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Beijing Olympic thread
Topic Started: Aug 23 2007, 07:58 AM (1,716 Views)
GlennHardaker
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Qualifiers

Spain (World Champions)
China (Host nation)
Australia
Iran
Angola
USA
Argentina
Russia
Lithuania
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GlennHardaker
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Australia just booked their berth in Beijing with a 2-0 series win over New Zealand in the Oceania Championships

New Zeland now go to the "repecharge" World Qualifying tournament next summer
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Angola won the African title and booked their spot in Beijing with a 86-72 ein over Cameroon

Cameroon and third placed Cape Verde will have a second chance to reach Beijing in the World Qualifying tournament next summer
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GlennHardaker
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Iran's spot in Beijing was booked after a first ever win in the Asian Championships, 74-69 over Lebanon, led by 31 points from Hamad Heddadi

Lebanon and third placed South Korea progress to the World Qualifying Tournament next July
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GlennHardaker
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France are in danger of missing Beijing

They can only make the repechage with a win over Slovenia in the 7th place playoff

Germany and Croatia have qualified for the WQT by winning their classification games at Eurobasket in Madrid
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GlennHardaker
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Russia and Lithuania made it to Beijing after coming first and third in Eurobasket

Greece, Germany , Croatia and Slovenia qualify for the repechage tournament next summer which means France miss out altogether
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does that mean Gb wont play any of these teams next summer?


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Only teams that compete in the Olympics will qualify directly for Eurobasket 2009. This means we will not know until next July, which of Greece, Germany , Croatia and Slovenia will be in the Division A qualifying competition next August/September.

There are certain to be some 'big' teams in the competition, including Serbia, Italy, France and Turkey.
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So these teams will play in both the Olympics & eurobasket2009 qualification? Seems a bit harsh. i presume the Beijing olympics are in july then?


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inaminute23
Sep 17 2007, 12:15 PM
So these teams will play in both the Olympics & eurobasket2009 qualification? Seems a bit harsh. i presume the Beijing olympics are in july then?


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Greece, Germany, Croatia and Slovenia will play in the repecharge tournament in July '08 hoping to quality for the Olympics.

If any of them qualify for the Olympics they'll then play in, er, the Olympics and will be automatic qualifiers for Eurobasket 2009.

The teams which don't qualify wont go to Beijing and will enter Div A with a view to qualifying for Eurobasket 2009 like any other team.
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Sorry for being dim! It does mean though some teams will be playing 2 very important tournaments in the summer. Big year next year then!


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Sep 17 2007, 12:21 PM
inaminute23
Sep 17 2007, 12:15 PM
So these teams will play in both the Olympics & eurobasket2009 qualification? Seems a bit harsh. i presume the Beijing olympics are in july then?


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Greece, Germany, Croatia and Slovenia will play in the repecharge tournament in July '08 hoping to quality for the Olympics.

If any of them qualify for the Olympics they'll then play in, er, the Olympics and will be automatic qualifiers for Eurobasket 2009.

The teams which don't qualify wont go to Beijing and will enter Div A with a view to qualifying for Eurobasket 2009 like any other team.

You're wrong man... you cannot force the teams not qualifying to Bejing after ther repecheage to play in another big tournament!! It would mean to have players traning for three months in the national teams!!!
This should be the format:
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Spain and Poland are already qualified to Euro 2009. The NT qualified to the Olympics are qualified too, as the teams qualifying for the "repechage".. assuming that Spain will end in the first 6 and knowing that Poland has been knocked out from this year championships, it means the teams ending from 1 to 7 in Spain gets the qualifications (Spain included) plus Poland. All the others teams from Div. A will have to earn qualifications next year. They will be drawn in 4 groups playing in summer 2008, the 4 winners and the three best second classified get the qualification to Poland. So it's 1 (Poland) + 1 (Spain) + 6 (European 2007 qualified) + 7 (2008 qualifiers) = 15 teams.. the last team will be determined by another tournament with the teams who didn't qualify in 2008, like the one that qualified Israel this summer. Further I think the last classified in the last tournament has to play to avoid relegation in a kind of "final Three" tournament like Hungary, Sweden ad Danemark had to do this year.

Sorry for my bad english, I wish you get what I wrote..


So Russia, Lithuania, Greece, Germany, Croatia, Slovenia, Spain and Poland are already qualified..no need to play others games next year to go to Poland..
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Sorry Irving, but you are wrong.

The European teams participating in the Pre-Olympic Tournament in July either

1. Qualify and go on to play in the Olympic tournament in August, or

2. Fail to qualify and go on to the Division A qualifying competition in August/September.
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Irving Thomas
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Where did you read that? It was written in italian press that the 4 teams going to the pre olimpyc tournament are already qualified...
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So confusing! I really think fiba's qualifying tournaments are overly complicated as are some of the qualification formats . I think they need to take a leaf out of football & play major tournaments every 4 years.


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Sep 17 2007, 03:03 PM
Where did you read that? It was written in italian press that the 4 teams going to the pre olimpyc tournament are already qualified...

I am a frequent visitor to Munich, and 2 or 3 years ago I picked up from their offices a copy of FIBA Europe Regulations (As adopted by the Board of FIBA Europe in March, 2004). I have this in front of me. Article 28 states:

"The teams participating in the Olympic Games and the World Championships will qualify directly for the subsequent Final Round of the European Championship (16 teams). The Organiser of the Final Round of the European Championship is also directly qualified."

Article 29.2 states:

"The number of teams which will qualify for the Final Round (of the European Championship) depends on the number of teams qualified for the Olympic Games or the World Championship."

It is difficult to see how "qualified for Olympic Games" can be taken to include teams taking part in a tournament in an attempt to qualify.
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I'd be equally surprised if there are only two direct qualifiers for Poland as it would certainly mean a busy summer for the four repechage teams (it's the first time for a while that FIBA has staged a repechage tournament)
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Who said anything about "only two direct qualifiers for Poland"?
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I should have said automatic
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Robson
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That doesn't clarify it for me Glenn. Spain, Russia and Lithuania will be taking part in the Olympic games, plus any other teams that qualify from the Pre-Olympic Qualifying Tournament.

Perhaps you meant 'at least 3 automatic qualifiers plus Poland'.

I have just found an updated version of the document I referred to earlier on the FIBAEurope website. It was placed on there 6 days ago, according to the date stamp. Find it here.
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I think it depends when they make the draw- if they draw Division A in November there may well be 7 direct qualifiers as there would be too much uncertainty involved otherwise
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By looking at previous years, the draw is made around the 1Oth October.


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Robson statement is correct
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The teams participating in the Olympic Games and the World Championships will qualify directly for the subsequent Final Round of the European Championship (16 teams). The Organiser of the Final Round of the European Championship is also directly qualified."



As it stands :the teams that have qualified for the Olympics have automatically qualified for Eurobasket 2009: Russia and Lithuania from Eurobasket 2007 and Spain as World Champions.

Poland have qualified as hosts.


If more Europeans teams qualify for Beijing after the qualifying tournament then they earn the RIGHT to qualify for Eurobasket 2009. This is the issue that Fiba Europe will be looking into and will only make an announcement in November concerning this topic.

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Robson
Sep 17 2007, 04:16 PM
Irving Thomas
Sep 17 2007, 03:03 PM
Where did you read that? It was written in italian press that the 4 teams going to the pre olimpyc tournament are already qualified...

I am a frequent visitor to Munich, and 2 or 3 years ago I picked up from their offices a copy of FIBA Europe Regulations (As adopted by the Board of FIBA Europe in March, 2004). I have this in front of me. Article 28 states:

"The teams participating in the Olympic Games and the World Championships will qualify directly for the subsequent Final Round of the European Championship (16 teams). The Organiser of the Final Round of the European Championship is also directly qualified."

Article 29.2 states:

"The number of teams which will qualify for the Final Round (of the European Championship) depends on the number of teams qualified for the Olympic Games or the World Championship."

It is difficult to see how "qualified for Olympic Games" can be taken to include teams taking part in a tournament in an attempt to qualify.

If the document is dated 2004 it could have been reviewed. Infact at that time (and even now) Fiba was not even sure about the pre olympic tournament to be held. I think it is idiot to determine if a team qualifies for the european championships depending on a victory or defeat by a team from Puerto Rico, South Korea or New Zealand...do you agree?

I read once again the news on Gazzetta dello sport yesterday, they are not sure about the format but they think it is like I wrote before.

How can you imagine the Greece, slovenia and other teams preparing for a tournament versus teams from Africa, Asia, Oceania and americas then having to play almost 6 games (home and away) in the summer? It means having players on the National Team for 3 months without a break!
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Wooooaaaa,
Win all your games and you go through, simple.
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Just trying to bring of levity, at the end of the day I feel that the rules will suit whoever FIBA wants in any tournament, just win and all will be well in 2012 and forget the rest as the refs will also make sure who wins! witness Louel Deng in Switzerland, 2 fouls in the first minute to even things up a bit.
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