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Peta unhappy with Obama; LOL!
Topic Started: Jun 17 2009, 06:26 PM (477 Views)
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You may have heard about Obama being bugged by a fly. *rim shot*
If you didn't the fly was flying around his head challenging him to a duel. The fly was so gutsy he landed on Obama's fist. Rather than use his signature fist bump he smacked the fly, killing it on contact. Now Peta ( Psychos Evoking Trained Assasins ) has come out to condemn him for killing a fly. Oh, they sent him a gift too.

Peta lost all credibility long ago. But this crosses a line even for Psychos like them.

What do you think of Obama killing a fly?
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I killed a fly once. Does Peta hate me too? T_T

Really, I think they're making a ton of fuss about this tiny, insignificant thing.

OH NO OUR PRESIDENT KILLED A FLY OMG HES A MURDERER OMGOMGOMGOMGOMG!!!!! :Lecture:
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Yes peta hates you. if you ever washed your hands or your body fought off invading bacteria peta is unhappy, because you killed germs. :Lecture:

Peta's thing is making fuss about nothing. They need to learn their is a difference between a dog and an insect and their is a difference between torture and accidental or harm to produce food(from edible animals of course).
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Hahahaha! This is too funny.

I have something to say to you Peta.....A FLY IS NOT AN ANIMAL, IT'S AN INSECT! ....sheeeesh
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Technically an insect is an animal... still insects have shown no proof to be self aware, actually they demonstrate remarkable proof to be nothing more than blind instinct. So therefore a insect doesn't know, neither cares if he is alive. Now dogs have shown self-awareness so they do know they and others are alive and can and will die.

$5 someone takes this into a what constitutes having a soul debate.
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Technically an insect is an animal... still insects have shown no proof to be self aware, actually they demonstrate remarkable proof to be nothing more than blind instinct. So therefore a insect doesn't know, neither cares if he is alive. Now dogs have shown self-awareness so they do know they and others are alive and can and will die.

$5 someone takes this into a what constitutes having a soul debate.
Humans are the only self aware animals, oh no, other animals can have personalities, but they are not on the same scale as humans. Despite how intelligent dogs (or other animals) may seem, in the end instinct drives them. Now some have more domesticated instincts, dogs being at the top of that list, but in the end they do not have control over themselves and their minds. This is one thing that separates humans from all other animals... That and we can go to heaven or hell...

Is that a true story about the fly?

PS: Hah! I didn't mention souls until just now! =P
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$5 someone takes this into a what constitutes having a soul debate.

I so called that!

If no animals are self-aware how do you explain people documenting elephants(and some dogs) recognizing when they see a mirror it is a reflection of themselves? How do you explain them capable of using tools and using reasoning to solve problems. I'm not saying I think animals have a soul anything close to a person, but I find it absurd to believe they don't have some sort of soul.
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$5 someone takes this into a what constitutes having a soul debate.

I so called that!

If no animals are self-aware how do you explain people documenting elephants(and some dogs) recognizing when they see a mirror it is a reflection of themselves? How do you explain them capable of using tools and using reasoning to solve problems. I'm not saying I think animals have a soul anything close to a person, but I find it absurd to believe they don't have some sort of soul.
That is different, that is merely existing, which they are aware of existing, when I say self aware I mean being aware of oneself as more than just something there that needs to live... When an animal sees itself in the mirror, it can recognize something is there, but it doesn't mean that it knows that that is itself... Take my cat for example, he is very intelligent as far as cats go, (he knows what door knobs are and what they do) but he doesn't react at all when put in front of a mirror, no recognition whatsoever... Also a lot of times when a dog sees itself in the mirror, it will bark at the mirror, the same thing goes when they see other dogs on tv. The dog recognizes the image as another dog, not as itself. Why do you think they chase their tails? Though I'm not sure about that one, but I'm going to throw this theory in, because they don't know it as part of themself until they catch, even though they are aware they have tails, they don't recognize the tail they are chasing as their own. Snakes also have been to known to bite their own tails, the same theory I said about the dogs could be applied here. This is another very key thing that separates humans from the rest of God's creation. I have more to say, but I'm going to shut up now because this is way to off topic...

Back to my real question... Is that a true story?
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Oh sorry. Yes, it is true.

I have actually never witnessed a dog chase it's tail or chase a car. I always chocked that up to being part of the false stereotype of dogs, like dogs being unintelligent. I meant some animals actually act as if they realize their reflection is themselves. For example elephants grooming themselves with the aid of a mirror. I also meant my dog acts as if he realizes that mirrors reflect reality. For example if he sees anybody new he gets all hyper and excited, yet if he sees the reflection of someone who he is currently with he doesn't act excited. (Maybe breed of dog has something to do with it. I think I read the breed of dog(poodle) I have is the smartest or one of the smartest breeds.
What about babies? Babies have to learn that mirrors reflect reality. My niece when she was younger had no idea the truth of mirrors. As she has gotten older she has a firmer grasp on what a mirror is, she no longer recognizes herself and others as other people and a baby. She also has been very advanced intellectually. If self awareness ties into having a soul*, wouldn't that mean until recently she didn't have a soul?
Like I said I believe humans are God's ultimate creations having a soul (probably) on an equal par to God. But I believe he would ethically create less sophisticated souls for the animals that morality would dictate he must.

*which ethically it does.
(this is getting off of topic! :XD: )
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