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QUICK PREVIEW FOR SATURDAY'S IMPACT:

- NWA World Heavyweight Champion Jeff Jarrett, “The Alpha Male” Monty Brown and “The Monster” Abyss vs. “The Phenomenal” AJ Styles, “The Charismatic Enigma” Jeff Hardy and Lance Hoyt in a Six Man Mayhem Main Event!

- SpikeTV's first NWA Tag Team Title Match: The Naturals vs. America's Most Wanted

- The SpikeTV debut of “The Samoan Submission Machine" Samoa Joe vs. "Primetime" Elix Skipper

- Ron "The Truth" Killings vs. Bobby Roode

- Plus, more news on Sunday's "Bound For Glory"


http://www.tnawrestling.com/impact/index.html
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For anyone, including Spike or the die-hard marks to expect a 1.5 was totally unrealistic at this juncture.

An 0.8 is decent for TNA right now. At 11 on a Saturday night, with no television program for the last four months, that's a good rating for them in my opinion.

Evidently that's on the low end of what Spike wanted. This proves to me how foolish Spike TV officials are, as if we all didn't know they were already. To expect TNA to do that first time out is idiotic.

As for the marks, alot of those people are more over-the-top than many marks I've seen. They make way too much out of hardly anything. They're the ones who've been saying that TNA was revolutionary for forever now. They're a solid alternative and a somewhat different product compared to WWE; nothing really revolutional or ground-breaking.

Spike thought that all that hype during the RAW's was automatically going to create a groundswell? They still don't "get" the WWE audience. Vince and others have been talking about how USA gets, and has always gotten the WWE fanbase.

WWE's popularity is what it is because they are what they are. I always like to use Mick Foley's assessment of it from a few years ago in that it's a three-ring circus that has something for everyone. You're not gonna like some stuff, but you'll like something else.

TNA is, like I said, an alternative. That's not a bad thing, but to try to draw their viewers off of the RAW audience isn't effective. Spike thinks just because WWE and TNA are both pro wrestling that they cater to the exact same fans.

They don't.

I hope to see TNA grow in this slot, and it's possible. I'll be tuning in each week barring other pressing plans, and I thought they had a solid start last week. Spike needs to not worry about ratings for a good, long while, unless they plummet to almost nothing, and just let TNA do their thing.




Great post, Lou!

I can provide you three very easy example of why TNA is never going to get much further than where it is right now.


Reason 1: Saturday nights at 11pm is a wretched time slot for any TV show. So much for any easy mass exposure!

Smackdown on Friday Nights at 8 is glorious in contrast to this!

Yes, I realize that, in this day and age of Tivo and DVR, we can cut some corners and some slack but...not that much.


Reason 2: Somehow TNA has decided they an get away with charging WWE's overpriced rates on THEIR PPV's, which even the staunchest TNA mark would have to admit is pushing it, yes?

You bet!



Reason 3, coming right up in this in this Bound For Glory PPV:

NWA World Heavyweight Title Match

Jeff Jarrett vs. Kevin Nash


Jeff Jarret (another POS that's arguably a cancer to pro wrestling) vs. Kevin Nash (DEFINITELY a top 5 cancer ) - this match typifies EVERYTHING that's wrong with TNA, in a nutshell.

Just ridiculous. Welcome back to latter days WCW, folks. That's it, right there.

Nothing's changed since this: http://s14.invisionfree.com/UWF_Forums/ind...c=37&st=0&#last
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QUICK PREVIEW FOR SATURDAY NIGHT'S "iMPACT!" ON SPIKETV:

"The Monster" Abyss vs. Lance Hoyt

"The Phenomenal" AJ Styles and "The Original Playa From The Himalaya" Sonjay Dutt vs. Alex Shelley and Roderick Strong

Team 3D returns with a message for Jeff Jarrett and America's Most Wanted

NWA World Tag Team Champions America's Most Wanted vs. The 3Live Kru in a non-title mach

Appearances by Jeff Jarrett, "The Alpha Male" Monty Brown, Raven, Sabu, Knockouts Gail Kim and Traci and so many more of your favorite TNA stars!

Plus, news on "Genesis" and the two-hour "iMPACT!" special on Thursday, November 3 at 9PM ET!


http://www.tnawrestling.com/impact/index.html

Should be a decent show. I'm a little soured on TNA right now though, after reading the spoilers to the Primetime Special coming up Thursday. Very soured.

Good points made there by both Q and Cav. You're right Q, not much has changed at all.
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According to those close to the situation, Spike TV has asked TNA to secure deals to feature more high-profile pro wrestling names on the weekly Impact episodes. The network believes that TNA’s only real chance at competing with WWE is to bring in the top former WCW and WWE names not currently signed to Vince McMahon's company.

Those within the wrestling industry disagree with Spike’s analysis, feeling that TNA will never beat WWE in the battle of “star power.” Its true hope of competing is to secure itself as the destination for great in-ring wrestling.


(Source: PWTorch.com)


How about having the show on during a decent time slot, say....live Thursday night at 8pm, where you can actually get a real audience and some real exposure?
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Nov 2 2005, 04:57 PM
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According to those close to the situation, Spike TV has asked TNA to secure deals to feature more high-profile pro wrestling names on the weekly Impact episodes. The network believes that TNA’s only real chance at competing with WWE is to bring in the top former WCW and WWE names not currently signed to Vince McMahon's company.

Those within the wrestling industry disagree with Spike’s analysis, feeling that TNA will never beat WWE in the battle of “star power.” Its true hope of competing is to secure itself as the destination for great in-ring wrestling.


(Source: PWTorch.com)


How about having the show on during a decent time slot, say....live Thursday night at 8pm, where you can actually get a real audience and some real exposure?

agreed.

TNA: iMPACT! WRESTLING PINS DOWN FIRST-EVER PRIMETIME SPECIAL - PREMIERES ON SPIKE TV THURSDAY, NOVEMBER 3 AT 9 PM ET/PT

Two-Hour Action & Adrenaline Wrestling Extravaganza Features NWA World Heavyweight Title Re-Match Between Rhino and Jeff Jarrett

National Cable Television World Premiere of Ultimate X Match To Determine Contender for X Division Championship Title

New York, NY, October 31, 2005 – It’s double the adrenaline, double the action and double the TNA: iMPACT! when Total Nonstop Action Wrestling (TNA) appears in its first-ever primetime special for Spike TV. The two-hour TNA: iMPACT! primetime event premieres Thursday, November 3 (9:00 – 11:00 PM, ET/PT), delivering its distinct brand of high-risk, high flying professional wrestling.

The main event will be the NWA World Heavyweight Title rematch between Rhino and Jeff Jarrett. The “Man Beast” Rhino captured the NWA World Heavyweight Championship earlier this month during TNA’s “Bound for Glory” in the biggest night of his career. Rhino won three matches that night, including defeating Jarrett for the belt. Now Jarrett, the self-proclaimed “King of the Mountain” has secured a rematch in this two-hour Spike TV primetime special to try and reclaim TNA’s biggest prize.

The “TNA: iMPACT!” special will also mark the debut of the Ultimate X Match, the most innovative match in professional wrestling. This is the World Premiere on national broadcast cable of the Ultimate X Match. The Ultimate X Match features two crisscrossed steel cables suspended 15 feet above the ring with an “X” hanging over the middle. The first man to navigate to the middle of the cables and dislodge the “X” is the victor. TNA stars Petey Williams, Chris Sabin, and Matt Bentley will take each other on in this high-wire, hard-hitting free-for-all. The winner then becomes the #1 contender to the X Division Title and will face “The Phenomenal” A.J. Styles in a future match.

Additional match-ups in the November 3 special are:

Team 3-D vs. Team Canada (Eric Young & Bobby Rude)
After being humiliated in the ring by Team Canada, Team 3D takes their first steps on their road to revenge against Team Canada

“The Alpha Male” Monty Brown in Action Two-time Super Bowl participant (Buffalo Bills ’93 and New England Patriots ’96) and TNA star Monty Brown continues his quest for the NWA World Heavyweight Title and looks to deliver the ‘POUNCE’ once again to another victim on the Serengeti.

“The Phenomenal” A.J. Styles, Sonjay Dutt and Austin Aries vs. “The Fallen Angel” Christopher Daniels, Samoa Joe and Alex Shelley
An all out aerial assault is expected when these X Division contenders show up to battle it out to a victory.

“The Charismatic Enigma” Jeff Hardy, Sabu and Lance Hoyt vs. The “Diamonds in the Rough”
Three of TNA’s most popular superstars team up to take on Simon Diamond’s rapidly improving team. Will The Diamonds follow up on their recent success or will Hardy, Sabu and Hoyt be too much to handle?

The new wrestling alternative, “TNA: iMPACT!” launched on Spike TV on October 1, 2005 as part of the network’s Slammin’ Saturday Night line-up.

Spike TV, the first network for men, is available in 89 million homes and is a division of MTV Networks. MTV Networks, a division of Viacom International Inc. (NYSE: VIA, VIA.B). For more information about the network, visit SpikeTV.com.

ALSO ON THE TWO-HOUR EXTRAVAGANZA:
The Ultimate X Rematch: Chris Sabin vs. Petey Williams vs. Matt Bentley
Team 3D vs. Team Canada
Jeff Hardy, Lance Hoyt and Sabu vs. The Diamonds In The Rough
"The Alpha Male" Monty Brown in action
Plus, news on the November 13 PPV "Genesis"


This should be good, all but the ending. Same shit, different day.
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From the Observer

TNA rating for last night (PrimeTime Special) is 0.9.

Wow, and they (TNA marks) think they're ready to compete against WWE. That's the same rating they get on Saturday night, and this time they had a good time slot. Slight disappointment for them and Spike I think.
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Nov 4 2005, 09:11 PM
From the Observer

TNA rating for last night (PrimeTime Special) is 0.9.

Wow, and they (TNA marks) think they're ready to compete against WWE. That's the same rating they get on Saturday night, and this time they had a good time slot. Slight disappointment for them and Spike I think.

SLIGHT disappointment?

LOL...
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Nov 5 2005, 12:25 PM
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TNA rating for last night (PrimeTime Special) is 0.9.

Wow, and they (TNA marks) think they're ready to compete against WWE. That's the same rating they get on Saturday night, and this time they had a good time slot. Slight disappointment for them and Spike I think.

SLIGHT disappointment?

LOL...

Haha, slight in a sarcastic tone, sense they were hoping for mid 1.'s.

I watched it, had a two good matches, and it was a lot of wrestling. Very crappy backstage segments, cheap shots at WWE, and was generally a boring show. I almost fell asleep.

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QUICK PREVIEW FOR NEXT SATURDAY'S "iMPACT!" ON SPIKETV
Less than 24 hours before the "Genesis" Pay-Per-View

"iMPACT!" returns to its regular timeslot on Saturday night, November 12, at 11pm ET on SpikeTV - less than 24 hours before Sunday's "Genesis" live and exclusively on Pay-Per-View!

All of your favorite TNA stars will appear - including "The Phenomenal" AJ Styles, "The Alpha Male" Monty Brown, Raven, The 3Live Kru, Sabu, Abyss, Traci and many more!

Matches scheduled for Saturday night's "iMPACT!" include:

MAIN EVENT - SIX MAN TAG TEAM ACTION
NWA World Heavyweight Champion Jeff Jarrett and NWA World Tag Team Champions America's Most Wanted vs. "The Charismatic Enigma" Jeff Hardy, Lance Hoyt and Chris Sabin

FINISHER CHALLENGE - STYLES CLASH VS. CANADIAN DESTROYER
Fans of the high-flying X Division will get a taste of the X Championship match scheduled for "Genesis" as "The Phenomenal" AJ Styles will face Team Canada's Petey Williams less than 24 hours before their big title match on Pay-Per-View! Whoever hits their finisher first wins the bout!

"The Samoan Submission Machine" Samoa Joe vs. Austin Aries

Plus, Kip James in action, updated news and additional matches for "Genesis" and so much more!


I only care to see 2 matches, I'm sure y'all can guess which two. Maybe things will pick up for TNA once Christian arrives, doubtful though. And they were doing so well pre-Spike too.
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Oh wow! Kip James!

(Yes, that's definitely being sarcastic.)
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Yeah, wow indeed. If it wasn't for Joe/Aries and Styles/Williams, I wouldn't even go through the trouble of recording this crap.
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Well according to LOP.com...IMPACT once again pulled in it's lowest rating ever.....0.6. So even with the debut of Christian, it still is not enough to make fans stay in on a saturday night....especially when Jeff Jarrett continues to be champion. A little advice Jeff......RETIRE. You were nothing in the WWE, you were only champion in WCW when everyone had jumped ship, and now that you run a company you can "play" champion all day. But now look, you have a tv deal, new talent, and still....NOTHING. RETIRE JEFF!
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Nov 22 2005, 06:50 PM
Well according to LOP.com...IMPACT once again pulled in it's lowest rating ever.....0.6. So even with the debut of Christian, it still is not enough to make fans stay in on a saturday night....especially when Jeff Jarrett continues to be champion. A little advice Jeff......RETIRE. You were nothing in the WWE, you were only champion in WCW when everyone had jumped ship, and now that you run a company you can "play" champion all day. But now look, you have a tv deal, new talent, and still....NOTHING. RETIRE JEFF!

All I can say is: "This cannot end well."

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Since B.C. isn't a member here, allow me to fill in....

"Jeff Jarrett as champion has no effect whatsoever on TNA's product. Batista sucks. Whoever has the world title isn't important to the product because it's just a prop. Batista sucks. Jarrett doesn't bother me and he really isn't that bad. Monty Brown cuts great promos. Batista sucks."

I think that does it.

Happy Thanksgiving gentlemen!
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LMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!! :lol:

But you forgot this one:

"Bobby Lashley couldn't carry Monte Brown's jock in a suitcase..."
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Nov 24 2005, 01:50 AM
Since B.C. isn't a member here, allow me to fill in....

"Jeff Jarrett as champion has no effect whatsoever on TNA's product.  Batista sucks.  Whoever has the world title isn't important to the product because it's just a prop.  Batista sucks.  Jarrett doesn't bother me and he really isn't that bad.  Monty Brown cuts great promos.  Batista sucks."

I think that does it.

Happy Thanksgiving gentlemen!

And you also forgot: "<Insert anything even remotely related to WWE> - sucks cock."

Gotta have plenty of sucking cock mentions to truly make it an authentic shithead BC-TNA mark post.
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HAHA.

I'm glad I don't have to see that shit constantly anymore.
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TNA is still a better product at the mo, even if BC is an asshole. Which he is.

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I'll disagree with you Boyd simply on the grounds that any product with Jarrett as champion sucks.

WWE's not tearing it up either, but I'd still rather watch their stuff than anything TNA's doing outside of Christian being there.

And even Christian looks like he's gonna be stuck in a feud with that scrub Monty Brown.
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I was engaged in conversation by Brit last night as I was flipping back and forth between Impact and football/Sportscenter. I mentioned something about how something on Impact sucked and he(while admittedly drunk) said that it was still better than WWE, and I"m pretty sure he said "at the mo".

There's the proof boys and girls, Boyd is Brit.

Anyway, TNA blows.
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Nov 27 2005, 04:34 PM
TNA is still a better product at the mo, even if BC is an asshole. Which he is.


I'll just ask you point blank: HOW?! How is TNA a better product than WWE? Please provide as many specific examples as you can. I really need to understand this concept better.

Granted, I'm hardly someone that gives WWE a free pass. Anyone who's spent any amount of time with me on a forum like this knows that all too well. ;)


If you said "SOME things about TNA are better" I'd have no problems agreeing with you. X-Divison comes to mind, but beyond that? Ya got me. Especially with Jarret and all the "last days WCW" politics and personnel running things backstage.


Impact's rating are what? 0.5? If even that?

Apparently most of the known universe doesn't agree with you, either.
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Look, bottomline is TNA's only positive mark right now is the X division. But here is the problem, it is a total spot fest. Yes it's fun to watch, but how long til it gets repetitive? How long til someone really....really gets hurt? Or dies? Bottomline, the X-Division can only carry TNA so far. There main event lineup is pathetic, their champion (Jarrett) is a paper champion and a joke. The only way TNA will bring in more top talent is to prove that others besides Jarrett are running the show, but for the time being it's like Jarrett is playing wrestling and he is playing champion, and no one else can play.
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Ah, to be a lone TNA fan.

First of all, the X-Division is not all spots. You can have good, long, technical matches (AJ Styles vs Christopher Daniels IronMan I) or like you said, spotty (any Ultimate X Match). The thing is, spots are great if done properly, although fall apart if they're not (late ECW matches).

TNA's midcard and tag team divisions are also highly entertaining. Monty Brown is not a 'scrub', Cav. He's a decent big man who can give it his all. You can shun the Pounce (PAAOOUUUNNCE-UUUUHH! Period!) all you want, but Monty is not a one trick horse. His Alpha Bomb is a great move, as is the Fall Away Slam.

Another talented big man is Abyss. He may be a rip-off of Kane and Mankind, but he has evolved from talentless hoss to talented hoss (which is more than I can say for Taker) with tumbtack scars on his arm.

Jarrett is, in my opinion, the only thing wrong with TNA.

*prepares for hurls of insult*
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Dec 1 2005, 06:34 PM
Ah, to be a lone TNA fan.

First of all, the X-Division is not all spots. You can have good, long, technical matches (AJ Styles vs Christopher Daniels IronMan I) or like you said, spotty (any Ultimate X Match). The thing is, spots are great if done properly, although fall apart if they're not (late ECW matches).

TNA's midcard and tag team divisions are also highly entertaining. Monty Brown is not a 'scrub', Cav. He's a decent big man who can give it his all. You can shun the Pounce (PAAOOUUUNNCE-UUUUHH! Period!) all you want, but Monty is not a one trick horse. His Alpha Bomb is a great move, as is the Fall Away Slam.

Another talented big man is Abyss. He may be a rip-off of Kane and Mankind, but he has evolved from talentless hoss to talented hoss (which is more than I can say for Taker) with tumbtack scars on his arm.

Jarrett is, in my opinion, the only thing wrong with TNA.

*prepares for hurls of insult*


Nothing wrong with being a TNA fan, but be a realisitc one, please?

Ypu stil haven't explained to us at all how TNA is a better product than the WWE.

You've elaborated on some points, especially the X-Division, that most of us will agree with you are cool and arguably better than some things in the WWE. I doubt anyone here will disagree with you on that.

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TNA is still a better product at the mo,...


Did I read your words wrong, or are you, in fact, really trying to tell us that TNA AS A WHOLE is better than WWE, because I don't think you can make that case worth a damn.

Spotfest or not, I think the X-Division kicks ass. I'd much rather watch that anytime then Snitsky, Heidirenrecih, Masters, and plenty of other people and matches I can name that I see on WWE every week. I'm with you all the way on that!

But outside of the X, I just can't see anything else in TNA that's equal or better to WWE. I really can't.


In any event, with 0.5 ratings, and sinking...what does it matter?
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