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Wrestlemania 23; why not?
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Jules
Jan 21 2007, 09:51 AM
Looking over the entire roster on all the brands right now, I can't honestly see a single possible match up that screams 'must check that out' to me. Unless they do some weird and insanely brutal TLC type thing, which even then, I've seen it so many times before that I'd be mostly numb to anything this side of someone jumping out of a moving helicopter whilst imploding themselves and their opponent with hand grenades (which happen to break seven thousand nearby dining tables) upon impact...


Anyway, let's look at the possible 'main event' matches for each brand, and then some interbrand stuff as well. I'm trying hard to just think of stuff that I'd actually 'like' to see. So no Khali or Umaga vs anyone.


For sure the Raw main event will probably feature one of Edge, Cena, Orton or HBK, could be an interesting or good match regardless of how you do it, but still Cena vs HBK vs Orton vs Edge screams B level main event PPV, and while that'd make a great main event for say, Backlash, but for Wrestle fucking Mania... it'd just be another match regardless of how arrange it.

Wouldn't matter if it was Edge vs Cena, HBK vs Cena, or Orton vs Cena... We've seen it all many times before, and while it might be Wrestlemania worthy for some, to me, I'd just download it afterwards like any other event. Not to say it couldn't be good stuff, which it very well could be, but on paper it just doesn't scream 'BUY ME' which a Wrestlemania main event should do.

As for Smackdown, Batista vs anyone is a dull prospect. Undertaker makes sense storyline wise, and might make for an entertaining angle, but you know the match itself is going to suuu-uh-uhhhh-ck a big fat giant diseased penis. And booking wise, it's lose lose, I don't want to see Taker's streak ended by Big Davey Bitch-tits, but then again, I don't really need to see Taker with any kind of title any time soon either.


ECW has the same issue with Blaster Lashley at the moment. Wouldn't matter if it was RVD, Punk, Sandman or Balls fuckin Mahoney in an extreme rules set your grandmother on fire and drive a car off a cliff death match, it'd still suck monkey balls and would at best, be a Velocity level main event.


I can't remember a Wrestlemania that I was less excited for. Thank God Donal Trump and Hulk Hogan might show up to save the day though... (  <--- Extremely obvious raging sarcasm..)

Downright scary. Once again, you have me halfway convinced that you have some mind reading device and you used it on me in the middle of the night or something. ;)


I'm glad someone else and someone "less cynical" than me wrote this, because it's true.

Honestly, at this point in time, I really couldn't care less about WM or even the RR, for that matter. That's where it's at for the most part and I think Jules spelled it out as well as anyone could.

Like I wrote in this past week's RAW thread...I'm pretty much almost back to my mid 90's form where I basically had given up on wrestling except for checking the magazines in the drug store once a month to keep up with a few guys.

Now I can use the Internet instead. That's pretty much where it's at for me right now.

I can either watch "bad" with WWE or I can go from "bad to worse" and watch complete shit like TNA. Outside of these, I do like ROH, UFC, and some of that other stuff and I need to make a lot more of an aggressive effort to watch those kinds of products instead of this shit.

And the final insult yet again is: These PPV's cost way too much money, in general, especially WrestleManias. I wouldn't care who was on the card or what match it was. $50? Kiss my ass. It's made all the more atrocious when the product and rosters are in the current shape that they are.
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If HBK vs. John Cena were on the card, I'd view that as definitely Wrestlemania worthy. It hasn't happened before on a grand stage...it hasn't happened in anything more than a quick Raw main-event. Ditto for Cena vs. Orton, which isn't as Mania worthy but is still Mania worthy, imo.

I agree, though, that for what will likely be the second straight year, there's not a match that makes Mania feel like Mania. HBK vs. Angle, HBK vs. Y2J or Rock-Austin, Angle vs. Guerrero or Benoit in the main-event, Rock vs. Hogan, Trips vs. Taker...

I can't see how they are going to get there at this point, but Mania will still feel like Mania. Batista vs. Taker isn't something I'm particularly amped for but there's no doubt that's the biggest SD main-event since Angle-Guerrero.

We'll see what happens...
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Jan 21 2007, 12:42 PM
If HBK vs. John Cena were on the card, I'd view that as definitely Wrestlemania worthy.  It hasn't happened before on a grand stage...it hasn't happened in anything more than a quick Raw main-event.  Ditto for Cena vs. Orton, which isn't as Mania worthy but is still Mania worthy, imo.


Cena vs. Orton doesn't come anywhere close to Cena vs. HBK for a WM match.

Cena vs. Orton is a PPV main event for just about any other time.

Cena vs. HBK pretty much needs to happen to make this WM main event scene worth a damn.


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I agree, though, that for what will likely be the second straight year, there's not a match that makes Mania feel like Mania.  HBK vs. Angle, HBK vs. Y2J or Rock-Austin, Angle vs. Guerrero or Benoit in the main-event, Rock vs. Hogan, Trips vs. Taker...


Yup. I do hope they get Chris Jericho back. That would help things out.

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I can't see how they are going to get there at this point, but Mania will still feel like Mania.  Batista vs. Taker isn't something I'm particularly amped for but there's no doubt that's the biggest SD main-event since Angle-Guerrero. 

We'll see what happens...


They need to pick it up big time.

Batista vs. Taker has a certain niche value, but who are we kidding? Taker's age has been showing for some time and we all know what Batista can and can't do. The match needs to be a gimmick one all the way because it's going to be ugly.




As a whole, the WWE is pretty much back to early to mid 90's form, before WCW came out of nowhere and FORCED them to step it up.

Instead of Yankem, Goobledygooker, and Doink, we have Boogeyman and Khali and the same kind of wacky bullshit like "Rosey vs. Donald" that Vince has some fetish for.

It looks and feels almost the same way it did when I said the hell with it in the early 90's and basically convinced myself I was no longer a wrestling fan.


It's all cyclical. Right now, we're back to a full downcycle. It's 1993 thereabouts or so all over again.


It's going to stay this way until, once again, Vince and the WWE are legitimately threatened, pressured, and forced to step it up.

I don't see that happening anytime soon, sadly.

TNA could have been that threat, but they keep beating themselves. ROH, UFC, and stuff like that? They're gaining steam and I can't wish them enough success.

Beyond that, the only distant hope I see is a recharged Paul Heyman showing up somewhere, getting some funding from a big, fat wallet, and being allowed to run things his way.

I still can't believe he ever bowed down to Vince and allowed this "ECW" abortion to ever happen. Talk about a setback!

I hope RVD, Sabu, and all those guys either get fired or get out and they and Paul either hook up with someone else or start something on their own with a big wallet backing them up.

This MTV thing? As much as I loathe MTV, could you imagine if Paul Heyman was given command of that WSX thing with MTV's wallet backing it up? I'd break my own creed and actually have MTV turned on for something like that.

Basically it comes down to: I will watch anything run by an unhindered Paul Heyman because I know he'll do something a thousand times better than just about anything we're seeing now, especially in TNA or WWE.



EDIT: Now I'm seeing talk about Stone Cold Steve Austin returing to TV for the WM build up and to cross promote his new film. Sure, this will mean some laughs and fun segments, but honestly? I want to see him be used for something meaningful otherwise I just don't care that much.
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let's face facts guys....there hasn't been a main event worthy of mania since 20. HOWEVER, what we have come full circle to is the first couple of manias, where the undercard carried the main event.
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Jan 21 2007, 01:51 PM
let's face facts guys....there hasn't been a main event worthy of mania since 20.  HOWEVER, what we have come full circle to is the first couple of manias, where the undercard carried the main event.

And that's fine...if the undercard is actually really solid through and through.

I shouldn't see the likes of a Booker T vs. Boogeyman on a Wrestlemania card, though as one example.

Wrestlemanias are too long now. 4 hours guarantees you tons of needless fluff and trash. You know you're going to see Mae Young dug out for the millionth time , maybe some midgets, and shit matches like the above.

Honestly, they've got enough talent on the three shows' rosters that matches like the above just shouldn't happen, regardless of anything else.
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Guys...it seems like every year we bitch about this....yet every year since XIX mania has delivered. I say we just sit back, and wait and see how this rolls out.

As long as it's not Cena vs Umaga....I think we will be fine.
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I'm with Snow...the show will find a way to deliver. It may not be PPV of the year, but it'll be good. Mania XX had filler and bullshit, but turned out to be a memorable PPV...so did XIX...so did 21 and that turned out to be a good event with some memorable matches..and even last year, which I'm heavily biased toward since I was there, was a good Wrestlemania. Nothing compares to the shitty Manias of 11 and 13...9...15...16...

I can handle a Khali-Hogan...I'm not happy about it, but at least I can be fairly confident that the event as a whole will produce.

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It very well may be a great show from an in ring perspective, my only qualm is the lack of excitement in the build up to the event. WWE can at any time they wish, book a show with a 'stacked' card and have it be above average, but the tell tale sign is, at the end of said event I should in some way care about who won or lost the matches. They should be meaningful.

Last year with Trips/Cena I didn't care who won, one way or another, since you knew basically how Raw was going to be with either man at the helm, which takes out the motivation factor.

This year looking at the potential main events, unless we get a (heel) HBK title run, I see nothing of value to look forward to either. The event itself could be great, but if the aftermath of the event is another year just like the one we've just had, with Superman Cena squashing a bunch goofs, in build up to Mania 24, I'll just continue to shrug my shoulders and wonder I bother tuning in every (other) Monday.

Who knows, it's only January, perhaps my Mania spirit will pick up as the event looms closer.
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Jules
Jan 22 2007, 05:48 AM
Who knows, it's only January, perhaps my Mania spirit will pick up as the event looms closer.

WrestleMania is "just another PPV" now. That's just been reality for the past several years now, on an ever increasing basis with each subsequent year.

Hopefully I'll be feeling the vibe a little bit more as we get closer, but I think it's pretty telling when what has been one of my favorite PPVs, the Royal Rumble, is barely a blip on my radar right now. That's kind of sad, actually.
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^^Q, you yourself are the one that told me to go back and watch it again! You loved last years Mania.
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Jan 22 2007, 05:07 PM
^^Q, you yourself are the one that told me to go back and watch it again! You loved last years Mania.

I thought it was pretty good, but nothing earth shattering.
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I agree. Last years Mania was an above average event at best for WM standards.

You know what I think. If they had saved most of the Summer Slam 05 card for WM, they'd have one pretty kick ass Mania. I understand they couldn't do such a thing due to technical reasons (Batista injured, Chris Jericho quit, etc), but wouldn't that be a bitchin' Wrestlemania?
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If they can do some creative, on the fly booking like they did for armageddon...I think the middle card will save the main event.
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Jan 22 2007, 05:45 PM
If they can do some creative, on the fly booking like they did for armageddon...I think the middle card will save the main event.

It's going to almost certainly have to.
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Hey..we'll see what happens with this year's Mania...

We haven't even started the build-up to it, yet...

This weekend begins the build-up...

I'll reserve judgment until later.

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Ok, now we are starting to see some sparks....A possible RKO match...Orton vs Edge.

Now, let's say that happens, that means we will have a tag tourni to decide the new champs....WOW. One night and now two big possibilities!
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TWGTT need those titles ASAP.

TWGTT vs. Hardy Boyz! There's a match for WM.
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I gotta say this...all the talk about new possible matches is making me excited about wrestlemania. Especially the idea of a Rated RKO match! I am lookin forward to the next 5 weeks of tv shows!
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Jan 23 2007, 12:26 AM
TWGTT need those titles ASAP.

TWGTT vs. Hardy Boyz! There's a match for WM.

Thank you!


So this RKO thing...is someone turning face? God, I hope not.

I don't think it means anything. It's RR time. They played it up by having Orton throw Edge over the rope. Big deal.

They'd be making a critical mistake if they broke these two guys up just as they're getting hot and getting great heel heat. They certainly can't turn Orton face and an Edge face turn?...Meh.

I don't think anything of it. I hope they don't make this mistake.
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Well, they could put them up against each other and let the fans choose who to cheer for...Gasp!...what a concept...then they can go back to being full-fledged heels.

I like Rated-RKO as a tandem, but there's nowhere for them to go from here.

Orton needs his own stable so he can play off people...
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Well they just need to add in Dykstra and this new guy they are talking about and form a yound heel stable
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Jan 23 2007, 01:28 PM
Well, they could put them up against each other and let the fans choose who to cheer for...Gasp!...what a concept...


This is as likely as the brand split ever being abolished outright. ;)



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then they can go back to being full-fledged heels.

I like Rated-RKO as a tandem, but there's nowhere for them to go from here. 

Orton needs his own stable so he can play off people...



I like Snowman's idea for this, but I think Edge is the best leader for the heel group with Orton as the second in command of sorts. I really think it's done a lot for Orton to have someone like Edge to work off of.
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I actually am beginning to like the idea of the Rated-RKO split...

Orton may need it, but Edge does not. Edge showed last night why he is better as a loner. He is held back by Orton. Edge can cut very good feature length promos. He's the best heel in the business...If Orton needs people to play off of, give him people to play off of...but let Edge do his own thing. A show featuring an Orton-led heel stable AND a loner heel Edge is stronger than a show that features them as a unit, in my opinion
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The response last night was pretty clear who the crowd would cheer for if someone had to turn face...when Orton threw Edge over the top rope he got a decent pop from the crowd
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Jan 23 2007, 04:04 PM
The response last night was pretty clear who the crowd would cheer for if someone had to turn face...when Orton threw Edge over the top rope he got a decent pop from the crowd

Dear God, no. Not another Orton face turn.

If they're going to split them up, I think Chad's way is easily the best way to go.

For the record yet again:

"Pre Lita" :rolleyes: Heel Edge was phenomal. When he first made that heel turn and went after Benoit and then feuded with HBK...THAT Edge needs to come back, no matter what.

You want to talk about Edge being held back? Orton's got nothing on that wench. It's really amazing that Edge did as much as he did and stayed over as much as he did with her holding him down the way she was.

Good riddance to that baggage. I can't say enough how huge it was to finally get her away from him.
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