| The Bret Hart Thread | |
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| Stinger | Apr 4 2006, 08:47 AM Post #1 |
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I liked Bret back in the day, but honestly he isn't half as good as he thinks. He's reaching Warrior levels with some of his comments, making himself out to be bigger and better than he ever was. He's not better than Flair in anyway, nor is he better than Michaels. "Hart said the WWE didn't keep their promise about keeping Michaels away. Bret doesn't forgive Michaels for anything. He said it was Michaels who brought him down in a lot of ways." Why should Michaels have stayed away? Just because the Almighty Bret Hart was getting inducted, HBK had every right to watch Sherri and Eddie (and the others get inducted). Bret's a bitch for not wanting him to be there period, and if I was Michaels I would've stayed for the entire thing. Screw Bret's demands. Michaels doesn't have anything to apologize for, he did what his boss told him to do. If Bret was the big professional that he likes to make himself out to be, he should've just did the right thing and lose the title fairly to Michaels. Not bitch and cry about wanting to hand it over to McMahon and say "goodbye". Bullshit, he didn't want to leave the company on a loss. "Landsberg: One punch on any individual; Vince, Earl Hebner or Shawn Michaels. Hart: Shawn for sure. Landsberg: You going to make it count? Hart: You won't hear about him anymore." :roflmao: :ko: :roflmao: "Bret called himself the perfect guy to work with and wishes he could've wrestled himself." Wow. If Bret could run across the beach into his own arms he would. He had some good matches, a few great ones, but damn. Hey Bret, :fu: |
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| Q-BZ | Apr 4 2006, 11:25 AM Post #2 |
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^^ This is the kind of thing, along with "If I see Shawn at the HOF I'm going to bolt" that, sadly, has made me lose respect for Bret. The last time I heard shit like this, I was in junior high school, honestly. 8 years later?! GET OVER IT, BRET! EVERYONE ELSE HAS!! I think it's pathetic that HBK and his wife felt that THEY had to defer and leave the HOF ceremony so the brat would show up and take his HOF award and not have the night ruined. I wish Shawn and his wife would have stayed, come hell or high water, but I guess HBK is getting tired of being blamed for everything wrong in Bret's life, and I'm sure Bret and some stray group of Internet fans would have been all over Shawn's case if Shawn had stayed and "forced" Bret to be true to his word and "bolt." What a bunch of shit. Honestly. At this stage of the game, ANY problems or causes of angst and tension start and end with Bret Hart. No one else. It's SO obvious by now that Bret has made Shawn Micheals and Vince McMahon the two scapegoats to everything that's ever gone wrong and bad in his life for the past 8 years. That's sick, folks. That kind of bitterness is a sickness outright. I certainly wasn't surprised, but I think it was very selfish and classless that Bret didn't stay for WM 22 to salute the crowd with the rest of the HOF inductees. I think it's all said and done for Bret. There's nothing left to see, say, or do. He's done with wrestling. Wrestling is done with him. Thanks for the memories, but I say that with mixed feelings. Things could have, and should have been, better and more meaningful for everyone and I think if you look back over the past few years, at least, you can't help but notice a lot of needless, wasted oppurtunities all over the place. THAT is tragic. Bret was good, but he wasn't THAT good. I think Shawn Micheals is, when you really boil careers down, and I think that's part of what drives Bret nuts. Shawn Micheals is truly great and, frankly, his career transcends Bret's when you boil it down to brass tax. Don't kid yourself, folks. There's jealousy and bitterness there. A blind man could see it. How else do you explain 8 long years of this bullshit? I feel sorry for Bret that he's allowed himself to wallow in this kind of nearly Ultimate Warrior-esque self aggrandizement/self pity/bitterness/ whatever the else you name combination of FANTASY. NOT REALITY. The whole thing really is a tragedy. The biggest aspect of that being: A NEEDLESS tragedy. Let me tell you what a real man would have done and should have done. At the HOF ceremony (if not many years ago quite honestly), in front of God and man, you walk over to Shawn Micheals at the end of your HOF acceptance speech, shake his hand, and walk out. End of story. Nothing emotional. Nothing grandiose. Just a hand shake, a nod, and a walk. Back your words up in that speech with ACTION. Shawn and Vince and everyone else have covered the gambit on this subject over the years. Shawn has done everything short of slitting his damn wrists over this. It's ridiculous. Everyone has admitted everything they ever did wrong, and then some. What more does it take? It's not going to resurrect Owen from the dead. There's just nothing to be gained from 8 years of this shit whatsoever. |
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| Cav | Apr 4 2006, 01:24 PM Post #3 |
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I don't know that he so much blames Vince for EVERYTHING, but the way he's acting towards Shawn Michaels is ridiculous. The statement about HBK "bringing him down in a lot of ways" shows that he blames Michaels for things more than Vince. The thing is, we all know HBK was a discontent individual back then, and the drugs and all of that spilled over into his professional career and his reputation with some of the guys. He's admitted as much. But I don't think we would've seen the last four years of this glorious comeback by him had he NOT made peace with himself and with God. The way he and others describe it, he was in a LOT of turmoil even after he stopped wrestling in WWE in 1998. And based on what we've all seen physically from him over the last few years, I think it's safe to say that he could've come back sooner had something not been holding him back. I truly believe he's paid his penance to God for his actions years ago, and he seems to really be enjoying himself these days. It's obvious things aren't like they used to be from a political standpoint as well; he's been world champion once since he came back, for about a month in late-2002. This is ridiculous. I don't believe Bret should have asked for WWE to physically keep Shawn from the Hall of Fame; all employees are pretty much required to attend that as I understand it. And Bret has no right to bitch about them "not keeping their promise" after the fact when Michaels did as much as getting up and physically leaving the ceremony BEFORE Bret came out! I never had a problem with Bret being confident in his abilities and accomplishments, but the whole thing about wrestling himself is a little too much. When you toot your horn that much, you're crossing the line of confidence into what I'd like to call "Hogan Territory." While Hogan never claimed to be a great wrestler, he's always thought he was the best in the business, period. Bret's comments are pushing it here.... And as far as who's better, I'd rank HBK first, Bret and Flair tied for second and Hogan last. Flair's had a great career, but even in his younger days I didn't enjoy his best matches as much as I enjoyed Bret's in his prime. That's no disrespect to Ric, though. But yeah, I think HBK and Vince have done about all they can. HBK has said in several interviews that he'd like to sit down and talk with Bret, but Bret refuses here. Who's being the bigger man? I'll always be a fan of Bret's career; he was my favorite wrestler from about 1992 through 1996, but he's going overboard here with all of this. And it wouldn't have killed him to attend WrestleMania for the Hall of Fame segment. It was done within the first hour of the show, and he could've left afterwards. |
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| Chad Matthews | Apr 5 2006, 08:17 PM Post #4 |
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You know...it's funny... Did anyone else watch the Bret Hart DVD and start to wonder why you always thought some of his matches were classics? I mean, I love the Owen-Bret match...I love some of the other matches he had, too... But see, here's the thing...Most of the matches I watched on the Bret Hart DVD are bouts I'd rate about *** 1/2 - **** ...which is very good...but to put him on par with HBK, who you'd need about 4 discs with which to fit all his **** + matches...I just don't buy it anymore. I did...but I don't anymore... Shawn Michaels is far better than Bret Hart in my opinion...this being said after having gone back and watched so many of each of their matches over the years... |
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| Snowman | Apr 5 2006, 08:32 PM Post #5 |
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The Snowman Cometh
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See the thing that keeps me from saying that is I truely hated HBK until he came back...I never liked him. Then when he came back, he was less brash...arrogant, I started liking him. Bret Hart throughout his career was a fav of mine....he was just damn good, cool, and as long as I can remember I was a fan of his. But you are right in saying that Shawn is a better performer....hands down. |
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| dawsey28 | Jul 27 2006, 03:54 PM Post #6 |
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Listen to Bret Hart interveiw at either of these links: (Both are the same interveiw) http://www.audiowrestling.com/1_main.htm http://mondaynightmayhem.com/ |
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| Q-BZ | Jul 27 2006, 07:02 PM Post #7 |
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Among other things, he thinks pretty highly of Lesnar it seems... |
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| The Sandman | Jul 28 2006, 05:03 AM Post #8 |
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2007 ACC Champions
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Well there's a strike against him :P |
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| Q-BZ | Jul 28 2006, 08:49 AM Post #9 |
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LOL. Hell, if I'm Lesnar, I'm walking around with my chest puffed out a little bit more once I get wind of something like this. Even though I don't think Lesnar's chest COULD be puffed out more, literally or figuratively. :blink: You get my point. ;) |
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