't drag himself away from the alter of Paul Blake? Who knows, maybe it's a combination of all 3. GRoberts has made but a few simple retorts about which blow your "ego" theory right out of the water. The only ego I see here is you (yet again) with a pityful attempt to belittle the achievements, motivations and goals of a far greater, and more influential person then you will ever be. Edited by retsek, Sep 9 2009, 10:51 PM.
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