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Wrestlemania 23; why not?
Topic Started: Apr 6 2006, 09:35 AM (2,232 Views)
Chad Matthews
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Do that about once a week or so Dawsey...

Come in here and be positive...I feed off that shit...
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I also think the pic looked like Kennedy. It's Lashley though, and that's a good thing. I don't want to see Kennedy turned face this soon, and especially be put in a match with Umaga.

Anyone else read the rumor, I think mentioned by The Torch, that McMahon is toying with the idea of having MNM/Hardyz in a Scaffold Match?

MNM/Hardyz need to happen, but not in that kind of match because it doesn't allow for a whole lot. I'm begging WWE to invent a new creative, exciting match type... and I don't mean a variation of a cage.

With that said, I'd love to see Kane/Khali in a scaffold, provided Kane won :D
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dawsey28
Feb 25 2007, 02:31 AM
I thought that pic looked like Kennedy.

It won't be Test or Kennedy, though.


I mean look at this: http://www.wwe.com/content/media/images/3883682/4180928

and this: http://www.wwe.com/content/media/images/3883682/4248878

That didn't look like Booker.

I don't mind Edge and Booker being in the MITB.

You almost HAVE to put upper midcarders who are a step away from main event in the match.

Even if they have been in the main event before or they can step into it at anytime. You should be able to BELIEVE any of the 6 men in the ladder match COULD win it.

That's what the match IS: A stepping stone into the main event. A No 1 Contender's match. So everyone in the match SHOULD fit the title of a No 1 Contender. Or at least the majority of them. I guess that is just my opinion of it, though. I don't even mind if someone who has already won it is in the match.

And as far as Kane vs Khali and Ashley vs Melina goes, even if those matches are booked, and they ARE NOT, That's only TWO MATCHES and that does not mean the rest of the card is going to be terrible.

Ashley vs Melina may not be the best Women's match, but it will probably be there to "kill the crowd" before the Main Events. I am fine with that. It probably won't even take up that much time.

Only FOUR matches have been anounced.

They still have yet to book an undercard.

And yes I realize Kane vs Booker, Orton vs Edge are not be a part of the card now as Booker and Edge are in the MITB,

But they still have New Breed, ECW Originals, MNM, Hardys, Shelton Benjamin, Carlito, Chris Benoit, London & Kendrick, MVP, Kennedy

I don't know. I guess I'm still positive right now.

Dawsey, I too feed off the positive, and am trying to get people ready for mania....
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Chad Matthews
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I think I'll just sit back and let things play out...

As the card currently stands, I think it looks very good...
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Chad Matthews
Feb 25 2007, 12:29 PM
I think I'll just sit back and let things play out...

As the card currently stands, I think it looks very good...

I think it looks "pretty good." Certainly worth watching.
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I've been intrigued by the potential MVP vs. Benoit match-up...

And, as per what I've been reading on the net, it seems that I had good reason to. People are saying that those two have had strong matches on house shows, to the point that they even put a near 30-minute match b/t the two as the headlining match of one of the weaker shows.

I think MVP has shown potential, so I'm kinda looking forward to seeing what he's got against a guy like Benoit.
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I like MVP. He's a good talent, and it's a shame he's given such a dumbass gimick. That being said, I think the match itself would go well, but I don't think the rivalry would go over all that great.
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World Heavyweight Champion Batista vs. Undertaker
WWE Champion John Cena vs. Shawn Michaels
Battle of the Billionaires
Money in the Bank Ladder Match
ECW Originals vs. New Breed
Women's Champion Melina vs. Ashley
Kane vs. The Great Khali
MVP vs. Chris Benoit


As far as WM standards go, this card may be a bit weak but...

8 matches have been more or less announced and I only dislike two of them.


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Well let's compare shall we.

Wrestlemania 22:
Blue matches indicate good matches

World Heavyweight Championship:
Rey Mysterio vs Kurt Angle vs Randy Orton


WWE Championship:
John Cena vs. Triple H


Shawn Michaels vs. Mr. McMahon (No Holds Barred Match)

Edge vs. Mick Foley (Hardcore Match)

Money in the Bank 2

Undertaker vs Mark Henry (Casket Match)

US Championship:
JBL vs Chris Benoit


World Tag Team Championship:
Kane & Big Show vs Chris Masters & Carlito

Women's Championship:
Mickie James vs. Trish Stratus

Boogeyman vs. Booker T & Sharmell

Torrie Wilson vs. Candice Michelle (Playboy Pillow Fight)

**Aside from the bunk this mania delivered**

Wrestlemania 21
Red matches indicate good matches

Rey Mysterio vs. Eddie Guerrero

Money in the Bank

Interpromotional Match
Undertaker vs Randy Orton


Women's Championship Match
Trish Stratus vs Christy Hemme w/ Lita to retain

Interpromotional Match
Kurt Angle vs. Shawn Michaels


Sumo Matach
Akebono def. Big Show

WWE Championship Match
John Cena vs. JBL

World Heavyweight Championship Match
Batista vs. Triple H

**Both main events fell short...which killed it**

Wrestlemania 20:
Purple indicates good match

United States Championship
John Cena vs Big Show to become new champion

Fatal Four Way World Tag Team Championship Match
Booker T & Rob Van Dam vs La Resistance, Mark Jindrak & Garrison Cade and the Dudleys to retain

Christian vs Chris Jericho w/ Trish Stratus

Handicap Match
Randy Orton, Batista & Ric Flair vs The Rock & Mick Foley

Playboy Evening Gown Match
Sable & Torrie Wilson vs Stacy Keibler & Miss Jackie

Cruiserweight Open

Goldberg vs Brock Lesnar (Stone Cold was special guest referee)

Fatal Four Way WWE Tag Team Championship Match
Scotty 2 Hotty & Rikishi vs Basham Brothers, World’s Greatest Tag Team and APA

Women's Championship Match
Victoria vs Molly Holly

WWE Championship Match
Eddie Guerrero vs Kurt Angle


Undertaker w/ Paul Bearer vs Kane

Triple Threat World Heavyweight Championship Match
Chris Benoit vs Triple H vs Shawn Michaels


**Both main events were good, Jericho/Christian delivered...but the rest was shit**

Wrestlemania 19:
Orange indicates good

Cruiserweight Championship
Matt Hardy vs Rey Mysterio


Handicap Match
Undertaker vs Big Show and A-Train

Triple Threat Women’s Championship Match
Trish Stratus vs Jazz and Victoria to become new champion

Triple Threat WWE Tag Team Championship Match
Team Angle vs Los Guerreros and Chris Benoit & Rhyno


Shawn Michaels vs Chris Jericho

Cat Fight
Stacy Keibler, Torrie Wilson and the Miller Light Cat Fight girls

World Heavyweight Championship Match
Triple H w/ Ric Flair vs Booker T

Street Fight
Hollywood Hogan vs Mr. McMahon


The Rock vs Stone Cold

WWE Championship Match
Brock Lesnar vs Kurt Angle


**Evenly distributed Mania with Rock/Hogan picking up the slack for the WHC match which stunk**


NOW FOR THIS YEARS:

World Heavyweight Champion Batista vs. Undertaker
WWE Champion John Cena vs. Shawn Michaels
Battle of the Billionaires
Money in the Bank Ladder Match
ECW Originals vs. New Breed
Women's Champion Melina vs. Ashley
Kane vs. The Great Khali
MVP vs. Chris Benoit

So far we have 4 matches that should deliver....
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We'll see how it goes...It's still Mania...I'm sure we'll all find a way to get pumped...

Only a little over 2 weeks away. Here's hoping for good health to all involved before then...I swear, I worry about HBK's health every week on Raw...
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Chad Matthews
Mar 15 2007, 09:59 AM
We'll see how it goes...It's still Mania...I'm sure we'll all find a way to get pumped...

Only a little over 2 weeks away. Here's hoping for good health to all involved before then...I swear, I worry about HBK's health every week on Raw...

Me, too.

I still feel like I remember reading months ago that he was due to take time off to get his knee fixed, among other things. Then DX got reformed and all the rest of it.

Needless to say: WM would be ruined outright if something happened to HBK. I really wish he were abstaining from any ring activity outright except for as needed PPVs.

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ECW Originals vs. New Breed


You honestly don't believe this match can deliver? If done right, the match could be quiet good... it certainly has the talent to be good.
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Trish/Mickie last year was a damn fine match, despite the botch. Those chicks deserve to have their match blue too ;)

There's only two crap matches on the card, and luckily they'll both probably be kept under five minutes. Umaga/Lashley will be ugly, but it has the big time feel to keep it decent and I'm sure Austin will keep it entertaining.

New Breed/Originals needs to be extreme rules to be any good.

And they really need to get the tag straps off of Cena/HBK and onto MNM or TWGTT and put them in a unification match against London/Kendrick (who greatly deserve to be on the card). If all PPV's are going to be co-branded, and you have basically 3 teams per show, then you might as well have one set of tag titles for RAW, Smackdown, and ECW.
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That's a good idea, Stinger...but I don't think it'll happen. THere are rumors of a Mania 14 style tag team battle royal being added to the card. I have no problems with battle royals...i'm a battle royal mark...

I think every match could be good with the exceptions of the obvious turds.

Part of me believes that Lashley-Umaga will be, surprisingly, really good. Matches involving McMahon are historically booked to hide every potential flaw. I suspect this will be no different. Somehow, some way, this match will deliver. Quite frankly, I think they know that it needs to deliver to back up the hype it's been given.

HBK vs. Cena and MITB are clearly going to be the standout matches, though.
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Only a little over 2 weeks away. Here's hoping for good health to all involved before then...I swear, I worry about HBK's health every week on Raw...


I worry too :( I would love HBK to have another run with the title but not right now because that would really put a lot of pressure on him.

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And they really need to get the tag straps off of Cena/HBK and onto MNM or TWGTT and put them in a unification match against London/Kendrick (who greatly deserve to be on the card). If all PPV's are going to be co-branded, and you have basically 3 teams per show, then you might as well have one set of tag titles for RAW, Smackdown, and ECW.


I agree with that 100%. Imagine the matches they could have if the belts where unified.

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That's a good idea, Stinger...but I don't think it'll happen. THere are rumors of a Mania 14 style tag team battle royal being added to the card. I have no problems with battle royals...i'm a battle royal mark...


I love battle royal matches and I know I wont be disappointed with the match either.
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Mar 15 2007, 02:43 PM
I agree with that 100%. Imagine the matches they could have if the belts where unified.

I'm glad others besides me are saying this, because it's so true. :)

Too bad it won't happen anytime soon...if ever. :(
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^^Actually Q...It very well could....over tht top rope battle royal for the unified WWE tag titles.
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Mar 15 2007, 03:19 PM
^^Actually Q...It very well could....over tht top rope battle royal for the unified WWE tag titles.

^^ That definitely should happen.
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Yeah...that could happen...

There's really no reason to have two sets of tag titles if they aren't doing single-brand PPVs anymore. However, my money is on them retaining the belts and adding tag belts to ECW. ECW could actually use tag titles and build them up as meaningful since they are only a one-hour show. The New Breed vs. Originals feud could be the lead in to what could become a damn solid tag division for them.
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Well, that could make for an interesting match.....ECW tag vs. WWE tag vs. World Tag at next years mania....
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Well, we're about a week out...I must say that I'm excited, even though I think this is the weakest card of the modern era...

Anyone have any thoughts or predictions?

Personally, I'm really only looking forward to three matches...everything is else either something I'm just hoping to be surprised by or pretty much dreading.

HBK vs. Cena tops my list. I look forward to a great match. Being a huge fan of last year's main-event (a match that fell into the "hoping to be surprised by" category at the time), I have to admit that I think HBK vs. Cena could be a candidate for match of the year. The crowd should be hot and torn between the two. That ought to be fun. Cena is a better worker now than he was a year ago, so I have very high hopes for this bout...

Second is MITB III. I was hoping for Edge vs. Orton, but an 8-man ladder match featuring 3 former World champions, 3 ladder match legends, and a rising star certainly catches my eye. I think this will challenge for MOTN and legitimately could be a MOTY candidate if booked right. I'd hope this gets a higher position on the card than second and that they book it creatively. My only concern for this match is Booker...I can see him being a real clunker out there...I hope his role is limited like Kane's was a few years ago, or that he surprises me...

The only other match I'm really looking forward to is Batista vs. Undertaker. I have a hunch this will main-event, although I wouldn't be surprised if it didn't. Taker has the ability to carry lesser talent, and Batista is definitely that. I would hope that they keep the length short to allow Batista to maximize his potential in the ring. A 15-16 minute match would be good. I can't really see this going much above 2.5 stars, though...and I wouldn't be at all surprised if it was a real DUD due to Bats. Here's hoping for the best, because there is certainly a great deal of intrigue surrounding them facing each other for the first time.

The matches I'm hoping to be surprised by are Benoit-MVP, Lashley-Umaga, and the 6-man tag. In Lashley-Umaga, I can see a really well booked match, but I can also envision some stupid booking to get Trump involved. This could surprise me, but I'm honestly expecting to feel as if this went on forever and took about 15-minutes too much time.

In Benoit-MVP, I'm expecting a 12-minute opener where we see the potential of what they could do. I was not a fan of Benoit-JBL last year, for I felt it was entirely too short. I think this will get more time and be a better match. To surprise me, they'd need to go 3-stars...

And the 6-man tag...Booking will make or break it. The New Breed have raw talent, but with the exception of the highly underrated Kevin Thorne (who I think should get a SD call up and be an upper mid-card heel), they are unpolished. The feud has been good, though, so hopefully this can be entertaining and add to the card.

If all goes well, that's a solid 6 match foundation to help eliminate the big dump that Ashley-Melina and Kane-Khali are likely to take on the card. If all doesn't go well, I still feel like I'll get 2 matches to add to my Wrestlemania Recall (which I do every year in the build up to Mania).

My expectations are pretty low, but I'm still pumped about Mania. Mania is Mania...it's about the atmosphere more than anything...
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You know, it is really weird for me. I'm having a difficult time getting into this year's 'Mania. Usually, I wouldn't have a problem, but for some reason, this year I just can't seem to get hyped up for it.

It's odd because there are only TWO matches that I don't think will be good. The rest of the matches should be fine.

I think the reason behind this lack of interest is because the of the WWE's booking. I mean, the main events. Neither HBK/Cena nor 'Taker/Batista have DONE anything to make me interested. AT ALL!!!

Tension between tag champs (Cena/HBK) and throwing random wrestlers at each other like they're snowballs or something ('Taker/Batista) isn't enough for me.

I'll give them credit for Lashley/Umaga. It started out well, and I was interested until it became McMahon dominated. At least the ECW WORLD Champion finally looks like a World Champion instead of some midcard champion posing as a world champion, though.

Money In The Bank Ladder Match. I am looking forward to this match. I just hope Eight contestants isn't too many.

The Originals vs New Breed needs to be named an extreme rules match. Or else I'm not really that interested. I'm glad they did this match as I wanted a way to get some ECW guys on the card without just throwing them the MITB or having a Multi-man ECW Championship match.

This match has the potential to be awesome if they pull out everything for this match: barbed wire and weapons galore. Just make it as hardcore as possible. Add in a mix of some great wrestling and it should be unbelievable. I have a feeling that's not going to happen, though. They tried to add some interest with Mick Foley, but it didn't do much for me.

I hope this next week, they make me interested.

Now don't get me wrong the show SHOULD be good. It is Wrestlemania and like I said, there are only TWO matches that I don't like on the card. What I'm trying to say is that the WWE haven't got me pumped for 'Mania.
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Mar 24 2007, 10:54 PM
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What I'm trying to say is that the WWE haven't got me pumped for 'Mania.

Same here. You spelled out the key problem, as usual: Poor writing and booking.

And yet again: You are another person that's considered way more "optimistic" and "positive" than I am, and here you are in the same boat with me and several others.

The WWE needessly put themselves in a bind when the booking for months was nothing but John Cena and DX. If you weren't one of those three individuals, you may as well have dropped dead as do anything else.

So much for the brand split meaning more TV time for guys that may otherwise not have gotten it.

There IS enough talent on the rosters right now that this current state of affairs really shouldn't be, even without Kurt Angle, Eddie Guerrero, and Triple H.

All the WWE continues to do is fulfill an expectation I stated right when the brand split started: No real competition means less effort put forth. There's no fire lit under their ass anymore so, as far as they are concerned, there really is no need to try that hard anymore. It's that simple.




I think I'm at the point where I honestly don't care if I see it or not.

It's going to be like wrestling basically has been for months for me: If I have absolutely nothing better to do that night, maybe I'll tune it in, or in this case: Trek down the sports bar to see WM. If I don't? I'll live. ;)
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Minor Spoilers: Not even sure that they are considered Spoilers.

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Trish Stratus, Ludacris and Timbaland at Wrestlemania 23.

Trish Stratus was booked to make several appearances in the Las Vegas area during WrestleMania weekend but has pulled out from the appearances and apparently will be working in some capacity with WWE during WrestleMania weekend.

Trish Stratus was booked to be on a talk show called Carnage this Sunday night at 11PM ET which airs on Showdown.net, AudioWrestling.com and CarnageTalk.com. We will tune in to find out if Trish makes this booking or not (the Carnage show was to co-sponsor one of Trish's appearances in Vegas so it will be interesting to see if Trish completely blows off all of her commitments or not). No word yet if her appearances in Vegas will be rescheduled to another weekend or simply canceled.

As an added bonus to this year’s WrestleMania event, fans will be treated by performances from Ludacris and Timbaland during this year’s WWE World Heavyweight Championship Match reports Sohh.com

According to XM Satellite radio, Ludacris will be performing at "WrestleMania 23," which is being held April 1 at Ford Field in Detroit, MI. The event, which is also being aired on Pay-Per-View, is expected to attract some 78,000 fans.

Timbaland has also confirmed (via his myspace page) that he will perform at the event. Timbo currently plans to perform new music from his soon to be released album Shock Value. The highly anticipated CD features appearances from Nelly Furtado, Justin Timberlake, Dr. Dre, 50 Cent, Elton John, Fall Out Boy and The Hives. Shock Value hits stores on April 3.


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I read that about Trish Stratus yesterday, I was disappointed to learn earlier today that she claims that report is false and that she won't be at Wrestlemania 23 (nor was she booked for those radio shows). I would've loved a Trish appearance, because damn I miss her.

I also don't care if I watch or not. It doesn't seem special, and I'd probably end up getting pissed if Cena or Batista or both win.

$50 on a possible letdown or $20 a month later and know what I'm getting (plus the entire HOF & other extras)?

Yeah, I'll probably just get the DVD.
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