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BBS; That should read BBA !!!
Topic Started: Aug 19 2009, 08:34 AM (10,628 Views)
hersey427	Sep 21 2009, 04:54 PM Post #326
Franchise Player Posts: 2,522 Group: Moderator Member #38 Joined: July 11, 2006	The first plan was to take over the BBL. The second plan was to start a rival league with clubs from the BBL, EBL and newly formed ones. Obviously, as you've decided to re-write history, they were probably plans zero and minus one, but i prefer reality to the fantasy world you live in. Speaking of which, I see you're trying to pretend you're British again. How's the weather in Bournemouth ? As you either can't or won't give any detail - and let's face it, the question i asked was general enough for you to avoid giving away any major secrets - I suggest you come back when you do feel you can actually share something worthwhile with us.



yeoman	Sep 21 2009, 05:23 PM Post #327
Sixth Man Posts: 490 Group: Member Member #103 Joined: July 16, 2006	i'm just as british as ben gordon, deng and the others who hold a british passport and live abroad. the next time we will hear from the BBA will be in the media before the game at the O2 and probably the week before. also, i would expect to hear a bunch of buzz in regards to the NBA. what will i hear from the BBL. wow. should hit 10,000 views soon. seems the bba's topics generate far more buzz on this site than the incumbent league. not bad for a fantasy and telling about the BBL. change is coming! Edited by yeoman, Sep 21 2009, 05:25 PM.



Sumo	Sep 21 2009, 05:28 PM Post #328
Starter Posts: 882 Group: Member Member #81 Joined: July 13, 2006	At the risk of stating the obvious but wishing to keep style with you Yeoman ... The QUALIFIED and EXPERIENCED names of the BBA have so far only managed to mimic the title of the film FAILURE TO LAUNCH Quote: and if there is money behind it and a workable model (none of us know what their model is, do we.) they will be successful. That sounds more like a SPECULATIVE statement than the FACT you would normally quote. A bit like stating the obvious ... the art is in knowing what is workable and what isn't. Having to invest 25M+ p.a. for 10 teams etc is a punt at best. How significant is it that SP has NOTHING on their website about the BBA or basketballl? Are they hired help rather than partners? Perhaps they were shown the plan and thought "mmmm, a daily rate this time round please".



Sumo	Sep 21 2009, 05:33 PM Post #329
Starter Posts: 882 Group: Member Member #81 Joined: July 13, 2006	10,000 hits - I think people want to see the sledging and the banter. Even those who were with you first time round have fallen by the wayside ... all way too tired of hearing "Just wait and see." I can see the headline anytime soon ... "STERN finally prepared to make makes a quote about the BBA." "WHO?" Quote: the next time we will hear from the BBA will be in the media Couldn't resist quoting it but won't it be only the second time we've actually heard from them formally. First time was the back of the envelope plan ... emails saying I can't tell you anything is hardly a communication. Seems to be just a waste of precious bandwidth. No better than spam.



The Mayor	Sep 21 2009, 05:39 PM Post #330
Starter Posts: 816 Group: Moderator Member #2,281 Joined: June 23, 2007	Whats really interesting about the 'plans' is that taking over the BBL would be much cheaper and more attractive than setting up a league with no FIBA recognition, no EB recognition, no GB recognition and effectively splitting one competing product (Basketball) into two competing brands. Making a niche of a niche if you will. 7 BBL Franchises would surely be cheaper (if majority rules the BBL Governance table) and then they could have forced the changes they want. This would have course been cheaper and easier if they had their own money to play with. Get a majority of investors with initial BBL franchises (Not exactly expensive in terms of global sports businesses) and force the structural changes envisioned and job done. Without their own significant investment however they need another investment strategy and selling franchises to compete in a league that does not exist appears to be the strategy of 'last' choice for just such a situation. Others may indeed be frightened of the threat posed to the status quo but I just cannot see where there is even the smallest margin to interest any serious investor. I am not even remotely concerned by the idea of 'what if they actually pull this off' - I am not risk averse in business but I am 'money down the bog averse' Sports investment is rarely about making money and is often done through either ego or long term commitment to a club. Both are usually done with an acceptance that profits may be hard to come by. In the case of competing in a league that doesn't exist it is hard to see where either motivation will be served. I can think of the perfect illustration not far from where I am sitting of where American successful 'names' have invested all their expertise in sports management and significant financial resources into the UK sports market. These are people who had ammassed a fortune in acquiring US Sports franchises and running them. Bigger names in fact than those on the BBA Board with more money and expertise! Please ask any Liverpool fan how all that success, money and experience in understanding the US sports market translates into a UK market context. In fact you could just ask the Royal Bank of Scotland - if they have a branch in "Bournemouth" - great use of the word 'period' by the way - utterly Anglo honestly - full stop.
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yeoman	Sep 21 2009, 05:41 PM Post #331
Sixth Man Posts: 490 Group: Member Member #103 Joined: July 16, 2006	funny sumo, can't think the NBA is glowing about how wonderful the BBL is for sure. they more than likely think its a joke but have to be cordial. can't speculate the arrangement with SP as know one will know until a formal annoucement is made in a few weeks time. again, what will the BBL be announcing? everton shutting down basketball perhaps? a new bucket for leicester? a smaller venue to hold the 50 or so supporters for capitals? and you call this professional ball? well mayor, still early days. one thing is certain, if i had a choice of investing in a broken model or a new model with better expertise, i choose the latter. NO ONE will invest in the BBL in its current state and management. i place my bet on the BBA. but lets wait until the announcements around the O2. things should be clearer for sure. as far as US success stories, you have aston villa to look at how its done right! Edited by yeoman, Sep 21 2009, 05:49 PM.



The Mayor	Sep 21 2009, 05:59 PM Post #332
Starter Posts: 816 Group: Moderator Member #2,281 Joined: June 23, 2007	But surely the point is if the BBA have the investment then they could easily fix what they see is wrong with a majority of investors voting as they would own individual franchises. This would not divide the niche sport and give them FIBA, EB, GB recognition - Impossible to tie into the Olympics without it I would expect. So the model would no longer be in your view 'Broke'. So then why not take up this easier way of fixing what you percieve as wrong? That would require something called money. The failure to take up the easier of the two options indicates to me a lack of centrally committed financial interest in the proposals and a hope in flogging franchices to investors that don't believe in market research. Good luck with that. Edit and totally agree about the Randy lerner example as my point was more about the difference between the two markets rather than "look at these names aren't they great". Lerner didn't steamroll in and promise the earth. He respected and built on what was already there and took people with him. He also didn't flood the club with riches but worked incrementally to improve the club. That is the type of investment and leadership Basketball could benefit from not assett stripping debt-piling 'we know best because this works in the US', bull dozing, rip it up and start again merchants. Edited by The Mayor, Sep 21 2009, 06:04 PM.
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Sumo	Sep 21 2009, 06:30 PM Post #333
Starter Posts: 882 Group: Member Member #81 Joined: July 13, 2006	Quote: as far as US success stories, you have aston villa to look at how its done right! Good to see you learning from your mistakes because Glazer was not quite the example you needed. The geographic source of the finance is largely irelevant ... working with people in post was one of the key assets brought about by the new partnership and as the mayor points out, realistic promises. Never pays to over commit ... now where did I remember saying that before? Edited by Sumo, Sep 21 2009, 06:36 PM.



hersey427	Sep 21 2009, 07:14 PM Post #334
Franchise Player Posts: 2,522 Group: Moderator Member #38 Joined: July 11, 2006	Quote: i'm just as british as ben gordon, deng and the others who hold a british passport and live abroad. Of course you are. It's not as if you're a proven liar who is still claiming to live in Bournmouth. But you keep on pretending, I'm sure you're fooling someone. All this talk about the NBA. Have I missed the public show of support from David Stern ? can you produce a single shred of evidence that even knows who the BBA is ? Seriously, put up or shut up. Hiring a room at the O2 has no bearing on whether they know or care about the organisation who's footing the bill. After all, NBA Europe is all about $$$$



yeoman	Sep 21 2009, 07:25 PM Post #335
Sixth Man Posts: 490 Group: Member Member #103 Joined: July 16, 2006	my point is that surely the nba (london) would know who the bba is just by the sheer number of ex and current nba people involved. don't be naive hersey, just common sense. as for why would the BBA buy the BBL, we went through that before and can't see that ever happening. as far as fiba and eb support, they would not grant/assist the BBA because of the massive success of the BBL. right. it bbl was that powerful, they'd at least be on TV and have a title sponsor. they are fragile and everyone in the GLOBAL basketball community know it. again, we don't know what the model is, how much they've raised to date or what the financial terms are. until we do, its all speculation. as i said earlier, as long as the BBA is on the radar, sponsors and investors will not invest in the BBL for concern of whats coming around the corner. also, the game goes no where without a respectable pro league. simple really.



yeoman	Sep 21 2009, 07:31 PM Post #336
Sixth Man Posts: 490 Group: Member Member #103 Joined: July 16, 2006	my goal of 10,000 views has now been reached! i am now off to something more entertaining! thanks whats bev.



hersey427	Sep 21 2009, 08:00 PM Post #337
Franchise Player Posts: 2,522 Group: Moderator Member #38 Joined: July 11, 2006	your goal ? I started the thread. Still, don't rush back. It's not as if you actually know anything



The Mayor	Sep 21 2009, 08:41 PM Post #338
Starter Posts: 816 Group: Moderator Member #2,281 Joined: June 23, 2007	Also worth considering is that by perpetuating such a thread is that in a few weeks time should somebody (say a potential investor) do a google search on the BBA then the longer this thread lasts and the more times it uses the word BBA and Basketball then the further up their google list it will eventually become. So good job on the 10,000 views! As I said your best hope is investors that do not do Market research. And also those that don't google. Good luck with that!
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Brucie24	Sep 21 2009, 09:52 PM Post #339
Bench Player Posts: 182 Group: Member Member #1,779 Joined: March 31, 2007	We've all come out looking like idiots for endlessly falling for the same trick time and time again. Edited by Brucie24, Sep 21 2009, 09:54 PM.
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Brucie24	Sep 21 2009, 09:53 PM Post #340
Bench Player Posts: 182 Group: Member Member #1,779 Joined: March 31, 2007	yeoman Sep 21 2009, 07:31 PM my goal of 10,000 views has now been reached! i am now off to something more entertaining! thanks whats bev. I tried to warn you all.
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Ole	Sep 21 2009, 10:06 PM Post #341
Franchise Player Posts: 3,585 Group: Co-Admin Member #22 Joined: July 10, 2006	As Yawnman's reached his goal and gone off to pastures new, I'm closing the thread. Until there's something of substance to actually hold and grasp, can I suggest that it remains thus?? As The Mayor's said, this thread has done a superb job in giving any Googlers the true feeling of the Basketball Faithful!! Thank you and good night!
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Ole	Sep 21 2009, 10:10 PM Post #342
Franchise Player Posts: 3,585 Group: Co-Admin Member #22 Joined: July 10, 2006	P.S. Yawnman - if you're sentiments are true and you've genuinely gone off to pastures new - good luck and I hope "Bournemouth" remains to your liking. As you'll no longer have any need for your registration, I'll be more than happy to de-register you. If you want to remain registered, drop me a PM before Thursday. Leave it until Friday and I'll be far too busy enjoying our basketball league to re-register you!!!
	All in all it's been a rocky road, Twists and turns along the way, But, I still pray for tomorrow All my hopes, my dreams Don't fade away... David Coverdale/Adrian Vandenberg


hersey427	Sep 21 2009, 10:25 PM Post #343
Franchise Player Posts: 2,522 Group: Moderator Member #38 Joined: July 11, 2006	It's amazing his 10,000 views target only became apparent when he ran out of BS. Maybe I didn't mis-type the title of this thread after all.



Ole	Sep 21 2009, 10:36 PM Post #344
Franchise Player Posts: 3,585 Group: Co-Admin Member #22 Joined: July 10, 2006	Quote: Maybe I didn't mis-type the title of this thread after all. Spot on!!
	All in all it's been a rocky road, Twists and turns along the way, But, I still pray for tomorrow All my hopes, my dreams Don't fade away... David Coverdale/Adrian Vandenberg


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